CentOS - May 2005 - Re: CentOS and SL, together? -- attributing statements to me (that I didn't make)

From:  Dag Wieers 
> Bryan, stop generalising and dramatising.
What dramatising?  At some point, several people decide that anything they
dislike was said by me.
Several other people said far more negative comments about CIPE than  myself.
Those comments have now been attributed to me.
I purposely avoided making it about whether or not CIPE should or shouldn't
not be included, just why it wasn't based on what I found.

I recognize 99% of the people on this list didn't do that.
> It's not you against the world.
Who said it wasn't.
But I regularly find that some people, even if only 1%, don't care about
solving problems.
They want to complain, so I start trying to explain why.
Eventually these people don't stop, and others join my position.

And that's when these few people start taking anything said they disagreed
with and attribute it to me.
There's plenty to dislike about me than to make up stuff.  ;->
> Much of the commotion is related to the manner you
>  communicate and interprete what people say,
But it doesn't excuse them for taking what _others_ said, even if it was
defending my position, and saying I did.
So as I said, that's what I hate about these lists and such
meta-discussions.
It totally results in making myself a focal point for things I didn't even
say.
> regardless of some good points you make.
> Your above statement is a perfect example of that.
Agreed.  Sorry, it's just something I despise, because I have had some
illegal things attributed to me on other lists by some, select people.
> BTW I'm not saying this to attack you, but to help you.
Why would I consider this an attack?
Despite what you might think, I don't think the list is against me.
I just know that all it takes is 1% of a list to start attributing all sorts of
things to me.
> I tried being diplomatic in private and in public, but it did not help
much.
I appreciate your continued professionalism.
In fact, I let this thread go for several hours, letting others respond.
Unfortunately, what those other said from a familiar position has now been
attributed to me.
Sorry I got upset about it, but I'm still hearing about things I never said
or did on other lists.

So I didn't want it to stand here.

Bryan J. Smith wrote:
>From:  Dag Wieers 
>  
>
>>Bryan, stop generalising and dramatising.
>>    
>>
>
>What dramatising?  At some point, several people decide that anything they
dislike was said by me.
>Several other people said far more negative comments about CIPE than  myself
>  
>
How about just giving it a rest?  Your comments are often abrasive.  
Fortunately, there is also some good information sprinkled in there for 
people who can overlook the attitiude (or challenged social skills).  
Finding some happy medium where you express your opinion without 
insulting the people you're trying to "help" would be a good
thing.  You
do get bonus points for the profuse usage of underlining in your posts 
though....

Can't we all just get along????

Some of us have subscribed to this list for reasons other than this wordy 
debate. Up until now, I've been impressed at the quality and timeliness of 
responses to issues posed by members relative to CentOS.  Can we continue to 
have a CentOS list with that directive?

Maybe we need more than one.  Is there a specific CentOS list for version 4 vs 
versions 3?

Bryan J. Smith wrote:
> I appreciate your continued professionalism.
> In fact, I let this thread go for several hours, letting others respond.
> Unfortunately, what those other said from a familiar position has now been
attributed to me.
> Sorry I got upset about it, but I'm still hearing about things I never
said or did on other lists.
> 
> So I didn't want it to stand here.
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