asterisk users - Apr 2008 - [VOIP-Users-Conference] Potential subject for Friday - Does the Asterisk community need a 3rd party commercial software ecosystem?

Hi BJ,
Further explanation about the 3rd party ecosystem question this morning

Cory Andrews from VoIP supply was on the Voip-Users conference call last
week.

I asked the question - how much of VoIP Supply revenue is product versus
applications - he said we don't sell any services such as ITSP hosted
Asterisk so I replied that wasn't what I was thinking of and gave the
example of Snap Dialer which is a low cost (I think I paid $20 for it)
application which allows me to dial names from outlook.

I then talked about some of the consulting I did for Salesforce.com and
how they have built an entire ecosystem of third party applications all
built by other people but utilizing the documented API's and application
security etc.

My comments were that although Asterisk should always remain a free open
source application that developers need to eat and pay rent as well.

If there was some common marketplace that developers could sell small -
low cost third party applications to the Asterisk community that Digium
had some type of overview/management control over who listed etc that
this would deliver a stream of revenue that would encourage further
application development.

The question I then posed to the group was if anyone knew how Digium
managed the sale and licensing of the G729 codes.

And if this was an open published standard that it could be used as the
basis for the Asterisk ecosystem license model.

Now I know it's not perfect and can be hacked but everything can be
hacked. The idea is to build apps cheap enough that it's not worth the
effort of hacking.

I know there were discussions in Mexuar about how we could sell (read
license) a single channel of the Mexuar Corraleta application rather
than the entire server license for $2000.

Earlier this week I sent an original email to Digium and told Kevin was
responsible for the G729 licenses so I was hoping that this Friday we
could get Kevin and possibly the developers of Snap Dialer to talk about
their current license models and how they implemented payment systems
and also maybe the developer of FOP to discuss if this was available to
him and he was able to sell a 100 licenses or something like that a
month would this provide an income stream to support further development
etc.

Does this make sense?
Does anyone have any comments or would you like to be involved with
Fridays call?




Regards,

Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
dean at cognation.net
+1-212-203-4357 Ph
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 April 2008 7:53 AM
> To: 'VOIP-Users-Conference at googlegroups.com'
> Cc: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion';
Ast-biz
(asterisk-
> biz at lists.digium.com)
> Subject: RE: [VOIP-Users-Conference] Subject or Guest for Friday?
> 
> We can talk about the third party application idea Cory and I
discussed last week -
> sorry still haven't posted to the list yet as I've had a client in
town for the last few day
> but should be able to do this today.
> If Fop, Snap Dialer, Mexuar and or any other third party developer who
has written
> commercial asterisk applications (preferably small low value eg $20
etc) is interested
> in jumping on a call with me this Friday I can put together a series
of questions to run
> the call with.
> Maybe we can get Kevin from Digium to explain on the call how the g729
license
> registration process works and turn the call into a working
discussion.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dean Collins
> Cognation Pty Ltd
> dean at cognation.net
> +1-212-203-4357 Ph
> +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: VOIP-Users-Conference at googlegroups.com [mailto:VOIP-Users-
> > Conference at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of randulo
> > Sent: Wednesday, 9 April 2008 7:27 AM
> > To: VOIP Users Conference
> > Subject: [VOIP-Users-Conference] Subject or Guest for Friday?
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone have a guest or subject up their sleeve for this week? I
> > have neither and I'm getting ready to move house so I don't
have a
lot
> > of time to pursue. Any chance of getting a phone mfr or service
> > provider on? Anyone out there want to take a crack at this? Present
> > your product or service or open source contributions.
> >
> > Incidentally, TringMe apparently has an API available and are making
> > it very easy to build AIR and Flash (or Flex) apps. This sounds very
> > interesting for creating branded clients of various kinds. If
you're
a
> > programmer in that world, I'd check it out. AIR looks to me like
it
> > has legs because of its cross-platform nature. I don't know how it
> > works with linux or FreeBSD if at all. Does anyone here know?
> >
> > If no ideas are forthcoming, we can talk about my personal (VoIP)
> > issues: we're moving and will have two offices, as now. The
difference
> > is, we can not leave the power on at the old office, so we'll be
using
> > a combination of hosted pbx and asterisk, probably with the AA50 at
> > our new home.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any suggestions on any of this :)
> >
> > /r
> >
> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
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try to be there
> live
> > when it happens.
> >
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You need to talk about this with digium sales, i suggest you give  Jim 
Webster a call.
Without going into details, other license agreements are possible. 
(Several companies including mine can distribute software as a module 
similar to how g729 is being sold - we do that for our t.30/t.38 fax 
modules, lumenvox does it for voice recognition,... ).

OT, where can i find the best info on this salesforce API ? Do you see 
any possibilities to integrate our zoiper softphone with salesforce ? 
(contact me off list for that)

Cheers,

Zoa

Dean Collins wrote:
> Hi BJ,
> Further explanation about the 3rd party ecosystem question this morning
>
> Cory Andrews from VoIP supply was on the Voip-Users conference call last
> week.
>
> I asked the question - how much of VoIP Supply revenue is product versus
> applications - he said we don't sell any services such as ITSP hosted
> Asterisk so I replied that wasn't what I was thinking of and gave the
> example of Snap Dialer which is a low cost (I think I paid $20 for it)
> application which allows me to dial names from outlook.
>
> I then talked about some of the consulting I did for Salesforce.com and
> how they have built an entire ecosystem of third party applications all
> built by other people but utilizing the documented API's and
application
> security etc.
>
> My comments were that although Asterisk should always remain a free open
> source application that developers need to eat and pay rent as well.
>
> If there was some common marketplace that developers could sell small -
> low cost third party applications to the Asterisk community that Digium
> had some type of overview/management control over who listed etc that
> this would deliver a stream of revenue that would encourage further
> application development.
>
> The question I then posed to the group was if anyone knew how Digium
> managed the sale and licensing of the G729 codes.
>
> And if this was an open published standard that it could be used as the
> basis for the Asterisk ecosystem license model.
>
> Now I know it's not perfect and can be hacked but everything can be
> hacked. The idea is to build apps cheap enough that it's not worth the
> effort of hacking.
>
> I know there were discussions in Mexuar about how we could sell (read
> license) a single channel of the Mexuar Corraleta application rather
> than the entire server license for $2000.
>
> Earlier this week I sent an original email to Digium and told Kevin was
> responsible for the G729 licenses so I was hoping that this Friday we
> could get Kevin and possibly the developers of Snap Dialer to talk about
> their current license models and how they implemented payment systems
> and also maybe the developer of FOP to discuss if this was available to
> him and he was able to sell a 100 licenses or something like that a
> month would this provide an income stream to support further development
> etc.
>
> Does this make sense?
> Does anyone have any comments or would you like to be involved with
> Fridays call?
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dean Collins
> Cognation Pty Ltd
> dean at cognation.net
> +1-212-203-4357 Ph
> +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dean Collins
>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 April 2008 7:53 AM
>> To: 'VOIP-Users-Conference at googlegroups.com'
>> Cc: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion';
Ast-biz
>>     
> (asterisk-
>   
>> biz at lists.digium.com)
>> Subject: RE: [VOIP-Users-Conference] Subject or Guest for Friday?
>>
>> We can talk about the third party application idea Cory and I
>>     
> discussed last week -
>   
>> sorry still haven't posted to the list yet as I've had a client
in
>>     
> town for the last few day
>   
>> but should be able to do this today.
>> If Fop, Snap Dialer, Mexuar and or any other third party developer who
>>     
> has written
>   
>> commercial asterisk applications (preferably small low value eg $20
>>     
> etc) is interested
>   
>> in jumping on a call with me this Friday I can put together a series
>>     
> of questions to run
>   
>> the call with.
>> Maybe we can get Kevin from Digium to explain on the call how the g729
>>     
> license
>   
>> registration process works and turn the call into a working
>>     
> discussion.
>   
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dean Collins
>> Cognation Pty Ltd
>> dean at cognation.net
>> +1-212-203-4357 Ph
>> +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
>>
>>
>>     
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: VOIP-Users-Conference at googlegroups.com [mailto:VOIP-Users-
>>> Conference at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of randulo
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 April 2008 7:27 AM
>>> To: VOIP Users Conference
>>> Subject: [VOIP-Users-Conference] Subject or Guest for Friday?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a guest or subject up their sleeve for this week?
I
>>> have neither and I'm getting ready to move house so I don't
have a
>>>       
> lot
>   
>>> of time to pursue. Any chance of getting a phone mfr or service
>>> provider on? Anyone out there want to take a crack at this? Present
>>> your product or service or open source contributions.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, TringMe apparently has an API available and are
making
>>> it very easy to build AIR and Flash (or Flex) apps. This sounds
very
>>> interesting for creating branded clients of various kinds. If
you're
>>>       
> a
>   
>>> programmer in that world, I'd check it out. AIR looks to me
like it
>>> has legs because of its cross-platform nature. I don't know how
it
>>> works with linux or FreeBSD if at all. Does anyone here know?
>>>
>>> If no ideas are forthcoming, we can talk about my personal (VoIP)
>>> issues: we're moving and will have two offices, as now. The
>>>       
> difference
>   
>>> is, we can not leave the power on at the old office, so we'll
be
>>>       
> using
>   
>>> a combination of hosted pbx and asterisk, probably with the AA50 at
>>> our new home.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions on any of this :)
>>>
>>> /r
>>>
>>> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~
>>> Your participation in the conference is always appreciated! Please
>>>       
> try to be there
>   
>> live
>>     
>>> when it happens.
>>>
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>>       
> Groups
>   
>> "Asterisk
>>     
>>> Users Conference" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to
>>>       
> VOIP-Users-Conference at googlegroups.com
>   
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
VOIP-Users-Conference-
>>> unsubscribe at googlegroups.com
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>>>       
> http://groups.google.com/group/VOIP-Users-
>   
>>> Conference?hl=en
>>> -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
>>>       
>
>
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