> The archives need to be fully indexed.Can you say Google? site:lists.digium.com query goes here> > -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of steve > szmidt > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:46 PM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread > > On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote: >> If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk >> admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just >> might be a great list. >> As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for >> assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. > > Lists with this number of new members have a repetiveness of the same > questions which people sometimes get tired of answering. Which is too > bad. > > However, even though it seemingly does not directly aid asterisk users > it does so indirectly. People on this list grow into becoming lemonade > stand operators and maybe even bigger service providers. > > It is often done because people realize that "Wow, I can do it too!". > Unfortunately it's not something that lives in the world of the > Internet, but enters the heavily controlled area of phones. An area > droght with difficulties for any newcomer. > > The thread is showing and giving reason to be a bit better prepared when > entering into this particular service industry. As such it is of great > importance to those wise enough to take note. For the rest it's just > noise. > > One could probably argue effectively for an Asterisk-Basic list. Or an > Asterisk-Advanced user list. Something that makes it easier to get > started without being overwhelmed by 10,000-15,000 users posts. A place > that frequently posted links to the beginner pages on the wiki. > > -- > > Steve Szmidt > > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
Michael Di Martino
2005-Jun-27 13:55 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
I agree with that fact the same questions get posted, but that problem is compounded by the fact the archives are not really searchable. If the were as lease some users would search. The archives need to be fully indexed. -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of steve szmidt Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:46 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote:> If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk > admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just > might be a great list. > As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for > assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered.Lists with this number of new members have a repetiveness of the same questions which people sometimes get tired of answering. Which is too bad. However, even though it seemingly does not directly aid asterisk users it does so indirectly. People on this list grow into becoming lemonade stand operators and maybe even bigger service providers. It is often done because people realize that "Wow, I can do it too!". Unfortunately it's not something that lives in the world of the Internet, but enters the heavily controlled area of phones. An area droght with difficulties for any newcomer. The thread is showing and giving reason to be a bit better prepared when entering into this particular service industry. As such it is of great importance to those wise enough to take note. For the rest it's just noise. One could probably argue effectively for an Asterisk-Basic list. Or an Asterisk-Advanced user list. Something that makes it easier to get started without being overwhelmed by 10,000-15,000 users posts. A place that frequently posted links to the beginner pages on the wiki. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
The archive is very searchable it just is a pain sometimes... To search by relevance... Go to google.com. Enter: site:lists.digium.com <some search value> You get the archive back with relevance as the main sorter. I have also seen some places that back up the list and sort by date and allow searching. (looking for these again) So it may be labor intensive sometimes but there is certainly the ability to search. W -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Michael Di Martino Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:55 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread I agree with that fact the same questions get posted, but that problem is compounded by the fact the archives are not really searchable. If the were as lease some users would search. The archives need to be fully indexed. -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of steve szmidt Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:46 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote:> If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk > admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just > might be a great list. > As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for > assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered.Lists with this number of new members have a repetiveness of the same questions which people sometimes get tired of answering. Which is too bad. However, even though it seemingly does not directly aid asterisk users it does so indirectly. People on this list grow into becoming lemonade stand operators and maybe even bigger service providers. It is often done because people realize that "Wow, I can do it too!". Unfortunately it's not something that lives in the world of the Internet, but enters the heavily controlled area of phones. An area droght with difficulties for any newcomer. The thread is showing and giving reason to be a bit better prepared when entering into this particular service industry. As such it is of great importance to those wise enough to take note. For the rest it's just noise. One could probably argue effectively for an Asterisk-Basic list. Or an Asterisk-Advanced user list. Something that makes it easier to get started without being overwhelmed by 10,000-15,000 users posts. A place that frequently posted links to the beginner pages on the wiki. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
> -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of > Michael Di Martino > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:55 PM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread > > I agree with that fact the same questions get posted, but > that problem is compounded by the fact the archives are not > really searchable. If the were as lease some users would search. > The archives need to be fully indexed. >In a Google search box: site:lists.digium.com "What you are searching for"
Michael Di Martino
2005-Jun-28 06:44 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread
-----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Kohlsmith Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 5:26 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt - Why this thread On Monday 27 June 2005 15:46, steve szmidt wrote:> One could probably argue effectively for an Asterisk-Basic list. Or an> Asterisk-Advanced user list. Something that makes it easier to get > started without being overwhelmed by 10,000-15,000 users posts. A > place that frequently posted links to the beginner pages on the wiki.We've effectively argued it to death many many times over the course of the last few years. Check the archives -- it's been thought up and re-thought up and dismissed each and every time. Basic issue: nobody will want to sit on the newbie list because they'll end up answering all the same questions over and over since nobody really seems to want to read for themselves. It's the same argument that comes around for forums, except that last time I think we actually witnessed a man lose his mind on the mailing list. That was entertaining. :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ Their would not be so many newbie questions if their was 1. A fully indexed searchable archive list and 2. Good solid documentation.