So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt ------------------------------------------- There is a Federal Court Order in place and has been since Friday early a.m. ALL Suppliers are now under a Court Order that prevents them from terminating any and all services to LiveVoip LLC. If they take such any action they will be in direct violation of a U.S. Federal Court Order. If you have any questions you may contact our lawyer - Customers and Creditors are now under a U.S. Court Ordered Stay NOT to have any contact with LiveVoip LLC Management. LiveVoip LLC has Ceased Operations and Filed for Bankruptcy. This action was taken after the company was unable to resolve issues with carriers over billing, mass credit card fraud, suppliers not delivering on what they had been paid for among other things. A Stay Order is in effect at this time and all questions must be directed to our company lawyer. Creditors will be hearing from the Courts in due course. LiveVoip LLC is no Closed. United States Federal Bankruptcy Court District Montana Case: 05-62057 LiveVoip LLC Company Lawyer: Robert Kampfer Esq. 406.727.954 The LiveVoip network is offline. An Update will be issued on our main website. The trouble ticket server is also having its own problems. Please watch our main for site for complete details. LiveVoip LLC -----------------------------------
well, i can't say i'm surprised. any company whose approach to customers is "you are all scum trying to cheat us, don't ask questions, and we'll help you when we feel like it" isn't going to be around for a long time. On 6/26/05, Andres <andres@telesip.net> wrote:> So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt > > > ------------------------------------------- > > There is a Federal Court Order in place and has been since Friday early a.m. ALL Suppliers are now under a Court Order that prevents them from terminating any and all services to LiveVoip LLC. If they take such any action they will be in direct > violation of a U.S. Federal Court Order. If you have any questions you may contact our lawyer - Customers and Creditors are now under a U.S. Court Ordered Stay NOT to have any contact with LiveVoip LLC Management. > > LiveVoip LLC has Ceased Operations and Filed for Bankruptcy. This action was taken after the company was unable to resolve issues with carriers over billing, mass credit card fraud, suppliers not delivering on what they had been paid for among other things. > A Stay Order is in effect at this time and all questions must be directed to our company lawyer. Creditors will be hearing from the Courts in due course. > > LiveVoip LLC is no Closed. > > United States Federal Bankruptcy Court District Montana > Case: 05-62057 LiveVoip LLC > > Company Lawyer: Robert Kampfer Esq. 406.727.954 > The LiveVoip network is offline. An Update will be issued on our main website. The trouble ticket server is also having its own problems. Please watch our main for site for complete details. > > > LiveVoip LLC > ----------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >
trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com
2005-Jun-26 13:21 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 11:32 -0700, Brian Litzinger wrote:> Anytime a small new organization asks for up front payment, I wonder > about a locally famous case. > > Back in the days of beepers, a local company was selling beeper > service for about 30% less than anyone in exchange for a relatively > good portion of payment up front. Can't remember if it was > 3 months or 1 year. May have been both. > > They collected up the payments and paid the money out in huge salaries. > > Then they went bankrupt. It is apparently difficult for bankruptcy > courts to recover salary payments. > > It is apparently a well known scam executed in a number of different > ways.I recall a case against someone in New York City where a lady was doing that with travel, selling cruises below her cost, etc. Presales upto 6 months ahead went to pay for tickets today. She paid herself $100k for her services. They indicted her on fraud becuase it is illegal to sell stuff below cost, knowing that you cant possibly make good on what you sell. Perhaps the same could be true of livevoip for anyone that lost any big amount of money for prepayment on services they couldnt render. And certainly for payments where the 'writing was on the wall', ie they knew they were going to file bankrupcy yet accepted payments for months they knew they wouldnt be in business. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20050626/cf0557ad/attachment.pgp
For those that paid by credit card, you can call your bank and get any amount they owe you refunded. You are not a creditor as far as the bankruptcy is concerned, the acquring bank is. Chris
> -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of > trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:21 PM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt > > On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 11:32 -0700, Brian Litzinger wrote: > > Anytime a small new organization asks for up front payment, > I wonder > > about a locally famous case. > > > > Back in the days of beepers, a local company was selling beeper > > service for about 30% less than anyone in exchange for a relatively > > good portion of payment up front. Can't remember if it was > > 3 months or 1 year. May have been both. > > > > They collected up the payments and paid the money out in > huge salaries. > > > > Then they went bankrupt. It is apparently difficult for bankruptcy > > courts to recover salary payments. > > > > It is apparently a well known scam executed in a number of > different > > ways. > > I recall a case against someone in New York City where a lady > was doing that with travel, selling cruises below her cost, > etc. Presales upto 6 months ahead went to pay for tickets > today. She paid herself $100k for her services. They > indicted her on fraud becuase it is illegal to sell stuff > below cost, knowing that you cant possibly make good on what > you sell. > > Perhaps the same could be true of livevoip for anyone that > lost any big amount of money for prepayment on services they > couldnt render. And certainly for payments where the > 'writing was on the wall', ie they knew they were going to > file bankrupcy yet accepted payments for months they knew > they wouldnt be in business. > > > -- > Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel > UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 > US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 > FreeWorldDialup: 635378If I recall recently LiveVoIP touted it 'merger' with a large corporation (daddy BigBucks). I also remember that it was posted that it was not in the best interest of LiveVoip to move forward on the merger. In hind sight this is probably the result of the due-diligence done on the larger corporation's side. Citing non-disclosure and other standard agreements entered during transactions such as these it does not surprise me that we (the customers) were not told about the writing on the wall.. Alex
Andres wrote:> So it looks like Livevoip went BankruptSh1t. Looks like the Daily Asterisk News will need a new host. So, unless anyone can donate space for a custom php and mysql based site, it will be hosted in either New Zealand or Italy. Offers? -- Cheers, Matt Riddell _______________________________________________ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss)
snacktime wrote:>For those that paid by credit card, you can call your bank and get any >amount they owe you refunded. You are not a creditor as far as the >bankruptcy is concerned, the acquring bank is. > >Chris >_______________________________________________ > > > >Hi Chris, I am curious to know how this would work in this case. Lets assume someone purchased $100 worth of LiveVoip service using his Bank of America Visa card (and did not get a chance to use the service). So now LiveVoip is bankrupt and lets assume the owners fled with the money they made so the bank accounts are cleaned out. If the person now calls Bank of America to dispute the charge, then who loses the $100 in this case? Visa, Bank of America, or the consumer? -- Andres
trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com
2005-Jun-26 16:57 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 23:29 +0200, Matt Riddell wrote:> Andres wrote: > > So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt > > Sh1t. > > Looks like the Daily Asterisk News will need a new host. > > So, unless anyone can donate space for a custom php and mysql based > site, it will be hosted in either New Zealand or Italy. > > Offers? >sourceforge "asterisk daily news documentation project"? They have some bandwidth, file space, php and mysql are reported to work... Dunno if this will fit your goals though. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20050626/783b04f4/attachment.pgp
Hey pooch are u ever going to put up the howto's from the Atlanta asterisk conference? You only said you would. Don't be like LiveVOIP and follow thru on your word. -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Brian Capouch Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Yair Hakak wrote:> well, i can't say i'm surprised. any company whose approach to > customers is "you are all scum trying to cheat us, don't ask > questions, and we'll help you when we feel like it" isn't going to be > around for a long time. >I agree totally. After seeing some of the issues people were having with their customer support (or better, "flying off the handle at their customers") I decided to stay clear of them. Survival of the fittest . . . B. _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
As predicted.... In keeping with LiveVoip company policy, even this letter seems antagonistic towards customers and creditors. You are under a STAY!! Don't talk to us! Wow, I guess the merger with the trailer park DSL company just did not help at all. And after Joop spent so much time shining me the good lies... Well, it could not have happened to a nicer company. W -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Andres Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 12:39 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt ------------------------------------------- There is a Federal Court Order in place and has been since Friday early a.m. ALL Suppliers are now under a Court Order that prevents them from terminating any and all services to LiveVoip LLC. If they take such any action they will be in direct violation of a U.S. Federal Court Order. If you have any questions you may contact our lawyer - Customers and Creditors are now under a U.S. Court Ordered Stay NOT to have any contact with LiveVoip LLC Management. LiveVoip LLC has Ceased Operations and Filed for Bankruptcy. This action was taken after the company was unable to resolve issues with carriers over billing, mass credit card fraud, suppliers not delivering on what they had been paid for among other things. A Stay Order is in effect at this time and all questions must be directed to our company lawyer. Creditors will be hearing from the Courts in due course. LiveVoip LLC is no Closed. United States Federal Bankruptcy Court District Montana Case: 05-62057 LiveVoip LLC Company Lawyer: Robert Kampfer Esq. 406.727.954 The LiveVoip network is offline. An Update will be issued on our main website. The trouble ticket server is also having its own problems. Please watch our main for site for complete details. LiveVoip LLC ----------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
You just got a tax write off because your money is certainly locked up in chapter 11. W -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Bashir Ullah - www.Lamsre.Com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:02 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt I found a large IAX supported provider beside Voipjet. Now ...............? Bashir I still i have good balance with them, I dont know what will be happend. and my canadian DID???? . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Capouch" <brianc@palaver.net> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt> Yair Hakak wrote: > > well, i can't say i'm surprised. any company whose approach to > > customers is "you are all scum trying to cheat us, don't ask > > questions, and we'll help you when we feel like it" isn't going tobe> > around for a long time. > > > > I agree totally. After seeing some of the issues people were having > with their customer support (or better, "flying off the handle attheir> customers") I decided to stay clear of them. > > Survival of the fittest . . . > > B. > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >_______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Having read the TOS from LiveVoip many times, I can almost assure you it was written by the LiveVoip staff and not a lawyer. Due to that, I cannot imagine them slithering out of this entirely. W -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Marie Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:44 PM To: snacktime; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt It depends on how the actual purchase was worded whether or not you should be able to get a chargeback. I didn't buy from them, so I don't know. With some clever legal wording, it is possible to sell something that the end user considers "prepay/future use" (like calling card minutes), but as far as the credit card company etc. are concerned it was a final sale over and done with like a normal purchase. This is not to say that the issuing bank is going to give one and they will just as likely process a chargeback as normal (and later reverse it as long as someone is still at the other end shooting back the boilerplate rebuttal). I'd suggest people wait as long as they can before filing a chargeback -- merchants only get so many days (10 on my account) to respond before it's automatically settled in the customer's favor. If you wait as long as you can, there's a better chance someone won't be sitting there replying. I used to work for a shady company that sold calling cards online/phone by credit card. It was a big thing to make sure that the sales material/call-scripts were worded to make sure that once the customer took posession of the pin code the transaction was "completed" in terms of the credit card company. They often "lost accounts" or "discontinued programs" that customers still had minutes in, and they were able to escape from chargebacks by sending the fine print to their bank as their rebuttal to the customer's complaint. I didn't stay long after finding this out, the pay wasn't worth having a company like that on my CV. If you read up on the rumors around Dr. Phil, supposedly it's quite common (and in some isolated areas still legal) to do a similar thing with health clubs. Sell one year membership contracts, factor the contract to someone else, close. The customer is still responsible for completing their payments to the factor. The customer can't chargeback payments they already made via credit card because the way the contract is worded it doesn't matter if the health club is still open or not. With lawyers a dime a dozen these days, I can't imagine that LiveVOIP didn't make sure to put every protection they could in their terms of service or what have you. Most people don't even read them, or just don't care what it says. I know nothing about LiveVOIP, so I'm not trying to suggest that they were indeed shady -- just letting people know that chargeback rules aren't a fix-all. _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Actually, if you look at my posts from a month or two ago, you can see that they not only had to have known, they were publicly stating that they were expanding. Joop personally told me that they were going to offer Vonage type of service and that they were opening service in the UK. He actually was exceedingly verbose and never gave hint to the fact that they were in trouble (not that he would). This should be no surprise to anyone. I just hope they burn for it... W -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:46 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 20:49 -0600, Rich Adamson wrote:> > With lawyers a dime a dozen these days, I can't imagine thatLiveVOIP> > didn't make sure to put every protection they could in their termsof> > service or what have you. Most people don't even read them, or just > > don't care what it says. I know nothing about LiveVOIP, so I'm not > > trying to suggest that they were indeed shady -- just letting people > > know that chargeback rules aren't a fix-all. > > Since that was an LLC operation and unless management pierced the corp > vail, the LLC has far more liabilities then it does assets so the LLC > is bankrupt. There is a legal pecking order as to who receivespayments> after the assets are disposed. As user's of the service, we're on the > bottom of that list and will probably take at least a year or two > to reach closure. >LLC/Corporations do not protect officers of the company if the officers, through official job duties, commit crimes. Taking money for services you know you cant provide. Its prima facia if you sell below cost and cant prove that you thought you have VC money or something else to offset that 'promotional' period and then file bankrupcy. This is to prevent someone from basically doing a ponzi scheme, where people late in the game are paying for the people today, eventually the bubble bursts and the late comers are left holding the bag. While this is specific to US law, livevoip in this case was a US based company so that applies. This may not apply to other companies doing basically the same thing in other jurisdictions. And I dont know that they were doing this, but I am certain they didnt decide to file bankrupcy and file the same day, there had to be a period when they started to file but kept accepting new customers knowing those customers werent going to get what they paid for. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378
Well, I guess stating at the bottom of the list is a bad idea sometimes. Sorry, Marcel, I just find this a relevant topic since so much money and time have been wasted trying to use this company's service. Will drop it shortly though. Cheers, W -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Marcel van Kaam, Fonetica Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:46 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Hi All, I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankrupt etc.... So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that really matter. If you want to discuss LiveVoip, get all together in a restaurant, eat, drink and nag and wine about it as much as you want. But do it there and not here. Marcel van Kaam Fonetica Teleservices _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Well, as someone who doesn't use threads... I think I can say it is not the end of the world. I find scanning my Asterisk mail folder to be pretty easy.... W -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matt Riddell Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:47 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:> On Monday 27 June 2005 02:45, Marcel van Kaam, Fonetica wrote: > >>I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankruptetc....>>So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that really >>matter. >> >>If you want to discuss LiveVoip, get all together in a restaurant,eat,>>drink and nag and wine about it as much as you want. But do it thereand>>not here. > > > I've never understood this -- people are having a decent discussion.There's> no flaming, there's no bashing. Sure it's offtopic but it'll diewithin a> few more days... Why snuff it? I am positive we're all notgeographically> close to discuss this in a restaurant, and setting up an entirely newlist is> silly. > > So I ask you -- what should people do?Heh, go easy on the guy, he probably hasn't got threads and has to read every topic just to get to the topics he likes. :D X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 -- Cheers, Matt Riddell _______________________________________________ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
> -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Riddell [mailto:matt.riddell@sineapps.com]> Heh, go easy on the guy, he probably hasn't got threads and > has to read > every topic just to get to the topics he likes. > > :D > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626Right click on the message list heading, Customize Current View..., Group By..., Conversation.
If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. If you would like to see how a good list is run join the Qmail users list and observe. -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:43 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 07:04 -0400, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:> On Monday 27 June 2005 02:45, Marcel van Kaam, Fonetica wrote: > > I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankruptetc....> > So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that > > really matter. > > > > If you want to discuss LiveVoip, get all together in a restaurant, > > eat, drink and nag and wine about it as much as you want. But do it > > there and not here. > > I've never understood this -- people are having a decent discussion. > There's no flaming, there's no bashing. Sure it's offtopic but it'll > die within a few more days... Why snuff it? I am positive we're all > not geographically close to discuss this in a restaurant, and setting > up an entirely new list is silly. > > So I ask you -- what should people do? > > -A.I think he was upset that people were talking about the Daily Asterisk News website, and people were offering to donate webspace to keep it up and stuff and all of that happened under the "LiveVoip is Bankrupt" subject line. But then I could be wrong, maybe he did not actually read anything but the subject itself and decided to attack people to force this very conversation, about him doing exactly what he is claiming others are doing. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378
It is any way to use this card with Asterisk, and if yes, HOW to ? Thanks.
On Monday 27 June 2005 14:24, David Brodbeck wrote:> > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 > > Right click on the message list heading, Customize Current View..., Group > By..., Conversation.I just ran over and did that on a system with OfficeXP ... good lord, Microsoft even screwed up threading... How can anyone read that? -A.
On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote:> If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk > admins as it does on > trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. > As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for > assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered.Do you have some proof of this? I find the list rather helpful on the whole, with interjections of other (sometimes very OT) subjects inbetween. -A.
Feel free to unsubscribe at your earliest convenience. I for one disagree with you completely. The only questions that occasionally go unanswered are those that were just asked, are written twenty times on the Wiki, or are intrinsicly stupid. And even those questions are often answered with redirection to the resource that documents them. People on this list are helpful and genuinely interested in assisting their fellow users. Feel free to hang at the Qmail list of that is what brings you joy. That would have to be better than listening to you deride this list for no reason other than you don't like today's topic. If this list needed the likes of you or the other netcop, then you opinion might matter. Fortunately, it does not. Cheers, Wiley -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Michael Di Martino Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 11:31 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. If you would like to see how a good list is run join the Qmail users list and observe. -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:43 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 07:04 -0400, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:> On Monday 27 June 2005 02:45, Marcel van Kaam, Fonetica wrote: > > I think by now everybody knows that LiveVoip went down, bankruptetc....> > So please stop nagging about it and move on to some topics that > > really matter. > > > > If you want to discuss LiveVoip, get all together in a restaurant, > > eat, drink and nag and wine about it as much as you want. But do it > > there and not here. > > I've never understood this -- people are having a decent discussion. > There's no flaming, there's no bashing. Sure it's offtopic but it'll > die within a few more days... Why snuff it? I am positive we're all > not geographically close to discuss this in a restaurant, and setting > up an entirely new list is silly. > > So I ask you -- what should people do? > > -A.I think he was upset that people were talking about the Daily Asterisk News website, and people were offering to donate webspace to keep it up and stuff and all of that happened under the "LiveVoip is Bankrupt" subject line. But then I could be wrong, maybe he did not actually read anything but the subject itself and decided to attack people to force this very conversation, about him doing exactly what he is claiming others are doing. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Eric Wieling aka ManxPower
2005-Jun-27 12:54 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] Dialogic D/300pci-E1 card
Florin Mandache wrote:> It is any way to use this card with Asterisk, and if yes, HOW to ?According to this: http://asterisk.org/index.php?menu=hardware no. -- Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain
trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com
2005-Jun-27 13:02 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt
On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 14:31 -0400, Michael Di Martino wrote:> If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk > admins as it does on > trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might be a great list. > As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for > assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. > > If you would like to see how a good list is run join the Qmail users > list and observe. >The bankrupt thread is mostly now about finiding hosting for Daily Asterisk News, which I feel is helping asterisk people, and people whining about this thread. The whining seemed to be from people reading the subject line and not even bothering to notice that the majority of the posts under this subject were about an asterisk specific thing when I saw that. This isnt slashdot we should actually read more than the subjects before commenting. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20050627/b8feac6b/attachment.pgp
-----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:03 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 14:31 -0400, Michael Di Martino wrote:> If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk > admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just > might be a great list. > As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for > assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. > > If you would like to see how a good list is run join the Qmail users > list and observe. >The bankrupt thread is mostly now about finiding hosting for Daily Asterisk News, which I feel is helping asterisk people, and people whining about this thread. The whining seemed to be from people reading the subject line and not even bothering to notice that the majority of the posts under this subject were about an asterisk specific thing when I saw that. This isnt slashdot we should actually read more than the subjects before commenting. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 ****************************************************8 Not really. This thread does not belong on this list. It is off topic and a waste of time for admins dealing w/ real system issues. Like I said sign up for the qmail list and you will see how a real user list operates.
-----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Kohlsmith Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:27 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote:> If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk > admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just > might be a great list. > As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for > assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered.Do you have some proof of this? I find the list rather helpful on the whole, with interjections of other (sometimes very OT) subjects inbetween. -A. _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users #################################################################### This list has potential but it is not strong enough dealing w/ asterisk system issues.
As is on that page : D/300JCT-1E1 E1 + 30 voice so is compatible ??!?? -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wieling aka ManxPower Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:55 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Dialogic D/300pci-E1 card Florin Mandache wrote:> It is any way to use this card with Asterisk, and if yes, HOW to ?According to this: http://asterisk.org/index.php?menu=hardware no. -- Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:27:22 -0400 Andrew Kohlsmith <akohlsmith-asterisk@benshaw.com> wrote:> On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote: >> If this list spent at least half the time on helping >>other asterisk >> admins as it does on >> trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might >>be a great list. >> As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most >>request for >> assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of >>unanswered. > > Do you have some proof of this? I find the list rather >helpful on the whole, > with interjections of other (sometimes very OT) subjects >inbetween. > > -A.I think he is just frustrated because only two people have replied to his question about his IAXy device not working after having repeated his same question a dozen times in new threads.. Robert
Mr. DiMartino, how about you go to the qmail list and stay there so they can listen to your whining and not us. This is a VERY helpful list. Yes there is the occasional question that goes unanswered, but this is rare. Stop trolling, go away, and grow up. Sometimes is is as important to know what not to do, as it is to know what to do. John M On Monday June 27 2005 4:11 pm, Michael Di Martino wrote:> -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of trixter > http://www.0xdecafbad.com > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:03 PM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt > > On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 14:31 -0400, Michael Di Martino wrote: > > If this list spent at least half the time on helping other asterisk > > admins as it does on trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just > > might be a great list. > > As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most request for > > assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of unanswered. > > > > If you would like to see how a good list is run join the Qmail users > > list and observe. > > The bankrupt thread is mostly now about finiding hosting for Daily > Asterisk News, which I feel is helping asterisk people, and people > whining about this thread. > > The whining seemed to be from people reading the subject line and not > even bothering to notice that the majority of the posts under this > subject were about an asterisk specific thing when I saw that. This > isnt slashdot we should actually read more than the subjects before > commenting.
"Not really. This thread does not belong on this list. It is off topic and a waste of time for admins dealing w/ real system issues. Like I said sign up for the qmail list and you will see how a real user list operates." LMAO - OK, so those same admins dealing with "real" system issues are spending lots of time perusing their userlist postings? Must be some serious issues, eh? Seriously. Save the criticism for your colleagues at Qmail. There is no point in throwing out criticism to this list. It is what it is. We will undoubtedly waste more time going back and forth over this argument than is worth it. And the irony of that should really hit home. I am glad that you like your other list and feel it serves your purposes. This list serves the purposes of many despite the fact that from time to time it may drop into a rabbit hole. It is an excellent resource even if it is not organized in a manner that meets your personal requirements. It is what it is. Accept it and move on. Cheers, Wiley
Well, we could aspire to be a great list in his eyes you know. (LOL) Maybe we can repost the contents of the archive on a regular basis. We can even repost all the info of the Wiki so people who don't take the time look things up can find their answers. At the very least it would save a fella from having to repost something a dozen times. If two people responded I am sure that some viable resolution was given. Besides, it is not like anyone owes us each a response. This isn't paid support. You get what you get and we should all be happy to get what we do. I am thankful for this list personally.... Cheers, Wiley -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Robert Webb Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:16 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com; akohlsmith-asterisk@benshaw.com Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:27:22 -0400 Andrew Kohlsmith <akohlsmith-asterisk@benshaw.com> wrote:> On Monday 27 June 2005 14:31, Michael Di Martino wrote: >> If this list spent at least half the time on helping >>other asterisk >> admins as it does on >> trivial things like LiveVoips bankruptcy it just might >>be a great list. >> As it stands now this list is kind of useless. Most >>request for >> assistance with asterisk problems go unresolved of >>unanswered. > > Do you have some proof of this? I find the list rather >helpful on the whole, > with interjections of other (sometimes very OT) subjects >inbetween. > > -A.I think he is just frustrated because only two people have replied to his question about his IAXy device not working after having repeated his same question a dozen times in new threads.. Robert _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
I just might know of someone who could host it in the US at no charge - who ever manages the site, e-mail me off list if interested. Scott --------- Original Message -------- From: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt Date: 28/06/05 01:53> > Matt - catch me on IRC (it's file). > > - Joshua Colp. > > -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matt Riddell > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:30 PM > To: andres@telesip.net; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial > Discussion > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt > > Andres wrote: > > So it looks like Livevoip went Bankrupt > > Sh1t. > > Looks like the Daily Asterisk News will need a new host. > > So, unless anyone can donate space for a custom php and mysql based site,it> will be hosted in either New Zealand or Italy. > > Offers? > > -- > Cheers, > > Matt Riddell > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) > http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > >________________________________________________ Message sent using InterBel.net Webmail 2.7.2 at www.interbel.net