asterisk users - Oct 2003 - Absolute Minimum Installation Packages

I'm trying to get the total Linux/* installation size as small as possible.
I'm wondering if anyone has looked at the installed packages list from the
Redhat installation [rpm -qa] and has parsed out all packages not needed for
* to run.  I follow the custom install guide from Andy Powell but the
installation yields 948+ Meg with 340 installed packages.  I'm sure most of
those packages can be eliminated.

 

If the installation can be reduced to below, say 600 Meg, then there's an
opportunity to harden * into a KNOPPIX Customization.

 

BTW, has anyone already tried to produce a KNOPPIX * Customization?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

JR

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why start this with redhat? I'd say it's the worse linux dist to attempt
to make a small footprint. Try gentoo. If you want asterisk with knoppix, then
start with that or debian (of which it's based)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JR Richardson 
  To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:31 PM
  Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Absolute Minimum Installation Packages


  I'm trying to get the total Linux/* installation size as small as
possible.  I'm wondering if anyone has looked at the installed packages list
from the Redhat installation [rpm -qa] and has parsed out all packages not
needed for * to run.  I follow the custom install guide from Andy Powell but the
installation yields 948+ Meg with 340 installed packages.  I'm sure most of
those packages can be eliminated.



  If the installation can be reduced to below, say 600 Meg, then there's an
opportunity to harden * into a KNOPPIX Customization.



  BTW, has anyone already tried to produce a KNOPPIX * Customization?



  Thanks in advance.



  JR
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JR Richardson wrote:
> I?m trying to get the total Linux/* installation size as small as 
> possible.  I?m wondering if anyone has looked at the installed packages 
> list from the Redhat installation [rpm ?qa] and has parsed out all 
> packages not needed for * to run.  I follow the custom install guide 
> from Andy Powell but the installation yields 948+ Meg with 340 installed 
> packages.  I?m sure most of those packages can be eliminated.
 >
> If the installation can be reduced to below, say 600 Meg, then there?s 
> an opportunity to harden * into a KNOPPIX Customization.
> 
> BTW, has anyone already tried to produce a KNOPPIX * Customization?
Wierd that I had actually started to just think about this earlier 
today... :)

Unfortunately this is going to be nothing that I can do to help at this 
point.. I am really quite budgeted for time, and I can barely work on 
the other things I have somewhat commited to.

I'll be so glad when I'm back in school, and hopefully have some more 
time to work on this kind of stuff.

Keep me posted, I have a couple of idea's that this could be useful for 
(if anything, just what the minimum packages are for a RH install)

Thanks!

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I've got an old notebook 486DX2 with 8MB RAM and a _very_ small
drive.  Linux runs fine on it but no-way can I even run the
RedHat install program.  The 486 make a good fire wall.
It take little power and little space, has a builtin battery UPS
and screen. And even a 486 can handle a 1Mb ADSL line.
Butit can't run RedHat.

A minimal Linux system will fit on a self contained
floppy disk and run in about 4MB of RAM  On top of this,
to run Asterisk you wil need Asterisk, it's drivers,
any *.so files that "ldd" finds plus
any "extras".  The extras can be quite large like
Festival amd mp3123 and PostgreSQL and a web server and
so on.

I'd recommand any of the floppy disk based distributions
over RedHat if you have very minimal hardware.
I've used "tomsrtbt" www.toms.net/rb/  for years now.
It is easy to modify
too as there is a file you can edit which controls
what gets put on the disk.  With tomsrtbt the idea
is that you build a bootable image using a large
RedHat or Debiam system and then move that disk over
to the target hardware.  Normally this is a floppy
but you can make it an LS120 or small IDE with some
editing of his scripts.

I use tomsrtbtas a hardware diagnostic floppy for
even MS Windows based systems.  It runs out of ram
without a hard drive and I can look around in /proc
to see what's up with the hardware and it runs on
systems that can't boot Windows, or Redhat.
So go to www.toms.net/rb/ and try it out.

You could also boot with off the self tomsrtbt then ftp
or nfs transfer Asterisk

but you may fid other floppy based Linuxs you like.
but Redhat just will not run on the real low end

"slackware" might work too.  I ued to run it back
when my biggest PC was a 386 back when Linux kernal was
still 0.x but have not used slackware Linux in many years.

Today I used RedHat, Tomsrtbt and Solaris

(BTW I'd recommend Solaris for that guy with 50,000
users who asked here earlier as it is hard to find
a Intel box with more then 4 GB RAM or 4 CPUs)



--- JR Richardson <jr.richardson@cox.net> wrote:
> I'm trying to get the total Linux/* installation size as small as
> possible.
> I'm wondering if anyone has looked at the installed packages list
> from the
> Redhat installation [rpm -qa] and has parsed out all packages not
> needed for
> * to run.  I follow the custom install guide from Andy Powell but the
> installation yields 948+ Meg with 340 installed packages.  I'm sure
> most of
> those packages can be eliminated.
> 
>  
> 
> If the installation can be reduced to below, say 600 Meg, then
> there's an
> opportunity to harden * into a KNOPPIX Customization.
> 
>  
> 
> BTW, has anyone already tried to produce a KNOPPIX * Customization?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
>  
> 
> JR
> 
> 

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Hi,

948MB????  I would say that's an excellent reason not to use Redhat if one
need one.  I would put an estimated guess that a minimal Debian + Asterisk
would take about 60 MB or so (and Knoppix is losely based on Debian) using a
standard installation stripped of everything unnecessary (including
development libraries, compilers etc.).

Another alternative is to do what I do for my "embedded asterisk"
project -
compile everything from scratch.  Using that approach I am currently at 5.5
MB for the root filesystem, 600 kB for the kernel and around 400 kB for
initrd - in other words - less than 7 MB all in all (meaning it will fit
into a small flash).

-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com]On Behalf Of JR Richardson
Sent: 31 October 2003 09:32
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Absolute Minimum Installation Packages


I'm trying to get the total Linux/* installation size as small as possible.
I'm wondering if anyone has looked at the installed packages list from the
Redhat installation [rpm -qa] and has parsed out all packages not needed for
* to run.  I follow the custom install guide from Andy Powell but the
installation yields 948+ Meg with 340 installed packages.  I'm sure most of
those packages can be eliminated.

If the installation can be reduced to below, say 600 Meg, then there's an
opportunity to harden * into a KNOPPIX Customization.

BTW, has anyone already tried to produce a KNOPPIX * Customization?

Thanks in advance.

JR

There are good instructions for building a minimal RedHat 7.2
(http://www.muine.org/~hoang/minired.html) or 7.3
(http://www.muine.org/~hoang/minired73.html) system.  

I have not followed these instructions, but I have followed the same
author's documentation for Postfix configuration.  He claims the setup uses
261MB of disk space.

Randy Johnson

-----Original Message-----
From: JR Richardson [mailto:jr.richardson@cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:32 PM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Absolute Minimum Installation Packages


I'm trying to get the total Linux/* installation size as small as possible.
I'm wondering if anyone has looked at the installed packages list from the
Redhat installation [rpm -qa] and has parsed out all packages not needed for
* to run.  I follow the custom install guide from Andy Powell but the
installation yields 948+ Meg with 340 installed packages.  I'm sure most of
those packages can be eliminated.

If the installation can be reduced to below, say 600 Meg, then there's an
opportunity to harden * into a KNOPPIX Customization.

BTW, has anyone already tried to produce a KNOPPIX * Customization?

Thanks in advance.

JR
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Apologies for breaking the thread - the link to my mail server is down,
so am replying from the Pipermail web archives.

I'm using a cut-down Debian-based distro called 'pebble' for my
firewall
machine using a 128MB CompactFlash card (it would just about fit on
64...)

The various system files have been wiggled around a bit so that the
rootfs can be mounted read-only, thus reducing wear and tear on the CF
card.

The distro is intended to run Wireless access points, and you'll need to
weed out the svchost processes and the wireless "NoCat" stuff in
inittab, but it's nice, and keeps the apt system so you can install new
packages as/if needed...

http://www.nycwireless.net/pebble/

Cheers,
Gavin.

Hi.

Il ven, 2003-10-31 alle 02:31, JR Richardson ha scritto:
> I?m trying to get the total Linux/* installation size as small as
> possible.  I?m wondering if anyone has looked at the installed
> packages list from the Redhat installation [rpm ?qa] and has parsed
> out all packages not needed for * to run.  I follow the custom install
> guide from Andy Powell but the installation yields 948+ Meg with 340
> installed packages.  I?m sure most of those packages can be
> eliminated.
I have a very little RedHat 9.0 installation that's about 504 MB,
with asterisk+sounds+some voicemail installed. Also devel
tools installed. Also apache+mysql+db, since we have many things
of asterisk moved onto a mysql db...
stripping away devel tools, I can manage a to have 450Mb RedHat 9.0.
surely big, but very small to be a RH ;)


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com 
> [mailto:asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of 
> David Gomillion
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:25 AM
> To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Absolute Minimum Installation Packages
> 
> 
[...]
> 
> What are the benefits to a really tiny installation, aside 
> from possible appliance applications?  Moreover, won't you 
> still need a sizable hard disk for voice prompts, voicemail 
> messages, sound file to direct people to dial the correct 
> extension, etc?
> 
Maybe this isn't the point in this thread...but it's nice to know what
you absolutely need so that you don't have other "junk" on the
box.
Less to secure....less to update.  Fewer variables in general.  And then
you know that EVERYTHING on your box _IS_ a variable for *, rather than
wondering if you're going to break something with a security update or
if * doesn't use it at all.

Daryl

Is there a way or an "Open Source" product that allows you to record
and/or monitor calls in progress?


Todd Wallace
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