Chris Earle (CBL)
2003-Jul-18 07:02 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
Arrrrgh I hate trying to sift through all these messages and keep track of the various threads going on ......... Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups readable by news readers....... only problem being that this list requires list membership before posting............<Shrug> C h r i s E a r l e System Solutions Specialist
Steven Critchfield
2003-Jul-18 07:16 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 09:02, Chris Earle (CBL) wrote:> Arrrrgh > > I hate trying to sift through all these messages and keep track of the > various threads going on ......... > > Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't > already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups > readable by news readers.......What you need is to get a decent mail reader. Those of us that complain regularly about people changing subjects in the middle of a thread already know the benefits of threaded email reading. Why bother with a newsgroup because you choose to stay on windows and use outbreak express> only problem being that this list requires list membership before > posting............<Shrug>And this is a good thing. Otherwise spammers only need the list address to spam us all, and you get this also on newsgroups. Right now the only risk is the fact that the email addresses we use here are archived publicly in an easy to harvest method. I think that is the most risk I wish to undertake. -- Steven Critchfield <critch@basesys.com>
> Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If youhaven't> already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned intonewsgroups> readable by news readers.......If you want threads, get a MUA that is capable of threading. Most are. The In-Reply-To header makes mail threading on lists trivial (and you can easily spot the people that hit reply and change the subject without actually starting a new thread...) Maybe you just have not yet found where to turn it on.> only problem being that this list requires list membership before > posting............<Shrug>Which is why the mailing list will probably continue to be used... John
"IF" there was a consideration for a change, I prefer: phpbb it's open source and easy to use. www.phpbb.com you can still get emails from the posts. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Chris Earle (CBL)" <cearle@cbltech.ca> Reply-To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:02:22 -0400>Arrrrgh > >I hate trying to sift through all these messages and keep track of the >various threads going on ......... > >Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't >already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups >readable by news readers....... > > >only problem being that this list requires list membership before >posting............<Shrug> > > >C h r i s E a r l e >System Solutions Specialist > >_______________________________________________ >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >-- James Taylor jltaylor@metrotel.net 903-793-1953 --
So, other than Outlook for Win and Xfmail for Linux any recommendations for those lost souls on the list? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "John Laur" <johnl@blurbco.com> Reply-To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:17:57 -0500>> Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you >haven't >> already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into >newsgroups >> readable by news readers....... > >If you want threads, get a MUA that is capable of threading. Most are. >The In-Reply-To header makes mail threading on lists trivial (and you >can easily spot the people that hit reply and change the subject without >actually starting a new thread...) Maybe you just have not yet found >where to turn it on. > >> only problem being that this list requires list membership before >> posting............<Shrug> > >Which is why the mailing list will probably continue to be used... > >John > >_______________________________________________ >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >-- James Taylor jltaylor@metrotel.net 903-793-1953 --
Matthew Hardeman
2003-Jul-18 10:11 UTC
[Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format
I feel your pain! I tend to prefer html based forums... They keep threads well organized, cause less overhead on the server, conserve bandwidth, etc... They also give visual priority to new threads and active threads... On the other hand, to deal with forums, you actually have to go check them... Matt PaperSoft -----Original Message----- From: asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Chris Earle (CBL) Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:02 AM To: Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format Arrrrgh I hate trying to sift through all these messages and keep track of the various threads going on ......... Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you haven't already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into newsgroups readable by news readers....... only problem being that this list requires list membership before posting............<Shrug> C h r i s E a r l e System Solutions Specialist _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
I thought this list thing died this morning. I'm a guest on this list so I'll take it any way the powers deliver it. Although I do prefer phpbb. And, I suppose that anyone who wants to host a phpbb could. I don't have the time right now. It's enough just to keep up with these emails. Bandwidth? Steven, you must be Digium's Comptroller (or own stock in the company). This is your second post about their bandwidth conservation in two days. Bandwidth is cheap. They wouldn't maintain this list if it didn't generate hardware sales (unless this whole thing is just a hobby). ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Matthew Hardeman" <mhast@papersoft.com> Reply-To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:33:04 -0500>Hey there! > >Actually, yes, I do take 80 mg. Adderall XR daily, but I hardly think >that's relevant to this thread or for that matter this mailing list. > >Windows on the desktop is *still* a reality... There are some things I >just have to have it for... As such, here at my desk at work, I have >this laptop running Windows... Shame on me. I do have quite a few >linux systems, though. > >Like many others here, I understand the thread-view features of outlook >and other mail readers... I consider them all a nasty kludge. > >Fancy formatting and graphics are optional. Phpbb is configurable at >the user level with a number of "skins", including some very simple >nearly plain-text types that work quite well with text based web >browsers. > >As for the bandwidth issue, servers migrating from a mailing list format >to a forum format generally experience reductions in used bandwidth as >not every user will constantly receive all messages. Users visit the >site on a timeframe convenient to them, and read only the posts that >interest them, by thread. As they are able to quickly reject or ignore >threads that are irrelevant to them, they spend their time and bandwidth >reading messages that matter to them. > >I didn't mention earlier that most forum software these days has a >subscriber to forum feature that allows users to receive emails of the >messages from the forums automatically, if they prefer. > >Frankly, I don't think any of the assertions in my prior email were >terribly absurd, but each is entitled to his own opinion. > >Matt Hardeman >PaperSoft > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com >[mailto:asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steven >Critchfield >Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:20 PM >To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com >Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format > >On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 12:11, Matthew Hardeman wrote: >> I feel your pain! >> >> I tend to prefer html based forums... They keep threads well >organized, >> cause less overhead on the server, conserve bandwidth, etc... > >I understand you are a crack addict by your use of Outlook, and your >opinion that fancy formating and graphics could be less bandwidth >intensive than plain text. The only way you use less bandwidth is if you >have fewer users reading. A mailing list broadcast the message to all >users, then you can read it over and over again without incurring more >transport bandwidth with the original server. > >> They also give visual priority to new threads and active threads... > >What do you think bold on unread is? Get a threaded mail reader, and >enjoy. > >> On the other hand, to deal with forums, you actually have to go check >> them... > >Yep, reason not to use them on top of the above absurdities you try and >put forth. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com >> [mailto:asterisk-users-admin@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Chris >Earle >> (CBL) >> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:02 AM >> To: Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >> Subject: [Asterisk-Users] OT: list format vs newsgroup format >> >> Arrrrgh >> >> I hate trying to sift through all these messages and keep track of the >> various threads going on ......... >> >> Who else on here prefers the newsgroup/threaded approach? If you >> haven't >> already, check out news.gmane.org for mailing lists turned into >> newsgroups >> readable by news readers....... >> >> >> only problem being that this list requires list membership before >> posting............<Shrug> >> >> >> C h r i s E a r l e >> System Solutions Specialist >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Asterisk-Users mailing list >> Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Asterisk-Users mailing list >> Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >-- >Steven Critchfield <critch@basesys.com> > >_______________________________________________ >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > >_______________________________________________ >Asterisk-Users mailing list >Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >-- James Taylor jltaylor@metrotel.net 903-793-1953 --