Hi, I''ve been prying my way around form helpers and I need to do something very similar to date_select. I was thinking I might be able tailor it to suit my purposes and then came upon InstanceTag.new with a call to_date_select_tag at the end. I can''t find any mention of these anywhere else - can anyone give me any pointers as to what these two things do? thanks dorian -- I do things for love or money -- +44 (0)7941 219 501 -- aim:oulalipo | yahoo:tachekent