Not sure if this is old news or not, but it would appear that both the Ruby Cookbook and a Rails book are now available for purchase at O''Reilly Rough Cuts (something akin to PragProg''s beta book program): http://rubyurl.com/nHz http://my.safaribooksonline.com/?mode=roughcuts&srchtext=ROUGHCUTS I haven''t tried them yet, but it definitely seems worth checking out. -Pawel
On 1/23/06, Pawel Szymczykowski <makenai@gmail.com> wrote:> Not sure if this is old news or not, but it would appear that both the > Ruby Cookbook and a Rails book are now available for purchase at > O''Reilly Rough Cuts (something akin to PragProg''s beta book program): > > http://rubyurl.com/nHz > > http://my.safaribooksonline.com/?mode=roughcuts&srchtext=ROUGHCUTS > > I haven''t tried them yet, but it definitely seems worth checking out.I just noticed these today. However, the table of contents doesn''t really sell it for me. I can''t see what I''d be getting that isn''t already in the Agile book. As a long time supporter of O''Reilly (full Safari subscription, 100+ paper books, etc.), I''m looking forward to the new Manning Rails book a lot more. http://www.manning.com/books/black -- James
Just purchased the Ruby Cookbook from the rough cuts program, and so far pretty dissapointed with it - based purely on the quality of O''reillys process so far. The pdf has no table of contents, no appendix, ugly formatting, no internal hyperlinks (that I''ve found at least), and wastes nearly 1/5 of each page with copyright garbage on the top and bottom of each page. Hopefully the content will be worth the aggravation of navigating through this mess. Guess i''ve been spoiled by the pragmatic beta books. --Eldon ----- Original Message ---- From: Pawel Szymczykowski <makenai@gmail.com> To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org; rails@lists.rubyonrails.org Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:26:24 PM Subject: [Rails] Ruby at O''Reilly Rough Cuts Not sure if this is old news or not, but it would appear that both the Ruby Cookbook and a Rails book are now available for purchase at O''Reilly Rough Cuts (something akin to PragProg''s beta book program): http://rubyurl.com/nHz http://my.safaribooksonline.com/?mode=roughcuts&srchtext=ROUGHCUTS I haven''t tried them yet, but it definitely seems worth checking out. -Pawel _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060123/6990e1bc/attachment-0001.html
I just bought the Rails book and on first glance it''s the same. Not much new that hasn''t already been done before in the Agile book, it''s a 56 page draft. Guess I didn''t read the fine print, I figured for $15 you''d get something that sucks less, relatively speaking. On 1/23/06, Bama Test <bamatest@yahoo.com> wrote:> > Just purchased the Ruby Cookbook from the rough cuts program, and so far > pretty dissapointed with it - based purely on the quality of O''reillys > process so far. > > The pdf has no table of contents, no appendix, ugly formatting, no > internal hyperlinks (that I''ve found at least), and wastes nearly 1/5 of > each page with copyright garbage on the top and bottom of each page. > > Hopefully the content will be worth the aggravation of navigating through > this mess. > > Guess i''ve been spoiled by the pragmatic beta books. > > --Eldon > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Pawel Szymczykowski <makenai@gmail.com> > To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org; rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:26:24 PM > Subject: [Rails] Ruby at O''Reilly Rough Cuts > > Not sure if this is old news or not, but it would appear that both the > Ruby Cookbook and a Rails book are now available for purchase at > O''Reilly Rough Cuts (something akin to PragProg''s beta book program): > > http://rubyurl.com/nHz > > http://my.safaribooksonline.com/?mode=roughcuts&srchtext=ROUGHCUTS > > I haven''t tried them yet, but it definitely seems worth checking out. > > -Pawel > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/pipermail/rails/attachments/20060124/1e1b5986/attachment.html
Yeah that kind of sucks. Other publishers are trying to jump on the beta book bandwagon that the Pragmatic Programmers have done so nicely. They won''t release a book as a beta pdf until it is 50-60% complete or more. So you wont get the buyers remorse when you get a beta book from the prag''s. Cheers- Ezra On Jan 23, 2006, at 10:07 PM, Ted Korolchuk wrote:> I just bought the Rails book and on first glance it''s the same. > Not much new that hasn''t already been done before in the Agile > book, it''s a 56 page draft. Guess I didn''t read the fine print, I > figured for $15 you''d get something that sucks less, relatively > speaking. > > On 1/23/06, Bama Test <bamatest@yahoo.com> wrote: > Just purchased the Ruby Cookbook from the rough cuts program, and > so far pretty dissapointed with it - based purely on the quality of > O''reillys process so far. > > The pdf has no table of contents, no appendix, ugly formatting, no > internal hyperlinks (that I''ve found at least), and wastes nearly > 1/5 of each page with copyright garbage on the top and bottom of > each page. > > Hopefully the content will be worth the aggravation of navigating > through this mess. > > Guess i''ve been spoiled by the pragmatic beta books. > > --Eldon > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Pawel Szymczykowski < makenai@gmail.com> > To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org; rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:26:24 PM > Subject: [Rails] Ruby at O''Reilly Rough Cuts > > Not sure if this is old news or not, but it would appear that both the > Ruby Cookbook and a Rails book are now available for purchase at > O''Reilly Rough Cuts (something akin to PragProg''s beta book program): > > http://rubyurl.com/nHz > > http://my.safaribooksonline.com/?mode=roughcuts&srchtext=ROUGHCUTS > > I haven''t tried them yet, but it definitely seems worth checking out. > > -Pawel > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails-Ezra Zygmuntowicz Yakima Herald-Republic WebMaster http://yakimaherald.com 509-577-7732 ezra@yakima-herald.com
I can echo most of the disappointment here. I find the text unreadable (too small, too light) and the huge header and footer (which repeat at least 2 or 3 pieces of information) are on Every. Damn. Page. Also, as I mentioned on the Rails blog, there''s no table of contents in the PDF. Please. Don''t _ever_ publish a 544 page _technical_ manual without a table of contents. The upside is that it can really only get better. But, I agree, the PragProgs are the kings of this. On 1/24/06, Ezra Zygmuntowicz <ezra@yakima-herald.com> wrote:> Yeah that kind of sucks. Other publishers are trying to jump on the > beta book bandwagon that the Pragmatic Programmers have done so > nicely. They won''t release a book as a beta pdf until it is 50-60% > complete or more. So you wont get the buyers remorse when you get a > beta book from the prag''s. > > Cheers- > Ezra > > On Jan 23, 2006, at 10:07 PM, Ted Korolchuk wrote: > > > I just bought the Rails book and on first glance it''s the same. > > Not much new that hasn''t already been done before in the Agile > > book, it''s a 56 page draft. Guess I didn''t read the fine print, I > > figured for $15 you''d get something that sucks less, relatively > > speaking. > > > > On 1/23/06, Bama Test <bamatest@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Just purchased the Ruby Cookbook from the rough cuts program, and > > so far pretty dissapointed with it - based purely on the quality of > > O''reillys process so far. > > > > The pdf has no table of contents, no appendix, ugly formatting, no > > internal hyperlinks (that I''ve found at least), and wastes nearly > > 1/5 of each page with copyright garbage on the top and bottom of > > each page. > > > > Hopefully the content will be worth the aggravation of navigating > > through this mess. > > > > Guess i''ve been spoiled by the pragmatic beta books. > > > > --Eldon > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Pawel Szymczykowski < makenai@gmail.com> > > To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org; rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:26:24 PM > > Subject: [Rails] Ruby at O''Reilly Rough Cuts > > > > Not sure if this is old news or not, but it would appear that both the > > Ruby Cookbook and a Rails book are now available for purchase at > > O''Reilly Rough Cuts (something akin to PragProg''s beta book program): > > > > http://rubyurl.com/nHz > > > > http://my.safaribooksonline.com/?mode=roughcuts&srchtext=ROUGHCUTS > > > > I haven''t tried them yet, but it definitely seems worth checking out. > > > > -Pawel > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > -Ezra Zygmuntowicz > Yakima Herald-Republic > WebMaster > http://yakimaherald.com > 509-577-7732 > ezra@yakima-herald.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
Dave Thomas blogged about this (in general) last week: Imitation is the Saddest Form of Flattery http://blogs.pragprog.com/cgi-bin/pragdave.cgi/Random/Imitation.rdoc At 1/24/2006 04:50 PM, you wrote:>I can echo most of the disappointment here. I find the text >unreadable (too small, too light) and the huge header and footer >(which repeat at least 2 or 3 pieces of information) are on Every. >Damn. Page. > >Also, as I mentioned on the Rails blog, there''s no table of contents >in the PDF. Please. Don''t _ever_ publish a 544 page _technical_ >manual without a table of contents. > >The upside is that it can really only get better. But, I agree, the >PragProgs are the kings of this. > >On 1/24/06, Ezra Zygmuntowicz <ezra@yakima-herald.com> wrote: > > Yeah that kind of sucks. Other publishers are trying to jump on the > > beta book bandwagon that the Pragmatic Programmers have done so > > nicely. They won''t release a book as a beta pdf until it is 50-60% > > complete or more. So you wont get the buyers remorse when you get a > > beta book from the prag''s. > > > > Cheers- > > Ezra > > -Ezra Zygmuntowicz > > Yakima Herald-Republic > > WebMaster > > http://yakimaherald.com > > 509-577-7732 > > ezra@yakima-herald.com > > > > On Jan 23, 2006, at 10:07 PM, Ted Korolchuk wrote: > > > > > I just bought the Rails book and on first glance it''s the same. > > > Not much new that hasn''t already been done before in the Agile > > > book, it''s a 56 page draft. Guess I didn''t read the fine print, I > > > figured for $15 you''d get something that sucks less, relatively > > > speaking. > > > > > > On 1/23/06, Bama Test <bamatest@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Just purchased the Ruby Cookbook from the rough cuts program, and > > > so far pretty dissapointed with it - based purely on the quality of > > > O''reillys process so far. > > > > > > The pdf has no table of contents, no appendix, ugly formatting, no > > > internal hyperlinks (that I''ve found at least), and wastes nearly > > > 1/5 of each page with copyright garbage on the top and bottom of > > > each page. > > > > > > Hopefully the content will be worth the aggravation of navigating > > > through this mess. > > > > > > Guess i''ve been spoiled by the pragmatic beta books. > > > > > > --Eldon > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: Pawel Szymczykowski < makenai@gmail.com> > > > To: ruby-talk@ruby-lang.org; rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > > > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:26:24 PM > > > Subject: [Rails] Ruby at O''Reilly Rough Cuts > > > > > > Not sure if this is old news or not, but it would appear that both the > > > Ruby Cookbook and a Rails book are now available for purchase at > > > O''Reilly Rough Cuts (something akin to PragProg''s beta book program): > > > > > > http://rubyurl.com/nHz > > > > > > http://my.safaribooksonline.com/?mode=roughcuts&srchtext=ROUGHCUTS > > > > > > I haven''t tried them yet, but it definitely seems worth checking out. > > > > > > -Pawel > >