Hi, I wrote yesterday about an error message I'm getting when I use GLMM from lme4 to do random effects modelling. (I wanted to note that I've only just started to learn about random effects modelling and R, so am a novice at both, but R/lme4 have been great up to this hiccup) I was asked to provide a reproducable example, so here is my try, using the guImmun data frame included with the package: library(lme4) data(guImmun) fm1 = GLMM(immun ~ kid2p + mom25p + momWork, data = guImmun, family = binomial, random = ~1|mom) fm2 = GLMM(immun ~ kid2p + mom25p + momWork, data = guImmun, family = binomial, random = ~kid2p|mom) ** fm1 produces output, and fm2 gives me the following error message: Error in "EMsteps<-"(`*tmp*`, value = control) : invalid source matrix I'm using R 1.8.1 thanks for any feedback, Matt [[alternative HTML version deleted]]