Hi All, OK, I have 3Ware looking into a driver for my cards (3ware 9500S-8) as I dont see an OpenSolaris driver for them. But this leads me that they do have a FreeBSD Driver, so I could still use ZFS. What does everyone thing about that? I bet it is not as mature as on OpenSolaris. Does anyone have a ZFS tutorial? Best, -Jason
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Slack-Moehrle < mailinglists at mailnewsrss.com> wrote:> OK, I have 3Ware looking into a driver for my cards (3ware 9500S-8) as I > dont see an OpenSolaris driver for them. > > But this leads me that they do have a FreeBSD Driver, so I could still use > ZFS. > > What does everyone thing about that? I bet it is not as mature as on > OpenSolaris. > > Does anyone have a ZFS tutorial? > > We use 3Ware 9550SX and 9650SE RAID controllers with FreeBSD. They workvery nicely, are very stable, and come with fully-supported vendor drives in the FreeBSD kernel. The management tool (3dm2) is also available in the FreeBSD ports tree. These work quite nicely with ZFS. You configure each individual drive as a "Single Disk" array, thus enabling the cache on the controller, the management features of the controller, etc. (JBOD disables all that.) FreeBSD 7.3 includes ZFSv13. FreeBSD 8.0 includes ZFSv13. But, 8-STABLE includes ZFSv14. And there are efforts underway to port ZFSv20-something (at least 21 for dedupe) into FreeBSD 9.0 (possibly 8.1 or 8.2). We use FreeBSD + ZFS + 3Ware on our redundant backup boxes (rsync 120 Linux/FreeBSD servers to box1 each night, rsync box1 to box2 each day). No issues to report since upgrading to ZFSv13 and FreeBSD 8.0. -- Freddie Cash fjwcash at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/attachments/20100325/caa4178b/attachment.html>
> OK, I have 3Ware looking into a driver for my cards (3ware 9500S-8) as > I dont see an OpenSolaris driver for them. > > But this leads me that they do have a FreeBSD Driver, so I could still > use ZFS. > > What does everyone thing about that? I bet it is not as mature as on > OpenSolaris."mature" is not the right term in this case. FreeBSD has been around much longer than opensolaris, and it''s equally if not more mature. FreeBSD is probably somewhat less featureful. Because their focus is heavily on the reliability and stability side, rather than early adoption. Also it''s less popular so there are ... less package availability. And FreeBSD in general will be built using older versions of packages than what''s in OpenSolaris. Both are good OSes. If you can use FreeBSD but OpenSolaris doesn''t have the driver for your hardware, go for it.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 26.03.2010 12:46, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:>> OK, I have 3Ware looking into a driver for my cards (3ware 9500S-8) as >> I dont see an OpenSolaris driver for them. >> >> But this leads me that they do have a FreeBSD Driver, so I could still >> use ZFS. >> >> What does everyone thing about that? I bet it is not as mature as on >> OpenSolaris. > > "mature" is not the right term in this case. FreeBSD has been around much > longer than opensolaris, and it''s equally if not more mature. FreeBSD is > probably somewhat less featureful. Because their focus is heavily on the > reliability and stability side, rather than early adoption. Also it''s less > popular so there are ... less package availability.Have you had a look at /usr/ports? ;) As of a few days ago (when I last updated ports): 21430 I know, strictly speaking "ports" isn''t "packages" since things are compiled locally (but you can output the result into packages if you need to install on several systems).> And FreeBSD in general will be built using older versions of packages than > what''s in OpenSolaris.Where did you get that info? Of course, ZFS is a little older: NAME PROPERTY VALUE SOURCE pollux version 14 default But for other packages FreeBSD is atleast as cutting edge as (Open)Solaris.> Both are good OSes. If you can use FreeBSD but OpenSolaris doesn''t have the > driver for your hardware, go for it.Finally something we agree on. ;) FreeBSD also has a less restrictive license. //Svein - -- - --------+-------------------+------------------------------- /"\ |Svein Skogen | svein at d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg ?stli 9 | PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X |2020 Skedsmokorset | svein at jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | svein at stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listmail at stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +-------------------+------------------------------- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |svein at jernhuset.no | RIPE handle: SS16503-RIPE - --------+-------------------+------------------------------- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mobile at stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I''m not in front of my computer. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ - ------------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkusoH4ACgkQSBMQn1jNM7Y53QCgvx+rSQRk9AmkmvZpWILVV9SE wSwAoN/YELyPIQWbxcUSIh1Ut60pbxak =XlC/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 07:46:01AM -0400, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:> And FreeBSD in general will be built using older versions of packages than > what''s in OpenSolaris. > > Both are good OSes. If you can use FreeBSD but OpenSolaris doesn''t have the > driver for your hardware, go for it.While I use zfs with FreeBSD (FreeNAS appliance with 4x SATA 1 TByte drives) it is trailing OpenSolaris by at least a year if not longer and hence lacks many key features people pick zfs over other file systems. The performance, especially CIFS is quite lacking. Purportedly (I have never seen the source nor am I a developer), such crucial features are nontrivial to backport because FreeBSD doesn''t practice layer separation. Inasmuch this is still true for the future we''ll see once the Oracle/Sun dust settles. -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
> While I use zfs with FreeBSD (FreeNAS appliance with 4x SATA 1 TByte > drives) > it is trailing OpenSolaris by at least a year if not longer and hence > lacks > many key features people pick zfs over other file systems. The > performance, > especially CIFS is quite lacking. Purportedly (I have never seen the > source > nor am I a developer), such crucial features are nontrivial to backport > because > FreeBSD doesn''t practice layer separation. Inasmuch this is still true > for the future we''ll see once the Oracle/Sun dust settles.I''m not sure if it''s a version thing, or something else ... I am running solaris 10u6 (at least a year or two old) and the performance of that is not just fine ... it''s super awesome. An important note, though, is that I''m using samba and not the zfs built-in cifs.
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:> "mature" is not the right term in this case. FreeBSD has been around much > longer than opensolaris, and it''s equally if not more mature. FreeBSD is > probably somewhat less featureful. Because their focus is heavily on the > reliability and stability side, rather than early adoption. Also it''s less > popular so there are ... less package availability. > > And FreeBSD in general will be built using older versions of packages than > what''s in OpenSolaris.I am confused. What is the meaning of "package" and why would OpenSolaris be ahead of FreeBSD when it comes to "packages"? I am not sure what the meaning of "package" is but the claim seems quite dubious to me. To be sure, FreeBSD 8.0 is behind with zfs versions: % zpool upgrade This system is currently running ZFS pool version 13. but of course this is continually being worked on, and the latest stuff (with dedup) is in the process of being ported for delivery in FreeBSD 9.0 (and possibly FreeBSD 8.X). I think that the main advantage that Solaris ultimately has over FreeBSD when it comes to zfs is that Solaris provides an advanced fault management system and FreeBSD does not. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfriesen at simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer, http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/
On Mar 26, 2010, at 4:46 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:>> What does everyone thing about that? I bet it is not as mature as on >> OpenSolaris. > > "mature" is not the right term in this case. FreeBSD has been around much > longer than opensolaris, and it''s equally if not more mature.Bill Joy might take offense to this statement. Both FreeBSD and Solaris trace their roots to the work done at Berkeley 30 years ago. Both have evolved in different ways at different rates. Since Solaris targets the enterprise market, I will claim that Solaris is proven in that space. OpenSolaris is just one of the next steps forward for Solaris. -- richard ZFS storage and performance consulting at http://www.RichardElling.com ZFS training on deduplication, NexentaStor, and NAS performance Las Vegas, April 29-30, 2010 http://nexenta-vegas.eventbrite.com
Richard, My challenge to you is that at least three vedors that I know of built their storage platforms on FreeBSD. One of them sells $4bn/year of product - petty sure that eclipses all (Open)Solaris-based storage ;) -marc On 3/26/10, Richard Elling <richard.elling at gmail.com> wrote:> On Mar 26, 2010, at 4:46 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >>> What does everyone thing about that? I bet it is not as mature as on >>> OpenSolaris. >> >> "mature" is not the right term in this case. FreeBSD has been around much >> longer than opensolaris, and it''s equally if not more mature. > > Bill Joy might take offense to this statement. Both FreeBSD and Solaris > trace > their roots to the work done at Berkeley 30 years ago. Both have evolved in > different ways at different rates. Since Solaris targets the enterprise > market, > I will claim that Solaris is proven in that space. OpenSolaris is just one > of the > next steps forward for Solaris. > -- richard > > ZFS storage and performance consulting at http://www.RichardElling.com > ZFS training on deduplication, NexentaStor, and NAS performance > Las Vegas, April 29-30, 2010 http://nexenta-vegas.eventbrite.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss >-- Sent from my mobile device
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 26.03.2010 23:25, Marc Nicholas wrote:> Richard, > > My challenge to you is that at least three vedors that I know of built > their storage platforms on FreeBSD. One of them sells $4bn/year of > product - petty sure that eclipses all (Open)Solaris-based storage ;)<sarcasm alert> Butbutbutbut! Solaris is more enterprise focused! </sarcasm alert> Seriously. FreeBSD has a _VERY_ good track record (in all levels of busness). This is not an attempt at belittling Solaris, nor the effort of Sun, but trying to claim FreeBSD not being enterprise-ready seems silly. //Svein - -- - --------+-------------------+------------------------------- /"\ |Svein Skogen | svein at d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg ?stli 9 | PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X |2020 Skedsmokorset | svein at jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | svein at stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listmail at stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +-------------------+------------------------------- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |svein at jernhuset.no | RIPE handle: SS16503-RIPE - --------+-------------------+------------------------------- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mobile at stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I''m not in front of my computer. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ - ------------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkutNgUACgkQSBMQn1jNM7aBswCg6zqxqCmq9bz6OepVPWifMuRo NqoAoIIdmL2IKMVqYrlBvVHPM0BB8P1a =k/MQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 03/27/10 11:32 AM, Svein Skogen wrote:> On 26.03.2010 23:25, Marc Nicholas wrote: > >> Richard, >> >> My challenge to you is that at least three vedors that I know of built >> their storage platforms on FreeBSD. One of them sells $4bn/year of >> product - petty sure that eclipses all (Open)Solaris-based storage ;) >> > <sarcasm alert> > Butbutbutbut! Solaris is more enterprise focused! > </sarcasm alert> > > Seriously. FreeBSD has a _VERY_ good track record (in all levels of > busness). This is not an attempt at belittling Solaris, nor the effort > of Sun, but trying to claim FreeBSD not being enterprise-ready seems silly. > >Which is why no one on this thread has.> //Svein > - --Please use a standard signature delimiter "-- " if you are going to tag on so much ASCII art and unnecessary PGP baggage! -- Ian.
On Mar 26, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Marc Nicholas wrote:> Richard, > > My challenge to you is that at least three vedors that I know of built > their storage platforms on FreeBSD. One of them sells $4bn/year of > product - petty sure that eclipses all (Open)Solaris-based storage ;)FreeBSD 8 or FreeBSD 7.3? If neither, then the point is moot. -- richard ZFS storage and performance consulting at http://www.RichardElling.com ZFS training on deduplication, NexentaStor, and NAS performance Las Vegas, April 29-30, 2010 http://nexenta-vegas.eventbrite.com
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Richard Elling <richard.elling at gmail.com>wrote:> On Mar 26, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Marc Nicholas wrote: > > > Richard, > > > > My challenge to you is that at least three vedors that I know of built > > their storage platforms on FreeBSD. One of them sells $4bn/year of > > product - petty sure that eclipses all (Open)Solaris-based storage ;) > > FreeBSD 8 or FreeBSD 7.3? If neither, then the point is moot. > -- richard > > ZFS storage and performance consulting at http://www.RichardElling.com > ZFS training on deduplication, NexentaStor, and NAS performance > Las Vegas, April 29-30, 2010 http://nexenta-vegas.eventbrite.com > >Well that depends on exactly what you mean. There''s several that are actively contributing and using code from both. "Built on" is all relative. Given the SMP improvement recently from all of the major players using BSD, if you''re talking kernel code, I would say every single one of them has pulled code from the 7-branch, and likely the 8-branch as well. --Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/attachments/20100326/b8c856b8/attachment.html>
I might be mistaken, but it looks like 3ware does have a driver, several in fact: http://www.3ware.com/support/downloadpageprod.asp?pcode=9&path=Escalade9500SSeries&prodname=3ware%209500S%20Series Any comment on this? I''m thinking about picking up a server with this card, and it would be cool if it worked. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org