Hi, i want to run a Windows 2000 on a domU, but the CPU didn''t have VT. So the only way to do this, would be over linux-domU and qemu, right ? And its not possible to use kqemu, right ? _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Velten Spägele wrote:> Hi, > > i want to run a Windows 2000 on a domU, but the CPU didn''t have VT. > So the only way to do this, would be over linux-domU and qemu, right ? > And its not possible to use kqemu, right ?Or check out VMware, which may save you a lot of setup work. But *WHY* do you want to run a no-longer-supported, no more security patches OS? Do you really need that much pain? _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
> But *WHY* do you want to run a no-longer-supported, no more security > patches OS? Do you really need that much pain?Because you run applications that run on Windows 2000? _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
There are a lot of legacy reasons for running Windows 2000. We have run into custom grown apps that have relied on some os level stuff that didn''t play well with 2003. In this case we have run the with VMWare (as that was the only alternative at the time for us). BTW, the OS will still be maintained through 2010 (according to M$). Also, we have received support for NT as late as 2005 at the last company I worked for.> -----Original Message----- > From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com [mailto:xen-users- > bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of Nico Kadel-Garcia > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:03 PM > To: Velten Spägele > Cc: xen-users@lists.xensource.com > Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Windows domU on a no HVM CPU > > Velten Spägele wrote: > > Hi, > > > > i want to run a Windows 2000 on a domU, but the CPU didn''t have VT. > > So the only way to do this, would be over linux-domU and qemu, right > ? > > And its not possible to use kqemu, right ? > Or check out VMware, which may save you a lot of setup work. > > But *WHY* do you want to run a no-longer-supported, no more security > patches OS? Do you really need that much pain? > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Roger Klorese wrote:>> But *WHY* do you want to run a no-longer-supported, no more security >> patches OS? Do you really need that much pain? >> > > Because you run applications that run on Windows 2000? > >And I can try and put a little man on my car to shovel coal into the steam engine. It means continuing to use a steam engine, of course. There are sometimes reasons to keep old software apps running, but they can cost quite a lot of time and effort. I deal with this regularly and professionally: it also adds up to a lot money, often far more than properly porting or re-writing the app in a new environment. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Gary W. Smith wrote:> There are a lot of legacy reasons for running Windows 2000. We have run into custom grown apps that have relied on some os level stuff that didn''t play well with 2003. In this case we have run the with VMWare (as that was the only alternative at the time for us). > > BTW, the OS will still be maintained through 2010 (according to M$). Also, we have received support for NT as late as 2005 at the last company I worked for. > >Really! I thought it fell off the primary support list several years ago and went to "extended", "we-ll fix it if you give us extra money" support. You can''t get licenses from Microsoft for it anymore, according to their own website. Where is your cite of the 2010 support date? I assume by that you mean the extended support? _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
> Really! I thought it fell off the primary support list several years > ago > and went to "extended", "we-ll fix it if you give us extra money" > support. You can''t get licenses from Microsoft for it anymore, > according > to their own website. > > Where is your cite of the 2010 support date? I assume by that you mean > the extended support?http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/evaluation/news/bulletins/extendedsupport.mspx Though it''s in extended support, you get critical and security updates without having to pay additional money. I''m not trying to be cynical or to start a flame war, I''m just providing accurate advice. Do I like running windows 2000 at this point in the game? No! But sometimes you have to. I still have VM''s running very legacy software based on NT. Is that smart? Hell no. But for a variety of reasons it''s a must. So, back to the original statement. He can install 2000 under VM and still get security updates until 2010 (according to the link I included). This is a true statement. Anything else is opinion. Gary _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Gary W. Smith wrote:>> Really! I thought it fell off the primary support list several years >> ago >> and went to "extended", "we-ll fix it if you give us extra money" >> support. You can''t get licenses from Microsoft for it anymore, >> according >> to their own website. >> >> Where is your cite of the 2010 support date? I assume by that you mean >> the extended support? >> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/evaluation/news/bulletins/extendedsupport.mspx > > Though it''s in extended support, you get critical and security updates without having to pay additional money. > > I''m not trying to be cynical or to start a flame war, I''m just providing accurate advice. Do I like running windows 2000 at this point in the game? No! But sometimes you have to. > > I still have VM''s running very legacy software based on NT. Is that smart? Hell no. But for a variety of reasons it''s a must. > > So, back to the original statement. He can install 2000 under VM and still get security updates until 2010 (according to the link I included). This is a true statement. Anything else is opinion. >Good reference, thank you. I''ll keep that link. Notice that it''s 2 years old as well, and that it says "During the Extended Support phase, Microsoft continues to provide security hot fixes and paid support but no longer provides complimentary support options, design change requests, and non-security hotfixes.*" I am curious about the results of Windows 2000 under Xen, for use in QA environments. Are there additional boobytraps that folks here have seen? _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Nico Kadel-Garcia schrieb:> Velten Spägele wrote: >> Hi, >> >> i want to run a Windows 2000 on a domU, but the CPU didn''t have VT. >> So the only way to do this, would be over linux-domU and qemu, right ? >> And its not possible to use kqemu, right ? > Or check out VMware, which may save you a lot of setup work. > > But *WHY* do you want to run a no-longer-supported, no more security > patches OS? Do you really need that much pain?First, i have one licence for Windows 2k and the second Win2k need no so much system performance like XP. I need it only for 2 Programs, which not working fine with wine. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Artur Linhart - Linux communication
2007-Apr-17 12:57 UTC
RE: [Xen-users] Windows domU on a no HVM CPU
Hello, Nico, I think there is no problem in Windows 2000, I installed it on Xen without having larger trouble (of course, this was for test only, not for a productive usage)... From my point of view the problem of Velten is not having the VT-Enabled processor, motherboard and bios, this is the HW question, not the question of the older OS... Cheers, Archie -----Original Message----- From: xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com [mailto:xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com] On Behalf Of Nico Kadel-Garcia Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 1:03 AM To: Velten Spägele Cc: xen-users@lists.xensource.com Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Windows domU on a no HVM CPU Velten Spägele wrote:> Hi, > > i want to run a Windows 2000 on a domU, but the CPU didn''t have VT. > So the only way to do this, would be over linux-domU and qemu, right ? > And its not possible to use kqemu, right ?Or check out VMware, which may save you a lot of setup work. But *WHY* do you want to run a no-longer-supported, no more security patches OS? Do you really need that much pain? _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users __________ Informace od NOD32 2193 (20070416) __________ Tato zprava byla proverena antivirovym systemem NOD32. http://www.nod32.cz _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users