Well I finally broke down and got me one of those Intel iMacs and a copy of Textmate. It took me a bit to get use to Textmate but once I learned some of the shortcuts I was cruising. Mac OS X took very little time to get used to as I already had a decent *nix background. Up until this point I had been primarily on Windows. Some of the productivity highlights I''ve found: 1. My CPU cycles are not being eatten by virus scanners and firewalls anymore. 2. MySQL actually runs better on my new Mac than it did on Windows (why is this? It uses less memory and seems more responsive) 3. With tools like Darwinports I can bring down most any package I want in a few minutes 4. No .NET. I didn''t realize how painfully slow .NET actually is and how much of a memory hog it is. Rogue ASP.NET worker processes eatting tons of ram. IIS crapping out on large file uploads. WinForms taking 10+ meg just to display "Hello World". I''ve seen too many ASP.NET apps degrade over time, RoR doesn''t. ASP.NET is a good tool - don''t get me wrong, but its definately NOT keeping up with Rails, or even PHP for that matter IHMO. 5. When I need to grab something off of Windows I use Parallels.com nifty tool and put Windows in a little jail cell so it cannot hurt itself and I can run Windows in near native speed. I gotta admit though, once I migrated my stuff from Windows I haven''t booted it up anymore.... 6. XCode, why doesn''t this wonderful tool get more press?? Its awesome. 7. Rails likes Macs more than Windows (Well, at least I think so). For those that haven''t experienced the new Intel Macs, I suggest you give it a try as I''ve been very happy. Honestly if I was Dell I''d be a little worried about the new Macs, they are fast, sleek, and ready to go out of the box. They are not loaded with AOL, Compuserver, MSN, etc. garbage or other spyware apps. The MacBook will be my next purchase. Well, actually now that I think of it if I was Dell I''d proably shutdown the company and give the money back to the shareholders ;-) http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/apple_passes_dell_in_market_value Well I had better get out of here before Steve Ballmer tosses a chair at me. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
So, you spent thousands of dollars on TextMate too? It''s a pretty pricey app for us "switchers". :) -schmo Jason Thandle wrote:> > Well I finally broke down and got me one of those Intel iMacs and a copy > of Textmate. It took me a bit to get use to Textmate but once I learned > some of the shortcuts I was cruising. Mac OS X took very little time to > get used to as I already had a decent *nix background. Up until this > point I had been primarily on Windows. > > Some of the productivity highlights I''ve found: > 1. My CPU cycles are not being eatten by virus scanners and firewalls > anymore. > 2. MySQL actually runs better on my new Mac than it did on Windows (why > is this? It uses less memory and seems more responsive) > 3. With tools like Darwinports I can bring down most any package I want > in a few minutes > 4. No .NET. I didn''t realize how painfully slow .NET actually is and > how much of a memory hog it is. Rogue ASP.NET worker processes eatting > tons of ram. IIS crapping out on large file uploads. WinForms taking > 10+ meg just to display "Hello World". I''ve seen too many ASP.NET apps > degrade over time, RoR doesn''t. ASP.NET is a good tool - don''t get me > wrong, but its definately NOT keeping up with Rails, or even PHP for > that matter IHMO. > 5. When I need to grab something off of Windows I use Parallels.com > nifty tool and put Windows in a little jail cell so it cannot hurt > itself and I can run Windows in near native speed. I gotta admit > though, once I migrated my stuff from Windows I haven''t booted it up > anymore.... > 6. XCode, why doesn''t this wonderful tool get more press?? Its awesome. > 7. Rails likes Macs more than Windows (Well, at least I think so). > > For those that haven''t experienced the new Intel Macs, I suggest you > give it a try as I''ve been very happy. Honestly if I was Dell I''d be a > little worried about the new Macs, they are fast, sleek, and ready to go > out of the box. They are not loaded with AOL, Compuserver, MSN, etc. > garbage or other spyware apps. The MacBook will be my next purchase. > Well, actually now that I think of it if I was Dell I''d proably shutdown > the company and give the money back to the shareholders ;-) > http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/apple_passes_dell_in_market_value > > Well I had better get out of here before Steve Ballmer tosses a chair at >-- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Rails-on-a-Mac---I%27ve-seen-the-light-tf1920755.html#a5262885 Sent from the RubyOnRails Users forum at Nabble.com.
Jason Thandle wrote:> Well I finally broke down and got me one of those Intel iMacs and a copy > of Textmate. It took me a bit to get use to Textmate but once I learned > some of the shortcuts I was cruising. Mac OS X took very little time to > get used to as I already had a decent *nix background. Up until this > point I had been primarily on Windows.Always good to see another "switcher" climb onboard. Welcome to freedom from the monopoly chair throwing, Google panic''d, code stealing, Vista never shipping, and XBox losing money clowns. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Not to start a holy war, but Vim 7 is pretty good too and I spent nothing. To run ubuntu. On 7/10/06, Lee Marksmith <lee42@bling.info> wrote:> Jason Thandle wrote > > Well I finally broke down and got me one of those Intel iMacs and a copy > > of Textmate. It took me a bit to get use to Textmate but once I learned > > some of the shortcuts I was cruising. Mac OS X took very little time to > > get used to as I already had a decent *nix background. Up until this > > point I had been primarily on Windows. > > Always good to see another "switcher" climb onboard. Welcome to freedom > from the monopoly chair throwing, Google panic''d, code stealing, Vista > never shipping, and XBox losing money clowns. > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails@lists.rubyonrails.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Elliott Clark eclark@cc.gatech.edu eclark@nife.us
Now Go and download Quicksilver(my god, you must use this program), Adium, Desktop Manager and Cyberduck and just be amazed. I can''t believe I ran windows so long and "hated" mac users, but then after I started using linux at my job, I started liking using unix, and it seems that OSX is just a real pretty body kit on an 1100hp dragster. Also, pick up a tutorial on bash scripting, and look and apple''s tutorial on Automater(comes with your mac). Automater is like the old windows tool macro recorder, except 100x better and allows interactivity with the user. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> Always good to see another "switcher" climb onboard. Welcome to freedom > from the monopolyyou mean, "Thank you for trading your Microsoft monopoly for the hipper, more socially-acceptable Apple monopoly" :)
On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 04:01 +0000, carmen wrote:> > Always good to see another "switcher" climb onboard. Welcome to freedom > > from the monopoly > > you mean, "Thank you for trading your Microsoft monopoly for the hipper, more socially-acceptable Apple monopoly" :)---- you mean the other company that wants to control your media viewing/listening experience, enforce their view of digital rights management and is trying to branch out into the appliance market to dominate another technology segment. Why is it that Macintosh users view themselves as free of the Microsoft monopoly before they fire up a copy of Microsoft Office and a copy of iTunes which can only purchase from the Apple owned iTunes Store which encodes Apple''s DRM and thinks that they have found freedom? Craig
On Mon, Jul 10, 2006, Craig White wrote:> Why is it that Macintosh users view themselves as free of the Microsoft > monopoly before they fire up a copy of Microsoft Office and a copy of > iTunes which can only purchase from the Apple owned iTunes Store which > encodes Apple''s DRM and thinks that they have found freedom?Because lots of mac users don''t use Office and don''t buy songs from iTunes? It still plays mp3s just fine... Ben
On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 23:22 -0700, Ben Bleything wrote:> On Mon, Jul 10, 2006, Craig White wrote: > > Why is it that Macintosh users view themselves as free of the Microsoft > > monopoly before they fire up a copy of Microsoft Office and a copy of > > iTunes which can only purchase from the Apple owned iTunes Store which > > encodes Apple''s DRM and thinks that they have found freedom? > > Because lots of mac users don''t use Office and don''t buy songs from > iTunes? It still plays mp3s just fine...---- you have to know that I was going to look at the headers of your email to see what MUA you used half expecting for it to say Entourage ;-) (it said mutt) I would dispute your ''lots'' of Mac users assertion but I have no empirical data...only anecdotal data which has me believing in 100% of the Mac users having Microsoft Office on their systems, either purchased or otherwise. Freedom however, until the next update of Mac OS X and then you can pony up $120 for the upgrade (and whatever for iLife, etc.) Craig
On Mon, Jul 10, 2006, Craig White wrote:> you have to know that I was going to look at the headers of your email > to see what MUA you used half expecting for it to say Entourage ;-)Hahahah :)> (it said mutt)On my linux box, to which I''m ssh''ed inside Terminal.app :) I do have Mail.app running, though. DarwinPorts mutt does not have all the features that I need ;)> I would dispute your ''lots'' of Mac users assertion but I have no > empirical data...only anecdotal data which has me believing in 100% of > the Mac users having Microsoft Office on their systems, either purchased > or otherwise.I''m a programmer, I don''t need/use office stuff. 90% of the mac users I know are programmers, and don''t need/use it either. When someone sends me a .doc, it opens in TextEdit. When I need to compose one (never) I use my windows box. I think what you''re saying is probably true on the whole, but is less true in the developer community.> Freedom however, until the next update of Mac OS X and then you can pony > up $120 for the upgrade (and whatever for iLife, etc.)Yeah. There is certainly a lot of stupid fanboyness in the Apple community about how everything is free and wonderful and shiny and isn''t Steve so dreamy. The other 10% of mac users I know (non-developers) are creative professionals, and that makes 100% of mac users I know who recognize that their computer is a tool and don''t mind spending money on it to keep making money with it. If I didn''t have a PowerBook, I''d absolutely be running ubuntu on a thinkpad. I bet lots of people would say the same thing. But I do have a powerbook and I love it :) Ben
Jason Thandle wrote:> 1. My CPU cycles are not being eatten by virus scanners and firewalls > anymore.I use (Ubuntu) Linux and me neither.> 2. MySQL actually runs better on my new Mac than it did on Windows (why > is this? It uses less memory and seems more responsive)Me too!> 3. With tools like Darwinports I can bring down most any package I want > in a few minutesMe too! (Synaptic)> 4. No .NET.Me too!> 5. When I need to grab something off of Windows I use Parallels.comMe too! (wine)> 6. XCode, why doesn''t this wonderful tool get more press?? Its awesome.Me too! (GTK)> 7. Rails likes Macs more than Windows (Well, at least I think so).Me too! (and maybe like Linux more than Macs?)> Honestly if I was Dell I''d be a little worried about the new Macs they are fast, sleek, and ready to go out of the box.I''m not Dell but I bought a Sony Vaio TX3 with Core Solo that is all that and more in less than 1 inch and 3 pounds. Ok maybe not that ready out of the box, but as Craig White said, I won''t be paying my next upgrade of Linux. And I don''t support a company that supports locked file formats, like Microsoft or Apple. And for sure I''m not loaded with AOL, Compuserver, MSN, iTunes garbage or other spyware! :-) -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 23:57 -0700, Ben Bleything wrote:> > Freedom however, until the next update of Mac OS X and then you can > pony > > up $120 for the upgrade (and whatever for iLife, etc.) > > Yeah. There is certainly a lot of stupid fanboyness in the Apple > community about how everything is free and wonderful and shiny and > isn''t > Steve so dreamy. The other 10% of mac users I know (non-developers) > are creative professionals, and that makes 100% of mac users I know > who > recognize that their computer is a tool and don''t mind spending money > on > it to keep making money with it. > > If I didn''t have a PowerBook, I''d absolutely be running ubuntu on a > thinkpad. I bet lots of people would say the same thing. But I do > have > a powerbook and I love it :)---- I don''t think that there is that much difference between any of the OS''s - I have all 3 available at the touch of a keyboard via KVM but I really am only using Linux these days (OK, I admit to using InDesign occasionally). I could work on any OS at this stage and do fine. The thing that gripes me (and this is a former head of an Apple user group typing), is the proselytizing by Macintosh users - even ignoring the hard core anti-Microsoft sentiment so prevalent, that makes Jehovah Witness greeters seem tame by comparison. It''s as if they didn''t notice that even Guy Kawasaki stopped banging the drum 10 years ago. Their hardware is getting cheesier all the time as well...you can''t put the MacBook laptop''s in your lap or you will be burned. Craig ps: even your commentary about darwin ports of mutt is evidence that OS X doesn''t do UNIX all that well and I''ve been bit a few times in that arena myself (need I say umask?)
On 7/11/06, Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com> wrote:> you mean the other company that wants to control your media > viewing/listening experience, enforce their view of digital rights > management and is trying to branch out into the appliance market to > dominate another technology segment. >are you talking about computers companies or (insert any other industry here)?
carmen wrote:> you mean, "Thank you for trading your Microsoft monopoly for the hipper, > more socially-acceptable Apple monopoly" :)Well, I guess the point is Microsoft used illegal tactics to control a monopoly and hang onto it. Apple is anything but a monopoly - they just don''t have the marketshare. Even just looking at the iPod market they are not a monopoly in the sense they control 98% of the market because they don''t. Creative, Sony, Dell, etc. all have a presence and I haven''t seen Apple making any shady deals to retain what they have. Remember, its no illegal to have a monopoly in the U.S. Where it gets illegal is using certain under the table tactics to retain that monopoly. My conscience does feel better with Apple by the way. I couldn''t stomach Microsoft anymore and they fact they''ve probably held back the computer industry as a whole by about 10 years. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Jonathan M?tillon wrote:> I use (Ubuntu) Linux and me neither.I tried Ubuntu. Its "ok" but it is a real bear to get working with an up to date Ruby/RoR. I don''t mind it as a distro - honestly, but if I had to pick I''d probably still go with Fedora if I wasn''t on Mac OS X.> Me too! (wine)My experiences with Wine are that most things don''t work well. I can (and have) run Visual Studio .NET under Parallels, you cannot do that with Wine.> Me too! (GTK)Well, I have to differ here. Xcode is much more polished IMHO than GTK or KDevelop.> I''m not Dell but I bought a Sony Vaio TX3 with Core Solo that is all > that and more in less than 1 inch and 3 pounds. Ok maybe not that ready > out of the box, but as Craig White said, I won''t be paying my next > upgrade of Linux. And I don''t support a company that supports locked > file formats, like Microsoft or Apple.I don''t have any issues with locking in formats. Far too much pirating going on, everyone I know that is scared of locking in file formats, etc. is pirating movies, songs, games, etc. I''m not saying everyone concerned on file formats are doing these actions - but the people I know ARE doing this. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On 7/11/06, Jason Thandle <jasthan@yahoo.com> wrote:> I tried Ubuntu. Its "ok" but it is a real bear to get working with an > up to date Ruby/RoR. I don''t mind it as a distro - honestly, but if I > had to pick I''d probably still go with Fedora if I wasn''t on Mac OS X.I''ve seen people say this a few times but it''s not my experience. Ruby as packaged in ubuntu is fine. You just need to install rubygems by hand and then after that all is done with the gem command. "gem install rails" and all that. Installing mysql/postgresql is pretty easy too since they''re both well packaged. Pedro.
> Now Go and download Quicksilver(my god, you must use this program),Does anyone else have the latest version of Quicksilver constantly crashing on them?> Adium, Desktop Manager and Cyberduck and just be amazed.All excellent programs, though I recently switched over to the Virtue desktop manager instead after Tim Bray pointed it out to me. Very convenient if you tend to keep similar apps grouped on the same desktop. Cheers, Bob Aman -- AIM: sporkmonger Jabber: sporkmonger@jabber.org
Ben Bleything wrote:> Yeah. There is certainly a lot of stupid fanboyness in the Apple > community about how everything is free and wonderful and shiny and isn''t > Steve so dreamy. The other 10% of mac users I know (non-developers)True. But honestly, have you ever watched Bill Gates do a keynote? Talk about sleepy time.... ZZzzz Zzzz Zzzz. Then, turn around and watch Steve Jobs do a keynote - big difference :-) Steve Jobs clearly turned Apple around, I think we can all agree on that. When Bill Gates leaves in two years I actually think Microsoft would benefit, especially if Ballmer was to follow Gates out. For one thing, they wouldn''t have to be settling out of court to everyone they''ve stepped on, ie: Sun, AOL, Novell, Orange, Burst, Netscape, Apple, etc. That alone would benefit the shareholders. Now the EU is going to fine them 2 million Euros per day. How do investors put up with Microsoft burning up their dividends? I''ve ALWAYS predicted in the end what will do Microsoft in will be Microsoft. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Jonathan M?tillon wrote:> Jason Thandle wrote: >> 1. My CPU cycles are not being eatten by virus scanners and firewalls >> anymore. > > I use (Ubuntu) Linux and me neither. >This has to do with the way Unix (and Linux) spawn processes. It is more efficient. Other than that, the code in the OS is probably cleaner for OS/X and Linux than for Windows. This is a guess based on similar evidence comparing MS products to Open source products. (See here: http://blogs.zdnet.com/threatchaos/index.php?p=311 for a comparison of Apache and IIS, for instance. This is an amazing difference. This is how MS writes software, so you needn''t ask why its slower!) Use the OS you feel most comfortable and productive with. If the OS is getting in your way, please try another. You my be suprised, or dissapointed. DHH makes the point that happy programmers are motivated and productive programmers. I use Linux, it makes me happy. If a Mac or a Windows box works for you, well good! -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On 7/11/06, sean lynch <sean.seanlynch@gmail.com> wrote:> DHH makes the point that happy programmers are motivated and productive > programmers. I use Linux, it makes me happy. If a Mac or a Windows box > works for you, well good!Exactly. They''re just tools. I use OS X, Linux and WinXP for development. I get to have holy wars with myself. If you''re doing Ruby development (or Java for that matter) it hardly matters what OS you''re using anymore. I find that IE and Word are the main reason to have XP hanging around, and several clients still use Lotus Notes (:cry). -- James
James Ludlow wrote:> main reason to have XP hanging around, and several clients still use > Lotus Notes (:cry). > > > -- JamesHeya James, IBM to Debut Lotus Notes on Linux http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1986155,00.asp - Don -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Since switching to a Mac, my computer feels more like an appliance - it just works. I haven''t spent anywhere near as much time screwing around with configuring or troubleshooting or installing as with Windows or Linux. I tried Ubuntu a feel months ago, and saw nothing to get excited about. I couldn''t get my WIFI card to work, the screen flickered, and there were they same ''ol programs on the desktop as there were years ago. But for servers, I prefer (Fedora) Linux. As for VIM, I have never understood why anybody would prefer it over a real GUI editor. Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
On Tue, Jul 11, 2006, Craig White wrote:> I don''t think that there is that much difference between any of the OS''s > - I have all 3 available at the touch of a keyboard via KVM but I really > am only using Linux these days (OK, I admit to using InDesign > occasionally). I could work on any OS at this stage and do fine.Yeah, exactly. Just a different flavor of tool.> The thing that gripes me (and this is a former head of an Apple user > group typing), is the proselytizing by Macintosh users - even ignoring > the hard core anti-Microsoft sentiment so prevalent, that makes Jehovah > Witness greeters seem tame by comparison. It''s as if they didn''t notice > that even Guy Kawasaki stopped banging the drum 10 years ago.This is true for the Linux community too... it just seems different because they''re not being giddy about spending $2k on a machine :)> Their hardware is getting cheesier all the time as well...you can''t put > the MacBook laptop''s in your lap or you will be burned.First-gen products... don''t do it :) Everyone knew that was going to happen anyway, intel chips are hot hot hot. Maybe if they went amd...> ps: even your commentary about darwin ports of mutt is evidence that OS > X doesn''t do UNIX all that well and I''ve been bit a few times in that > arena myself (need I say umask?)I don''t think that''s fair. Debian''s mutt is heavily patched, as is what you get from FreeBSD''s ports if you don''t mess with it. The maintainer of mutt in DP has either decided not to include those patches or doesn''t know they exist. That doesn''t reflect either way on the operating system... nothing in DP does. On the other hand, can we think about case sensitivity for a second? I thought we could. Ben
On 7/11/06, Joe <joe@yahoo.com> wrote:> As for VIM, I have never understood why anybody would prefer it over a > real GUI editor.It''s pure convenience. Vim or at least vi comes with the base install for most any modern *nix operating system. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/
Dean Matsueda
2006-Jul-11 21:11 UTC
[Rails] [Way OT] Rails on a Mac - I''ve seen the light
> It''s as if they didn''t notice that even Guy Kawasaki stopped bangingthe> drum 10 years ago.Do you read his blog? I think it''s fairly apparent that he''s still a huge Apple and Mac evangelist. It''s just that he''s not doing it full time anymore. I only inject this little tidbit because I think his blog is very interesting, especially for all of us working in the technology world and no matter what OS you happen to favor. blog.guykawasaki.com
Craig White wrote:> The thing that gripes me (and this is a former head of an Apple user > group typing), is the proselytizing by Macintosh users - even ignoring > the hard core anti-Microsoft sentiment so prevalent, that makes Jehovah > Witness greeters seem tame by comparison. It''s as if they didn''t notice > that even Guy Kawasaki stopped banging the drum 10 years ago.No surprise there - Apple SUCKED ten years ago, before Jobs turned it around. Joe -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
Ben Bleything wrote:> On my linux box, to which I''m ssh''ed inside Terminal.app :) I do have > Mail.app running, though. DarwinPorts mutt does not have all the > features that I need ;)Try mutt-devel from darwinports. It is a much newer version. Also you can enable options by doing +ssl +sasl, etc. Check the port file. It is relatively easy to add support for other patches via the port file as well. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---