Mark A. Carlson
2007-May-30 19:28 UTC
[zfs-discuss] Slashdot Article: Does ZFS Obsolete Expensive NAS/SANs?
http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/30/0135218&from=rss
Toby Thain
2007-May-30 21:21 UTC
[zfs-discuss] Slashdot Article: Does ZFS Obsolete Expensive NAS/SANs?
On 30-May-07, at 4:28 PM, Mark A. Carlson wrote:> http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/30/0135218&from=rssOne highly rated comment features some of the first real ZFS FUD I''ve seen in the wild. Does this signify that ZFS is being taken seriously now? :) --Toby> _______________________________________________ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Jerry Kemp
2007-May-30 21:31 UTC
[zfs-discuss] Slashdot Article: Does ZFS Obsolete Expensive NAS/SANs?
What comment in particular was that? Jerry K Toby Thain wrote:> > On 30-May-07, at 4:28 PM, Mark A. Carlson wrote: > >> http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/30/0135218&from=rss > > > One highly rated comment features some of the first real ZFS FUD I''ve > seen in the wild. Does this signify that ZFS is being taken seriously > now? :) > > --Toby >
Toby Thain
2007-May-31 00:56 UTC
[zfs-discuss] Slashdot Article: Does ZFS Obsolete Expensive NAS/SANs?
On 30-May-07, at 6:31 PM, Jerry Kemp wrote:> What comment in particular was that?Sorry, I should have cited it. Blew my chance to moderate by posting to the thread :) http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=236627&cid=19319903 I computed the FUD factor by sorting the items into known bugs; fixed bugs; and incorrect. --Toby> > Jerry K > > > Toby Thain wrote: >> On 30-May-07, at 4:28 PM, Mark A. Carlson wrote: >>> http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/30/0135218&from=rss >> One highly rated comment features some of the first real ZFS FUD >> I''ve seen in the wild. Does this signify that ZFS is being taken >> seriously now? :) >> --Toby > _______________________________________________ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Jesus Cea
2007-Jun-03 03:27 UTC
[zfs-discuss] Slashdot Article: Does ZFS Obsolete Expensive NAS/SANs?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Toby Thain wrote:> Sorry, I should have cited it. Blew my chance to moderate by posting to > the thread :) > > http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=236627&cid=19319903 > > I computed the FUD factor by sorting the items into known bugs; fixed > bugs; and incorrect.Maybe you could improve the wikipedia article :-). My main point creating that section was to document "issues" important enough to know before deploying ZFS. Observe that "unoficial" Solaris no-releases are not applicable (solaris express, nevada). The last Solaris is Solaris 10 Update 3. I''m a ZFS convert. Sure. But current release has rough edges we must know about. And no, I can''t deploy an experimental release; I must adhere to Sun Solaris official updates. Waiting for Solaris 10 Update 4 impatiently :). Very :-) - -- Jesus Cea Avion _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ jcea at argo.es http://www.argo.es/~jcea/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ jabber / xmpp:jcea at jabber.org _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "Things are not so easy" _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "My name is Dump, Core Dump" _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "El amor es poner tu felicidad en la felicidad de otro" - Leibniz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBRmI1I5lgi5GaxT1NAQLaTQQAogMR0ffMmPwPsWICH7WzUvzLZsd6Tj7F mg1q5iiddnJmGOfdf16Vgtl4/sLmkIfYZOJDotqUeHWpd25BAhlLTkj/18ow7ypN Kv3roB/yK0RuIbnwrDyNJFGaY1NxWGplZANdYjoRvNlSC1VHOD5Urm/XOQO+c1BU 0zi4WV8A74A=k7Sc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
eric kustarz
2007-Jun-04 19:10 UTC
[zfs-discuss] Slashdot Article: Does ZFS Obsolete Expensive NAS/SANs?
On Jun 2, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Jesus Cea wrote:> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Toby Thain wrote: >> Sorry, I should have cited it. Blew my chance to moderate by >> posting to >> the thread :) >> >> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=236627&cid=19319903 >> >> I computed the FUD factor by sorting the items into known bugs; fixed >> bugs; and incorrect. > > Maybe you could improve the wikipedia article :-). My main point > creating that section was to document "issues" important enough to > know > before deploying ZFS. Observe that "unoficial" Solaris no-releases are > not applicable (solaris express, nevada). The last Solaris is > Solaris 10 > Update 3. > > I''m a ZFS convert. Sure. But current release has rough edges we must > know about. And no, I can''t deploy an experimental release; I must > adhere to Sun Solaris official updates. Waiting for Solaris 10 > Update 4 > impatiently :). Very :-)There''s going to be some very good stuff for ZFS in s10u4, can you please update the issues *and* features when it comes out? thanks, eric
Jesus Cea
2007-Jun-05 16:50 UTC
[zfs-discuss] Slashdot Article: Does ZFS Obsolete Expensive NAS/SANs?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 eric kustarz wrote:> There''s going to be some very good stuff for ZFS in s10u4, can you > please update the issues *and* features when it comes out?Of course. That was my commitment when I decided to create the "beware" section in the wikipedia article. Would be very nice if the improvements would be documented anywhere :-) - -- Jesus Cea Avion _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ jcea at argo.es http://www.argo.es/~jcea/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ jabber / xmpp:jcea at jabber.org _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "Things are not so easy" _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "My name is Dump, Core Dump" _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "El amor es poner tu felicidad en la felicidad de otro" - Leibniz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBRmWUcZlgi5GaxT1NAQLUuwP/WNIQMLKEwRLBbU4ALZcL2dWK+/s1JUcb ItYJsCmF3h4dSAufPpiXw7T7ZaRfVYxR/D9W4VY3/SilIgZ8zb+Tip0TP7DWlqs8 K9RHndK+8QsYMpK3J8koNGeaN/vE0EGxe8xdvQghRg4hU93Y2rW/73OxGU0KJNkd KQPODW2SKfo=S4/H -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
eric kustarz
2007-Jun-05 17:01 UTC
[zfs-discuss] Slashdot Article: Does ZFS Obsolete Expensive NAS/SANs?
> > Would be very nice if the improvements would be documented > anywhere :-) >Cindy has been doing a good job of putting the new features into the admin guide: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/zfsadmin.pdf Check out the "What''s New in ZFS?" section. eric
Jesus Cea
2007-Jun-05 17:06 UTC
[zfs-discuss] Slashdot Article: Does ZFS Obsolete Expensive NAS/SANs?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 eric kustarz wrote:> Cindy has been doing a good job of putting the new features into the > admin guide: > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/zfsadmin.pdf > > Check out the "What''s New in ZFS?" section.I will update the wikipedia entry when Solaris10U4 be published :) - -- Jesus Cea Avion _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ jcea at argo.es http://www.argo.es/~jcea/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ jabber / xmpp:jcea at jabber.org _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "Things are not so easy" _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "My name is Dump, Core Dump" _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "El amor es poner tu felicidad en la felicidad de otro" - Leibniz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBRmWYG5lgi5GaxT1NAQJtzgQAmT0FQ/1ciQYAqi2unOjPkBMe8fkkI08Y ux19N+ONvDHp742im5ZPaWrpa5Ns+42+SWziIOPaPYC27DaV2vqLz1gun53LLRPi /gRo2AFCgKGvmHBM2qsL9Ch8kepMSm4pUmWLjG81eIq+1R5wjo5Dv4Nld0YITS9u EdrfG6VU6pE=pa0L -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Matthew Ahrens
2007-Jun-05 17:39 UTC
[zfs-discuss] ZFS Wikipedia article (was: Slashdot Article)
Jesus Cea wrote:> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > eric kustarz wrote: >> Cindy has been doing a good job of putting the new features into the >> admin guide: >> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/zfsadmin.pdf >> >> Check out the "What''s New in ZFS?" section. > > I will update the wikipedia entry when Solaris10U4 be published :)I really believe that ZFS *is* the OpenSolaris version, and citing deficiencies which do not exist in ZFS (the OpenSolaris version) is not appropriate. Perhaps a simple disclaimer: "New features and bug fixes are integrated into Solaris 10 several months after they are in OpenSolaris". But, I don''t feel it would be appropriate for me to edit the Wikipedia page, so I''ll just make my comments here. By comparison, would you consider the development branch of the linux kernel (2.odd-number releases) to not exist for the sake of Wikipedia documentation? --matt
Andy Lubel
2007-Jun-06 14:09 UTC
[zfs-discuss] Slashdot Article: Does ZFS Obsolete Expensive NAS/SANs?
Anyone know when s10u4 will be released? On 6/5/07 1:06 PM, "Jesus Cea" <jcea at argo.es> wrote:> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > eric kustarz wrote: >> Cindy has been doing a good job of putting the new features into the >> admin guide: >> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/zfsadmin.pdf >> >> Check out the "What''s New in ZFS?" section. > > I will update the wikipedia entry when Solaris10U4 be published :) > > - -- > Jesus Cea Avion _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ > jcea at argo.es http://www.argo.es/~jcea/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ > jabber / xmpp:jcea at jabber.org _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ > _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ > "Things are not so easy" _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ > "My name is Dump, Core Dump" _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ > "El amor es poner tu felicidad en la felicidad de otro" - Leibniz > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iQCVAwUBRmWYG5lgi5GaxT1NAQJtzgQAmT0FQ/1ciQYAqi2unOjPkBMe8fkkI08Y > ux19N+ONvDHp742im5ZPaWrpa5Ns+42+SWziIOPaPYC27DaV2vqLz1gun53LLRPi > /gRo2AFCgKGvmHBM2qsL9Ch8kepMSm4pUmWLjG81eIq+1R5wjo5Dv4Nld0YITS9u > EdrfG6VU6pE> =pa0L > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discussAndy Lubel Application Administrator / IT Department --
Jens Elkner
2007-Jun-07 19:48 UTC
[zfs-discuss] Slashdot Article: Does ZFS Obsolete Expensive NAS/SANs?
On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:10:18PM -0700, eric kustarz wrote:> > There''s going to be some very good stuff for ZFS in s10u4, can you > please update the issues *and* features when it comes out?Yes, and don''t forget to add, that the POSIX ACL has been dropped/replaced by the braindamaged NFS4 ACLs. Now (when one migrates/cp UFS to ZFS) one needs to "chmod -R A- workgroup_dir" and "find workgroup_dir -type d -exec chmod 0770 {} +" and similar "find workgroup_dir -type f -exec chmod 0660 {} +" to make files accessable again. Last but not least one needs to teach the *x nerds to revert to same procedures as 20 years ago: create/copy files/dirs to workgroup_dir and than chmod g+rw etc.. Yes, windows people are laughing now about *x nerds and the nerds start hating admins, which use ZFS for workgroup dirs and getting bad points because they used to forget the chmod etc. thing ... My 2 ?. Regards, jel. -- Otto-von-Guericke University http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/ Department of Computer Science Geb. 29 R 027, Universitaetsplatz 2 39106 Magdeburg, Germany Tel: +49 391 67 12768