Hi, I'm using the ITU-T P.834 methodology to derive the Ie parameter for Speex. According to the E-model, Ie indicates the degradation in quality of a codec at 0% packet loss. It is a non-negative value: the higher, the worst. Details in ITU-T G.107. Because Speex is multi-rate, we are deriving one Ie parameter for each Speex rate. In our preliminary experiments, we've got a value of Ie=0 for Speex at 24.6kbps, which is the same value for the G.711 (64kbps). All other codecs has generally Ie above 0, because of lossy compression. Thus, I'm amazed that Speex at 24.6kbps is giving us a very good value of Ie=0. Looking at the PESQ x bitrate graph presented at Speex home page (http://www.speex.org/comparison/), I saw that the last red cross point of Speex is very close to the pink square point of G.711, which corroborates to our findings. We've also used PESQ in our experiments, so I'm afraid that our results can be only another way of reading this graph. So, I would like to hear from you guys if this result of Ie=0 for Speex at 24.6kbps does make any sense? There are any human-based evaluation study of Speex that can be used for comparison? Regards, Leandro Galvao