CentOS - Jul 2017 - Fedora bugs and EOL [was Re: CentOS users: please try and provide feedback on Fedora] Boltron

On 07/28/2017 04:22 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:11:53PM +0100, Phil Perry wrote:
>> The issue I have here is even if I did file a bug, and the issue
>> were fixed, no sooner than it's fixed fedora updates to the next
>> version and introduces a whole bunch of new bugs, and so the cycle
>> continues. I played that game for a while with fedora core when Red
>> Hat Linux died before settling on Enterprise Linux and have never
>> looked back.
> 
> Sure; that's the tradeoff of getting new stuff.
> 
> But, I'm not asking anyone here to switch to Fedora. I'm asking
> (especially those of you who are professional sysadmins) to please look
> at the Modularity prototype.
> 
> 
> 

I would like to point out that the next RHEL releases start as a Fedora
release which is branched off at some point in time, has some packages
removed (which the RHEL team deems not needed or unsupportable, etc.)
and then undergoes a process of testing, bug fixing, etc.

Testing and using Fedora is extremely helpful to the RHEL engineering
process, and since CentOS is a rebuild of the RHEL source code, the
CentOS engineering process.

I personally have a Fedora machine that I keep updated and do some work
on all the time learning/testing.  I just seamlessly upgraded it from
Fedora 25 to Fedora 26 using a couple of dnf commands .. awesome
experience actually.

We don't have to pick sides here.  There is no reason not to run Fedora
alongside CentOS, it certainly allows you to understand where the next
CentOS releases will look like well before they are released.

Obviously looking at Fedora 26 and the new Modularity components will be
helpful for anyone who will be upgrading to newer RHEL or CentOS
releases in the future.

A big thank you to both Matthew and the entire Fedora team on another
quality release.  Not to mention the help that many Fedora team members
are providing in producing EPEL and also as members of the CentOS SIG
process.  All 3 of the distributions (Fedora, RHEL, CentOS) are better
because of this effort.

Thanks,
Johnny Hughes

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On 30.07.2017 14:29, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> I personally have a Fedora machine that I keep updated and do some work
> on all the time learning/testing.  I just seamlessly upgraded it from
> Fedora 25 to Fedora 26 using a couple of dnf commands .. awesome
> experience actually.
because of this feature to upgrade from one release to the next, I 
thought to test this on my old computer;
fedora itself works fine, but this upgrade from 25 to 26 broke the 
vmware workstaion completely ...
it doesn't work any more, any hints in net which could be found don't 
work ...
and this was the goal to have a linux running with vmware workstation 
instead of my old windows ...

but as it seems there is no way of achiving this ...

> Obviously looking at Fedora 26 and the new Modularity components will be
> helpful for anyone who will be upgrading to newer RHEL or CentOS
> releases in the future.
in case it is just a server this is already supported by RHEL  (from 6 to 7)

Walter

On 07/30/2017 09:41 AM, Walter H. wrote:
> On 30.07.2017 14:29, Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> I personally have a Fedora machine that I keep updated and do some work
>> on all the time learning/testing.  I just seamlessly upgraded it from
>> Fedora 25 to Fedora 26 using a couple of dnf commands .. awesome
>> experience actually.
> because of this feature to upgrade from one release to the next, I
> thought to test this on my old computer;
> fedora itself works fine, but this upgrade from 25 to 26 broke the
> vmware workstaion completely ...
> it doesn't work any more, any hints in net which could be found
don't
> work ...
> and this was the goal to have a linux running with vmware workstation
> instead of my old windows ...
> 
> but as it seems there is no way of achiving this ...
>
Looking at VMWare Workstation, it does not seem to run on Fedora at all.
It seems to run on :

    Ubuntu 16.04
    Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.1
    CentOS 7.1
    Oracle Linux 7
    openSUSE 13.2
    SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12

So, I'm not sure how it was running on Fedora 25 to get messed up by an
upgrade to Fedora 26.

> 
>> Obviously looking at Fedora 26 and the new Modularity components will
be
>> helpful for anyone who will be upgrading to newer RHEL or CentOS
>> releases in the future.
> in case it is just a server this is already supported by RHEL  (from 6
> to 7)
> 


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Johnny Hughes wrote:
> I personally have a Fedora machine that I keep updated and do some work
> on all the time learning/testing.  I just seamlessly upgraded it from
> Fedora 25 to Fedora 26 using a couple of dnf commands .. awesome
> experience actually.
Don?t get me started on Fedora updates.  One of the reasons to deprecate
Fedora was that upgrading had turned out to be unreliable and mostly
failing.  Not being able to reliably upgrade disqualifies any distribution.

On 08/02/2017 07:36 AM, hw wrote:
>
> Don?t get me started on Fedora updates.  One of the reasons to deprecate
> Fedora was that upgrading had turned out to be unreliable and mostly
> failing.  Not being able to reliably upgrade disqualifies any 
> distribution. 
I hate to break it to you, but since they began using fedup and dnf 
upgrade, it's never been an issue for me at all.  Again, alot depends on 
what packages you have installed and _from what repos_ that determines a 
lot about your upgrade experience.  Even Ubuntu LTS blows up when using 
non-standard repos.

I'll say to you what I said to someone else on this list on Monday. If 
you're not willing to deal with the warts in Fedora, then you need to go 
elsewhere.  It's really not that complicated.  Continuing to spam the 
list with psuedo-flamebait is just silly.  We're here to help with 
problems not listen to disgruntled people complain all the time.

I, personally, get far too much email as it is for people like you to 
just add more junk to it.

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Mark Haney
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