Jim Perrin
2015-Feb-11 16:07 UTC
[CentOS] Thread moderation and list etiquette (Reference - Another Fedora Decision)
Hi, The thread titled "Another Fedora Decision" is rapidly turning into a political and opinion driven flame fest that is unsuited for the CentOS mailing list. This list should try and remain focused on CentOS, what we have and keep the area sane for new users as well as old hands to participate in a fair and thoughtful conversation around the CentOS Linux platform and the CentOS project ecosystem. We are, from this point on, considering moderating all content posted to that thread. Furthermore, consider this to be a wider general request - specially to the list regulars - to be considerate and thoughtful in their responses. General 'me too' and 'yes' or 'no' type posts are not needed. Similarly, if you must correct someone, do it politely without making it into a personal attack. Finally, if content in a conversation changes from the original post - please change the thread and start a new one. -- Jim Perrin The CentOS Project | http://www.centos.org twitter: @BitIntegrity | GPG Key: FA09AD77
Brian Mathis
2015-Feb-12 16:51 UTC
[CentOS] Thread moderation and list etiquette (Reference - Another Fedora Decision)
Hi Jim, Thanks for putting in the effort here. It's never a good situation to have to moderate, but sometimes it is necessary.>From my perspective, this kind of thing happens far more often than thecurrent example, though maybe not with such intensity. This situation forces me to evaluate if replying to any message on this list is going to be worth the headache of the inevitable noise that seems to get attached to almost every thread. I can say with certainty that there are many questions that I could've provided some help on, but did not do so simply to avoid the annoyance. I think it's something people have gotten used to, and only noticed in extreme cases. CentOS is unquestionably one of the most used Linux distros in the world, and yet the mailing list is relatively quiet. To me this is a symptom of a problem, and I feel that it's partially a result of the same regular people, only be virtue of the fact that they are "regulars", acting as if this is their own personal living room instead of a public community space for collaboration and support. My ability to contribute to the CentOS community is limited. There's not much I can do as far as helping out with builds, testing, etc... so the main thing I can contribute is help and (hopefully) thoughtful discussion on the list. The current environment discourages me from that, so I tend to ignore most messages and turn my attention to other things. ? Brian Mathis @orev On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Jim Perrin <jperrin at centos.org> wrote:> Hi, > > The thread titled "Another Fedora Decision" is rapidly turning into a > political and opinion driven flame fest that is unsuited for the CentOS > mailing list. This list should try and remain focused on CentOS, what we > have and keep the area sane for new users as well as old hands to > participate in a fair and thoughtful conversation around the CentOS > Linux platform and the CentOS project ecosystem. > > We are, from this point on, considering moderating all content posted to > that thread. > > Furthermore, consider this to be a wider general request - specially to > the list regulars - to be considerate and thoughtful in their responses. > General 'me too' and 'yes' or 'no' type posts are not needed. Similarly, > if you must correct someone, do it politely without making it into a > personal attack. Finally, if content in a conversation changes from the > original post - please change the thread and start a new one. > > > > -- > Jim Perrin > The CentOS Project | http://www.centos.org > twitter: @BitIntegrity | GPG Key: FA09AD77 > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >
Les Mikesell
2015-Feb-12 18:08 UTC
[CentOS] Thread moderation and list etiquette (Reference - Another Fedora Decision)
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Brian Mathis <brian.mathis+centos at betteradmin.com> wrote:> CentOS is unquestionably one of the most used Linux distros > in the world, and yet the mailing list is relatively quiet. To me this is > a symptom of a problem, and I feel that it's partially a result of the same > regular people,I think it is generally a good thing when the bulk of the conversation here is ranting about mostly irrelevant opinions. That is, instead of 'Why doesn't this work"', or 'How do I fix this problem" that you would have if there were something fundamentally wrong with the disto. -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com
Karanbir Singh
2015-Feb-13 18:07 UTC
[CentOS] Thread moderation and list etiquette (Reference - Another Fedora Decision)
On 12/02/15 16:51, Brian Mathis wrote:> Thanks for putting in the effort here. It's never a good situation to have > to moderate, but sometimes it is necessary. > > From my perspective, this kind of thing happens far more often than the > current example, though maybe not with such intensity. This situationA large part of this is that some of the regular people are now using the list as a way to socialise and contribute 'me too' or 'yes/no' sort of comments that dont really have much relevance to the real thread. All of this not only makes the list unwelcoming to new users, it also dramatically drops the quality of conversation. If moderating is the only way to restore sanity and keep things productive for the folks bringing through conversations then so be it, we will start putting individual accounts on moderation. -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc
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