Rails - Apr 2009 - Installing Rails on Mac Leopard - Best Approach?

I know this has been asked often over the years, looking for the
latest best practice..

I''m a total mac noob, have been using windows/cygwin up until now.

Looks like the basic approaches I''ve seen so far:
 - Leave the pre-installed ruby 1.8.6 and just update the rails gem
 - Do your own full blown installation (Hivelogic tutoral)
 - Use Macports installation
 - Others??

Mac has there own tutorial on the developer site, but it requires
using XCode and I want to use TextMate, so I haven''t paid much
attention to their instructions.

Advice greatly appreciated, thanks!

Brad
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Brad A wrote:
> I know this has been asked often over the years, looking for the
> latest best practice..
> 
> I''m a total mac noob, have been using windows/cygwin up until now.
Welcome to the Mac community!  Check out 
http://www.apple.com/support/switch101/ for some useful tips.
> 
> Looks like the basic approaches I''ve seen so far:
>  - Leave the pre-installed ruby 1.8.6 and just update the rails gem
That''s what I''d advise.  There''s no reason to do it
any other way that I
can see, unless you want to try Ruby EE.

[...]
> Mac has there own tutorial on the developer site, 
No.  The company is called Apple. :)
> but it requires
> using XCode and I want to use TextMate, so I haven''t paid much
> attention to their instructions.
That''s a foolish reason to ignore it. A text editor is a text editor.

But before you blow €39 on TextMate, try jEdit (see 
http://marnen.livejournal.com for setup info) and/or TextWrangler.

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Thanks for the input.

I actually used jEdit for a few years when I first started developing
in java, but have used Eclipse now for the last 3 or 4 years.
The main reason for choosing Textmate over XCode is that there seems
to be a lot of contributions from the rails community, as far as
snippets, etc, that should make some work more effcient.

I suppose the only real reason I have for not using the Ruby version
that is already available is that it''s 1.8.6 and my deployment
environment (my hosting service), uses 1.8.7.  Not too sure if there
are any changes between versions that would be significant to me.

On Apr 17, 1:48 pm, Marnen Laibow-Koser <rails-mailing-l...@andreas-
s.net> wrote:
> Brad A wrote:
> > I know this has been asked often over the years, looking for the
> > latest best practice..
>
> > I''m a total mac noob, have been using windows/cygwin up until
now.
>
> Welcome to the Mac community!  Check
outhttp://www.apple.com/support/switch101/for some useful tips.
>
>
>
> > Looks like the basic approaches I''ve seen so far:
> >  - Leave the pre-installed ruby 1.8.6 and just update the rails gem
>
> That''s what I''d advise.  There''s no reason to do
it any other way that I
> can see, unless you want to try Ruby EE.
>
> [...]
>
> > Mac has there own tutorial on the developer site,
>
> No.  The company is called Apple. :)
>
> > but it requires
> > using XCode and I want to use TextMate, so I haven''t paid
much
> > attention to their instructions.
>
> That''s a foolish reason to ignore it. A text editor is a text
editor.
>
> But before you blow €39 on TextMate, try jEdit
(seehttp://marnen.livejournal.comfor setup info) and/or TextWrangler.
>
> Best,
> --
> Marnen Laibow-Koserhttp://www.marnen.org
> mar...-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org
> --
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On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Brad
<hashbrown1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> I suppose the only real reason I have for not using the Ruby version
> that is already available is that it''s 1.8.6 and my deployment
> environment (my hosting service), uses 1.8.7.  Not too sure if there
> are any changes between versions that would be significant to me.
I would recommend getting VMWare or equivalent and re-creating
(as closely as possible) your deployment environment on a VM.

Then you can develop natively and test-deploy to your local Linux
(assuming!) instance for integration testing before pushing out to
production.

FWIW,
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Brad wrote:
> I suppose the only real reason I have for not using the Ruby version
> that is already available is that it''s 1.8.6 and my deployment
> environment (my hosting service), uses 1.8.7.  Not too sure if there
> are any changes between versions that would be significant to me.
If that''s really a concern it''s not that hard at all to
compile and use
your own Ruby of whatever version you like. There''s a good tutorial
over
at Hivelogic. As for me I''m just using the pre-installed 1.8.6 version.

http://hivelogic.com/articles/view/ruby-rails-leopard

As for the comment earlier about "blowing" your money on TextMate, I
am
in complete disagreement. That''s the best €39 I think I''ve
ever spent on
software. I''ve used a lot of text editors and in my opinion nobody else
comes close. This is, of course, one man''s opinion. Your mileage may 
vary.
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Robert Walker wrote:
[...]
> As for the comment earlier about "blowing" your money on
TextMate, I am
> in complete disagreement. That''s the best €39 I think
I''ve ever spent on
> software.
Um, I meant "blow" in the sense of "spend irreversibly", not
in the
sense of "waste".  I know that TextMate is, by all reports, an
excellent
program.  However, I also know that a lot of Rails developers seem to 
have tunnel vision when it comes to editors, so I just wanted to point 
out a couple of free alternatives that the OP could evaluate.  Sorry if 
my choice of words was misleading.
> I''ve used a lot of text editors and in my opinion nobody else 
> comes close. This is, of course, one man''s opinion. Your mileage
may
> vary.
Then I guess I should ask: in your opinion, what makes TextMate worth 
the money?

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Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:
> Robert Walker wrote:
> [...]
>> As for the comment earlier about "blowing" your money on
TextMate, I am
>> in complete disagreement. That''s the best €39 I think
I''ve ever spent on
>> software.
> 
> Um, I meant "blow" in the sense of "spend
irreversibly", not in the
> sense of "waste".  I know that TextMate is, by all reports, an
excellent
> program.  However, I also know that a lot of Rails developers seem to 
> have tunnel vision when it comes to editors, so I just wanted to point 
> out a couple of free alternatives that the OP could evaluate.  Sorry if 
> my choice of words was misleading.
Yea, maybe my comment sounded a bit more harsh than intended. I just 
wanted to point out that there are sometimes compelling reasons to spend 
money on good software when it can make you more efficient. That is as 
opposed to using free software that just gets the job done.
> Then I guess I should ask: in your opinion, what makes TextMate worth 
> the money?
In a word, "bundles."

And, the longer form: TextMate gives me exactly what I want in a text 
editor, which is a feature set designed to help enter code. I''m not 
talking about assistance entering method names (as in code completion). 
I really care very little about that. I''m talking about getting help 
entering code without getting in my way all time with popup menus 
suggesting things it "thinks" I might want to enter (and getting it 
wrong about half the time).

Or, getting me stuck with a "beach ball" while it goes off trying to 
figure out what I might want to enter next, as is the case with the Java 
based IDE that I''m stuck with in my day job as a Java programmer.

All I can say is, download the 30 day trial of TextMate. Read the docs 
and really get to know the editor. Chances are, if you''re like most of 
use who have tried it, you''ll happily whip out that credit card to buy 
your very own copy of this wonderful editor.

I know, I sound like a TextMate salesman, but really I''m just a happy 
customer.
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Not sure if this helps, but Dan from Thoughtbot has a great guide for
getting a decent Ruby dev environment set up on Mac OS X Leopard:

http://giantrobots.thoughtbot.com/2009/3/30/2009-rubyist-guide-mac-os-x-development-environment

I''m personally not that big on vim/vi, and I only use Git for tracking
some Gems, but there are certainly some benefits to this setup. Hope
this helps!

On Apr 17, 2:23 pm, Brad A
<hashbro...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> I know this has been asked often over the years, looking for the
> latest best practice..
>
> I''m a total mac noob, have been using windows/cygwin up until now.
>
> Looks like the basic approaches I''ve seen so far:
>  - Leave the pre-installed ruby 1.8.6 and just update the rails gem
>  - Do your own full blown installation (Hivelogic tutoral)
>  - Use Macports installation
>  - Others??
>
> Mac has there own tutorial on the developer site, but it requires
> using XCode and I want to use TextMate, so I haven''t paid much
> attention to their instructions.
>
> Advice greatly appreciated, thanks!
>
> Brad
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Thanks to everyone for their input.
I decided to just use the default install of ruby and upgrade the
rails gem, plus install mysql, http://bit.ly/Z1xJA.  Still leaves open
using macports or a new complete install in the future.

I downloaded the 30 day trial of textmate and have started working
with it.  I''ve seen some screencasts showing some great stuff for ruby/
rails.  I''ll see if I can get some of that under my belt.

-Brad


On Apr 18, 8:13 am, "Billee D."
<william.dod...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> Not sure if this helps, but Dan from Thoughtbot has a great guide for
> getting a decent Ruby dev environment set up on Mac OS X Leopard:
>
> http://giantrobots.thoughtbot.com/2009/3/30/2009-rubyist-guide-mac-os...
>
> I''m personally not that big on vim/vi, and I only use Git for
tracking
> some Gems, but there are certainly some benefits to this setup. Hope
> this helps!
>
> On Apr 17, 2:23 pm, Brad A
<hashbro...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> > I know this has been asked often over the years, looking for the
> > latest best practice..
>
> > I''m a total mac noob, have been using windows/cygwin up until
now.
>
> > Looks like the basic approaches I''ve seen so far:
> >  - Leave the pre-installed ruby 1.8.6 and just update the rails gem
> >  - Do your own full blown installation (Hivelogic tutoral)
> >  - Use Macports installation
> >  - Others??
>
> > Mac has there own tutorial on the developer site, but it requires
> > using XCode and I want to use TextMate, so I haven''t paid
much
> > attention to their instructions.
>
> > Advice greatly appreciated, thanks!
>
> > Brad
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