Rails - Nov 2005 - Why default to plural controller in generate scaffold?

from ''generate scaffold'':

"If a controller name is not given, the plural form of
the model name will be used.  The model and controller
names may be given in CamelCase or under_score and
should not be suffixed with ''Model'' or
''Controller''.
Both model and controller names may be prefixed with a
module like a file path; see the Modules Example for
usage."

Isn''t this the complete opposite of the whole
singularization philosophy? I thought controllers were
supposed to be singular.

But it doesn''t work anyhow:
> generate scaffold Abc
You have a nil object when you didn''t expect it!
You might have expected an instance of Array.
The error occured while evaluating nil.include?


csn



		
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On Nov 14, 2005, at 6:25 PM, CSN wrote:
> from ''generate scaffold'':
>
> "If a controller name is not given, the plural form of
> the model name will be used.  The model and controller
> names may be given in CamelCase or under_score and
> should not be suffixed with ''Model'' or
''Controller''.
> Both model and controller names may be prefixed with a
> module like a file path; see the Modules Example for
> usage."
>
> Isn''t this the complete opposite of the whole
> singularization philosophy? I thought controllers were
> supposed to be singular.
Not sure about that.  Explain?

> But it doesn''t work anyhow:
>
>> generate scaffold Abc
> You have a nil object when you didn''t expect it!
> You might have expected an instance of Array.
> The error occured while evaluating nil.include?
This bug has been fixed in the next release.  Please specify both  
model and controller name:
   script/generate scaffold Abc Abc

jeremy

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--- Jeremy Kemper <jeremy-w7CzD/W5Ocjk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> On Nov 14, 2005, at 6:25 PM, CSN wrote:
> > from ''generate scaffold'':
> >
> > "If a controller name is not given, the plural
> form of
> > the model name will be used.  The model and
> controller
> > names may be given in CamelCase or under_score and
> > should not be suffixed with ''Model'' or
> ''Controller''.
> > Both model and controller names may be prefixed
> with a
> > module like a file path; see the Modules Example
> for
> > usage."
> >
> > Isn''t this the complete opposite of the whole
> > singularization philosophy? I thought controllers
> were
> > supposed to be singular.
> 
> Not sure about that.  Explain?
Everything I''ve read in Rails states that tables
should be singularized when creating models and
controllers, e.g. items table -> Item controller, Item
model. Seems like the default should be to create a
singular model. Or at least match the inflection of
the controller.

csn



	
		
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On 11/14/05, CSN
<cool_screen_name90001-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
>
> --- Jeremy Kemper <jeremy-w7CzD/W5Ocjk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
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> > On Nov 14, 2005, at 6:25 PM, CSN wrote:
> > > from ''generate scaffold'':
> > >
> > > "If a controller name is not given, the plural
> > form of
> > > the model name will be used.  The model and
> > controller
> > > names may be given in CamelCase or under_score and
> > > should not be suffixed with ''Model'' or
> > ''Controller''.
> > > Both model and controller names may be prefixed
> > with a
> > > module like a file path; see the Modules Example
> > for
> > > usage."
> > >
> > > Isn''t this the complete opposite of the whole
> > > singularization philosophy? I thought controllers
> > were
> > > supposed to be singular.
> >
> > Not sure about that.  Explain?
>
> Everything I''ve read in Rails states that tables
> should be singularized when creating models and
> controllers, e.g. items table -> Item controller, Item
> model. Seems like the default should be to create a
> singular model. Or at least match the inflection of
> the controller.
>
> csn
>
>
>
>
>
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While it''s true that Rails defaults would lead you to have an items
table -> Item model, I don''t believe I''ve heard anyone
apply the same
convention to controller names. As far as I''ve seen, most people seem
to use singular/plural controller names interchangeably, depending on
the specific case, and what they prefer.

Gabe

On 11/14/05, Gabe Boyer <gboyer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> On 11/14/05, CSN
<cool_screen_name90001-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> > --- Jeremy Kemper
<jeremy-w7CzD/W5Ocjk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
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> > > On Nov 14, 2005, at 6:25 PM, CSN wrote:
> > > > from ''generate scaffold'':
> > > >
> > > > "If a controller name is not given, the plural
> > > form of
> > > > the model name will be used.  The model and
> > > controller
> > > > names may be given in CamelCase or under_score and
> > > > should not be suffixed with ''Model'' or
> > > ''Controller''.
> > > > Both model and controller names may be prefixed
> > > with a
> > > > module like a file path; see the Modules Example
> > > for
> > > > usage."
> > > >
> > > > Isn''t this the complete opposite of the whole
> > > > singularization philosophy? I thought controllers
> > > were
> > > > supposed to be singular.
> > >
> > > Not sure about that.  Explain?
> >
> > Everything I''ve read in Rails states that tables
> > should be singularized when creating models and
> > controllers, e.g. items table -> Item controller, Item
> > model. Seems like the default should be to create a
> > singular model. Or at least match the inflection of
> > the controller.
> >
> > csn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> While it''s true that Rails defaults would lead you to have an
items
> table -> Item model, I don''t believe I''ve heard anyone
apply the same
> convention to controller names. As far as I''ve seen, most people
seem
> to use singular/plural controller names interchangeably, depending on
> the specific case, and what they prefer.
>
> Gabe
>
"Interchangeably" might have been a poor choice of words; that implies
someone might use both singular and plural forms to refer to the same
controller. Of course, I meant that someone might use the singular
form for one controller name (i.e. ItemsController), and the plural
form for another (i.e. BlogController).

:)

Gabe

> Of course, I meant that someone might use the singular
> form for one controller name (i.e. ItemsController), and the plural
> form for another (i.e. BlogController).
I prefer the other way around ;)
Plural   = ItemsController
Singular = BlogController

Craig
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On 11/15/05, Craig Webster <craig-07VhxHapISisTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> > Of course, I meant that someone might use the singular
> > form for one controller name (i.e. ItemsController), and the plural
> > form for another (i.e. BlogController).
>
> I prefer the other way around ;)
> Plural   = ItemsController
> Singular = BlogController
>
> Craig
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Hmm. Now that you mention it, I think I like your way better. :)

Gabe