I''m really sick of awstats, but I like the configurability, although I wish the code was more, er, code-like. I''m a week-old Rails convert, and it seems like it shouldn''t be hard at all to recreate the functionality in Rails. I''m going to have some free time this summer, and I''m thinking of doing this as my first serious app, but I don''t want to duplicate efforts. Is anyone already working on such a thing? -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that''s because I don''t have a http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler
Although I''m not busy with something like this (too much to do..) It crossed my mind several times to implement something like this. I''d be very interesting in an app like this. If I have some time to spare, I''d be willing to help out wherever possible. -- Kind Regards, Flurin Egger DigitPaint, "Maakt websites!" Maasstraat 2, 5836 BB Sambeek f.egger-c2BlD8dJSIudKNnQ2JlF7Q@public.gmane.org || http://www.digitpaint.nl/ m: 06 19434294 || t: 0485 372888 || f: 0485 362852 Jay Levitt wrote:>I''m really sick of awstats, but I like the configurability, although I >wish the code was more, er, code-like. I''m a week-old Rails convert, >and it seems like it shouldn''t be hard at all to recreate the >functionality in Rails. > >I''m going to have some free time this summer, and I''m thinking of doing >this as my first serious app, but I don''t want to duplicate efforts. Is >anyone already working on such a thing? > > >
Yeah I got stung in the awstats a couple weeks ago. That sounds like a good project, I''d be willing to help. Perhaps something that integrates with rails really well. -Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flurin Egger" <f.egger.mailings-c2BlD8dJSIudKNnQ2JlF7Q@public.gmane.org> To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Rails] Web stats app in Rails?> Although I''m not busy with something like this (too much to do..) It > crossed my mind several times to implement something like this. I''d be > very interesting in an app like this. If I have some time to spare, I''d be > willing to help out wherever possible. > > -- > Kind Regards, > > Flurin Egger > DigitPaint, "Maakt websites!" > Maasstraat 2, 5836 BB Sambeek > f.egger-c2BlD8dJSIudKNnQ2JlF7Q@public.gmane.org || http://www.digitpaint.nl/ > m: 06 19434294 || t: 0485 372888 || f: 0485 362852 > > > Jay Levitt wrote: > >>I''m really sick of awstats, but I like the configurability, although I >>wish the code was more, er, code-like. I''m a week-old Rails convert, and >>it seems like it shouldn''t be hard at all to recreate the functionality in >>Rails. >>I''m going to have some free time this summer, and I''m thinking of doing >>this as my first serious app, but I don''t want to duplicate efforts. Is >>anyone already working on such a thing? >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
> >>I''m really sick of awstats, but I like the configurability, although I > >>wish the code was more, er, code-like. I''m a week-old Rails convert, and > >>it seems like it shouldn''t be hard at all to recreate the functionality in > >>Rails. > >>I''m going to have some free time this summer, and I''m thinking of doing > >>this as my first serious app, but I don''t want to duplicate efforts. Is > >>anyone already working on such a thing?I too use awstats. What exactly is wrong with it that you''re trying to fix? I find that it works very well. It is a pain to manage all the various sites that are using it however. Surely there''s a good ruby library out there that handles parsing of the logs, so this should be easy to set up. I''d be willing to help out once a central location (trac and svn?) is set up. -- rick http://techno-weenie.net
Awstats has a huge security hole. www.cert.org Not to say that ruby wouldn''t prevent that sort of thing, I would just like to run more stuff in ruby is all. A stats program in ruby would be good for the community. I always wished I could configure awstats to read a log file with virtual hosts and break it up into many different website stats, using a custom log format. I don''t think it does that. There are a dozen other things I can think of I''d like to have, like a way to tie errors and warnings to a particular page, so you can track what pages are reporting. -Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Olson" <technoweenie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Rails] Web stats app in Rails?>> >>I''m really sick of awstats, but I like the configurability, although I >> >>wish the code was more, er, code-like. I''m a week-old Rails convert, >> >>and >> >>it seems like it shouldn''t be hard at all to recreate the functionality >> >>in >> >>Rails. >> >>I''m going to have some free time this summer, and I''m thinking of doing >> >>this as my first serious app, but I don''t want to duplicate efforts. >> >>Is >> >>anyone already working on such a thing? > > I too use awstats. What exactly is wrong with it that you''re trying > to fix? I find that it works very well. It is a pain to manage all > the various sites that are using it however. > > Surely there''s a good ruby library out there that handles parsing of > the logs, so this should be easy to set up. I''d be willing to help > out once a central location (trac and svn?) is set up. > > -- > rick > http://techno-weenie.net > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
I got bitten by Awstats. would not recomend that to anyone. I think a stats app in RoR should be _very_ succesful if it got into the whole Campaign/Network/Offer tracking with conversion included. Just my .02 cents, Adrian Madrid Jeffrey Moss wrote:> Awstats has a huge security hole. www.cert.org > Not to say that ruby wouldn''t prevent that sort of thing, I would just > like to run more stuff in ruby is all. A stats program in ruby would > be good for the community. I always wished I could configure awstats > to read a log file with virtual hosts and break it up into many > different website stats, using a custom log format. I don''t think it > does that. There are a dozen other things I can think of I''d like to > have, like a way to tie errors and warnings to a particular page, so > you can track what pages are reporting. > > -Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Olson" <technoweenie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Rails] Web stats app in Rails? > > >>> >>I''m really sick of awstats, but I like the configurability, >>> although I >>> >>wish the code was more, er, code-like. I''m a week-old Rails >>> convert, >>and >>> >>it seems like it shouldn''t be hard at all to recreate the >>> functionality >>in >>> >>Rails. >>> >>I''m going to have some free time this summer, and I''m thinking of >>> doing >>> >>this as my first serious app, but I don''t want to duplicate >>> efforts. >>Is >>> >>anyone already working on such a thing? >> >> >> I too use awstats. What exactly is wrong with it that you''re trying >> to fix? I find that it works very well. It is a pain to manage all >> the various sites that are using it however. >> >> Surely there''s a good ruby library out there that handles parsing of >> the logs, so this should be easy to set up. I''d be willing to help >> out once a central location (trac and svn?) is set up. >> >> -- >> rick >> http://techno-weenie.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Adrian Madrid HyperX Inc. Mobile: 801.815.1870 Office: 801.566.0670 aemadrid-kSB444ljgzMmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org www.hyperxmedia.com 9000 S. 45 W. Sandy, UT 84070 _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 11:50 -0700, Adrian Madrid wrote:> I got bitten by Awstats. would not recomend that to anyone. I think a > stats app in RoR should be _very_ succesful if it got into the whole > Campaign/Network/Offer tracking with conversion included. > > Just my .02 cents, > > > Adrian MadridHow exactly did you get bitten by a log parsing program? I''d recommend it to many people and I''m pretty sure none of them have been bitten by it either. Another log analyzing program would be nice... but curious as to why you wouldn''t recommend it. -Robby -- /*************************************** * Robby Russell | Owner.Developer.Geek * PLANET ARGON | www.planetargon.com * Portland, OR | robby-/Lcn8Y7Ot69QmPsQ1CNsNQ@public.gmane.org * 503.351.4730 | blog.planetargon.com * PHP, Ruby, and PostgreSQL Development * http://www.robbyonrails.com/ ****************************************/
Huge security breach. Please don''t make me explain. It''s too painful of a memory.... Adrian Madrid Robby Russell wrote:>On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 11:50 -0700, Adrian Madrid wrote: > > >>I got bitten by Awstats. would not recomend that to anyone. I think a >>stats app in RoR should be _very_ succesful if it got into the whole >>Campaign/Network/Offer tracking with conversion included. >> >>Just my .02 cents, >> >> >>Adrian Madrid >> >> > >How exactly did you get bitten by a log parsing program? I''d recommend >it to many people and I''m pretty sure none of them have been bitten by >it either. Another log analyzing program would be nice... but curious as >to why you wouldn''t recommend it. > >-Robby > > >-- Adrian Madrid HyperX Inc. Mobile: 801.815.1870 Office: 801.566.0670 aemadrid-kSB444ljgzMmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org www.hyperxmedia.com 9000 S. 45 W. Sandy, UT 84070 _______________________________________________ Rails mailing list Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
You should have separate log files for each of your virtual hosts. Then you would just run the log analyzer on each log. Set up a cron job to take care of it, and it''s not a pain at all. On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:38:15 -0700, Jeffrey Moss <jeff-61uStg5MtoFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Awstats has a huge security hole. www.cert.org > Not to say that ruby wouldn''t prevent that sort of thing, I would just like > to run more stuff in ruby is all. A stats program in ruby would be good for > the community. I always wished I could configure awstats to read a log file > with virtual hosts and break it up into many different website stats, using > a custom log format. I don''t think it does that. There are a dozen other > things I can think of I''d like to have, like a way to tie errors and > warnings to a particular page, so you can track what pages are reporting. > > -Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Olson" <technoweenie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Rails] Web stats app in Rails? > > >> >>I''m really sick of awstats, but I like the configurability, although I > >> >>wish the code was more, er, code-like. I''m a week-old Rails convert, > >> >>and > >> >>it seems like it shouldn''t be hard at all to recreate the functionality > >> >>in > >> >>Rails. > >> >>I''m going to have some free time this summer, and I''m thinking of doing > >> >>this as my first serious app, but I don''t want to duplicate efforts. > >> >>Is > >> >>anyone already working on such a thing? > > > > I too use awstats. What exactly is wrong with it that you''re trying > > to fix? I find that it works very well. It is a pain to manage all > > the various sites that are using it however. > > > > Surely there''s a good ruby library out there that handles parsing of > > the logs, so this should be easy to set up. I''d be willing to help > > out once a central location (trac and svn?) is set up. > > > > -- > > rick > > http://techno-weenie.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails mailing list > > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:15:35 -0700, Pat Maddox <pergesu-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> You should have separate log files for each of your virtual hosts. > Then you would just run the log analyzer on each log. Set up a cron > job to take care of it, and it''s not a pain at all.I have a set of logs that contain entries from many virtual hosts. However, I use IIS Log Analyzer to split them up, so it''s not an issue for me. -- rick http://techno-weenie.net
On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 11:38 -0700, Jeffrey Moss wrote:> Awstats has a huge security hole. www.cert.org*had* a security hole for people who allow it to run as a CGI. -- /*************************************** * Robby Russell | Owner.Developer.Geek * PLANET ARGON | www.planetargon.com * Portland, OR | robby-/Lcn8Y7Ot69QmPsQ1CNsNQ@public.gmane.org * 503.351.4730 | blog.planetargon.com * PHP, Ruby, and PostgreSQL Development * http://www.robbyonrails.com/ ****************************************/
It''s only when you have over 100 different virtual hosts that you realize what a pain this can be. -Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Maddox" <pergesu-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [Rails] Web stats app in Rails?> You should have separate log files for each of your virtual hosts. > Then you would just run the log analyzer on each log. Set up a cron > job to take care of it, and it''s not a pain at all. > > > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:38:15 -0700, Jeffrey Moss <jeff-61uStg5MtoFWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> > wrote: >> Awstats has a huge security hole. www.cert.org >> Not to say that ruby wouldn''t prevent that sort of thing, I would just >> like >> to run more stuff in ruby is all. A stats program in ruby would be good >> for >> the community. I always wished I could configure awstats to read a log >> file >> with virtual hosts and break it up into many different website stats, >> using >> a custom log format. I don''t think it does that. There are a dozen other >> things I can think of I''d like to have, like a way to tie errors and >> warnings to a particular page, so you can track what pages are reporting. >> >> -Jeff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rick Olson" <technoweenie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> >> To: <rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org> >> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [Rails] Web stats app in Rails? >> >> >> >>I''m really sick of awstats, but I like the configurability, although >> >> >>I >> >> >>wish the code was more, er, code-like. I''m a week-old Rails >> >> >>convert, >> >> >>and >> >> >>it seems like it shouldn''t be hard at all to recreate the >> >> >>functionality >> >> >>in >> >> >>Rails. >> >> >>I''m going to have some free time this summer, and I''m thinking of >> >> >>doing >> >> >>this as my first serious app, but I don''t want to duplicate efforts. >> >> >>Is >> >> >>anyone already working on such a thing? >> > >> > I too use awstats. What exactly is wrong with it that you''re trying >> > to fix? I find that it works very well. It is a pain to manage all >> > the various sites that are using it however. >> > >> > Surely there''s a good ruby library out there that handles parsing of >> > the logs, so this should be easy to set up. I''d be willing to help >> > out once a central location (trac and svn?) is set up. >> > >> > -- >> > rick >> > http://techno-weenie.net >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rails mailing list >> > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >> > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails mailing list >> Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org >> http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >> > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
Might be a bit of a diversion from what sounds like a log-analyzer.. but something that would essentially deconstruct queries to show performance issues would be fantastic. Developers could strap it onto their apps. I don''t know enough about connection pooling etc to know if this is really feasable.. but walking through a request and response with times and then seeing aggregate reports on this type of thing would be fantastic. Additionally, for usability testing and so on, the ability to cleanly see the ''path'' users take through your application graphically would be amazing. Information visualization is something I''m very interested in, so if you look to go down this sort of route be sure to give me a heads up. Kevin http://kevin.is-a-geek.net
> Additionally, for usability testing and so on, the ability to cleanly > see the ''path'' users take through your application graphically would > be amazing. Information visualization is something I''m very interested > in, so if you look to go down this sort of route be sure to give me a > heads up.I think this is a fantastic idea. A directed cyclic graph or something might be a useful visualization (maybe ala RGL: http://rubyforge.org/projects/rgl/ ?). Perhaps the weight or color of the edge would indicate frequency.
In article <424851DE.1060506-kSB444ljgzMmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>, aemadrid-kSB444ljgzMmlAP/ +Wk3EA-XMD5yJDbdMReXY1tMh2IBg@public.gmane.org says...> I think a > stats app in RoR should be _very_ succesful if it got into the whole > Campaign/Network/Offer tracking with conversion included.Could you elaborate on this? I''m not familiar with the terminology, although it sounds vaguely similar to the way we used to track marketing campaign signups at AOL... -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that''s because I don''t have a http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler
On 29/03/2005, at 8:23 AM, Belorion wrote:>> Additionally, for usability testing and so on, the ability to cleanly >> see the ''path'' users take through your application graphically would >> be amazing. Information visualization is something I''m very interested >> in, so if you look to go down this sort of route be sure to give me a >> heads up. > > I think this is a fantastic idea. A directed cyclic graph or > something might be a useful visualization (maybe ala RGL: > http://rubyforge.org/projects/rgl/ ?). Perhaps the weight or color of > the edge would indicate frequency.Human friendly configurations and logging would be the real killer feature to allow much more meaningful reporting, combined with the visualisation. For example you could have a statistics.rb which the developer defines as: class MyStats > ActiveStats::Stats action :label => "Added item to cart", :controller => "cart", :action => "add", :data => "item_id" entry :label => "Google adword advertisement", :controller => "seo", :action => "google", :data => "ad_id" entry :label => "Google.com search", :referrer => "http://www.google.com/search?q=(.*)" end The user of the stats engine could then ask such questions as: - how many visitors came from google ad 1 and added an item to their cart - how many visitors came from google ad 1 and added item 5 to their cart - how many visitors came from any google ad and added an item to their cart - compare the number of people who added an item to their cart for google ad1 and 3 It should also transparently integrate with external log files for stats for the static pages (e.g. page cached content). Out of the box we can support a whole bunch of referrers and logging of all actions. - tim lucas
On 29/03/2005, at 11:10 AM, Jay Levitt wrote:> In article <424851DE.1060506-kSB444ljgzMmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>, > aemadrid-kSB444ljgzMmlAP/ > +Wk3EA-XMD5yJDbdMReXY1tMh2IBg@public.gmane.org says... >> I think a >> stats app in RoR should be _very_ succesful if it got into the whole >> Campaign/Network/Offer tracking with conversion included. > > Could you elaborate on this? I''m not familiar with the terminology, > although it sounds vaguely similar to the way we used to track > marketing > campaign signups at AOL...Yep I think he''s referring to tracking marketing efforts. Marketers have their own needs which I think would be better served by a separate Marketing module, though it could use the ActiveStats engine to gather its data. Marketers may want to augment ActiveStats with other data sources, such as offline marketing efforts, seasonal statistics etc when doing their comparisons and reports. - tim lucas
In article <48fe25b0503281024178a038e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>, technoweenie- Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w-XMD5yJDbdMReXY1tMh2IBg@public.gmane.org says...> I too use awstats. What exactly is wrong with it that you''re trying > to fix?Well, (a) it''s slow. (b) it seems to just stop running if I try to use SkipFiles. (c) it''s a real pain to create static pages for multiple config files. (d) the code is such a nightmare that, despite being open source, and despite in theory having a (meager) plugin interface, it''s essentially unmodifiable. (e) it''s not very configurable. The built-in custom report feature is fairly useless. (f) there''s no central repository for bots, so it''s difficult to exclude them from stats. (g) any significant change in the config (e.g. SkipHosts) requires completely reprocessing all logs from scratch to show results. (h) no built-in anti-spam features, though I''ve borrowed a referrer-log cleaner patch that sort-of-works. (i) no real support from the sole developer, and contributed patches are rarely accepted. That''s just off the top of my head. -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that''s because I don''t have a http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler
What I do at work is track, as you well guessed it, traffic coming from networks (google, etc), campaigns (freesample, etc) and offers (sample01, etc). Coupling tha with your shopping cart you can tell what your conversion rate is and all that jazz. AEM On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:10:09 -0500, Jay Levitt <jay-news-WxwZQdyI2t0@public.gmane.org> wrote:> In article <424851DE.1060506-kSB444ljgzMmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org >, aemadrid-kSB444ljgzMmlAP/ > +Wk3EA-XMD5yJDbdMReXY1tMh2IBg@public.gmane.org says... > > I think a > > stats app in RoR should be _very_ succesful if it got into the whole > > Campaign/Network/Offer tracking with conversion included. > > Could you elaborate on this? I''m not familiar with the terminology, > although it sounds vaguely similar to the way we used to track marketing > campaign signups at AOL... > > -- > Jay Levitt | > Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only > Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that''s because I don''t have a > http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler > > _______________________________________________ > Rails mailing list > Rails-1W37MKcQCpIf0INCOvqR/iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org > http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails >-- Adrian Esteban Madrid aemadrid-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:01:54 -0500, Jay Levitt <jay-news-WxwZQdyI2t0@public.gmane.org> wrote:> In article <48fe25b0503281024178a038e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>, technoweenie- > Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w-XMD5yJDbdMReXY1tMh2IBg@public.gmane.org says... > > I too use awstats. What exactly is wrong with it that you''re trying > > to fix? > > Well, > > (a) it''s slow. > > (b) it seems to just stop running if I try to use SkipFiles. > > (c) it''s a real pain to create static pages for multiple config files. > > (d) the code is such a nightmare that, despite being open source, and > despite in theory having a (meager) plugin interface, it''s essentially > unmodifiable. > > (e) it''s not very configurable. The built-in custom report feature is > fairly useless. > > (f) there''s no central repository for bots, so it''s difficult to exclude > them from stats. > > (g) any significant change in the config (e.g. SkipHosts) requires > completely reprocessing all logs from scratch to show results. > > (h) no built-in anti-spam features, though I''ve borrowed a referrer-log > cleaner patch that sort-of-works. > > (i) no real support from the sole developer, and contributed patches are > rarely accepted. > > That''s just off the top of my head.Good list. Is anything being done with this at the moment? This is sounding pretty interesting. -- rick http://techno-weenie.net
I''d hope that this goes somewhere.. I''ve looked a bit and haven''t seen anything like this for free. I''m going to be super busy with work and writing up a coop report for the next few weeks.. but from mid April through the rest of the summer I might have some time to spare. Kevin
In article <48fe25b05032916266c501811-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>, technoweenie- Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w-XMD5yJDbdMReXY1tMh2IBg@public.gmane.org says...> Good list. Is anything being done with this at the moment? This is > sounding pretty interesting.School ends the first week in May for me. I may or may not have time to write a manifesto before then, but if nothing else I''ll definitely set up a Rubyforge project once the semester ends. Jay -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that''s because I don''t have a http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler
I''m very interested in this.. keep me posted with how it goes. I''m pretty heavily committed to other projects, but this is something I''d want to use, and have thought about how it would work quite a bit. The big trick is how to define the nodes of such a graph. It will be different for every application I think. Giving the developer control of a ''point of interest'' (ie. failed login screen, checkout screen, etc) specific to their application might be the best /easiest way of doing this. I love the idea of thicker bars describing more flow from one place to another. See the map of Napolean''s march on Tufte''s site: http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/ Rock on. Kevin http://kevin.is-a-geek.net On Mar 28, 2005 5:23 PM, Belorion <belorion-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Additionally, for usability testing and so on, the ability to cleanly > > see the ''path'' users take through your application graphically would > > be amazing. Information visualization is something I''m very interested > > in, so if you look to go down this sort of route be sure to give me a > > heads up. > > I think this is a fantastic idea. A directed cyclic graph or > something might be a useful visualization (maybe ala RGL: > http://rubyforge.org/projects/rgl/ ?). Perhaps the weight or color of > the edge would indicate frequency. >