I want to use xen in my home notebook to manage various linux debian vm one for each user. My users use graphics windows manager like gnome and kde. Do you think that using xen in paravirtualized mode my users can use kde o gnome without any problem?
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Mauro <mrsanna1@gmail.com> wrote:> I want to use xen in my home notebook to manage various linux debian > vm one for each user. > My users use graphics windows manager like gnome and kde. > Do you think that using xen in paravirtualized mode my users can use > kde o gnome without any problem?How would your "users" access your notobook? Anyway, yes, it''s possible. But you''d be better of having them using a remote gui client (e.g. nx, rdesktop) to access their desktop instead of using xen''s vnc frame buffer. And I suggest you list what you need first. Really, using a notebook for other users to access is not a best option. While Xen - the open osurce hypervisor that can be installed on top of a normal linux distro - is suitable for many purposes, it''s not really newbie-friendly right now. If it''s just for you to test various distros, virtualbox might be better. If it''s a virtual-desktop-type server enviroment, xen server or vmware esxi is much easier to manage. -- Fajar
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Andrew Wells" <agwells0714@gmail.com> Date: Jan 29, 2012 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Vm instead a real desktop. To: "Fajar A. Nugraha" <list@fajar.net> I think what he wants is for users to be using the machine physically. But each user segregated by a vm. On Jan 29, 2012 4:46 PM, "Fajar A. Nugraha" <list@fajar.net> wrote:> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Mauro <mrsanna1@gmail.com> wrote: > > I want to use xen in my home notebook to manage various linux debian > > vm one for each user. > > My users use graphics windows manager like gnome and kde. > > Do you think that using xen in paravirtualized mode my users can use > > kde o gnome without any problem? > > How would your "users" access your notobook? > > Anyway, yes, it''s possible. But you''d be better of having them using a > remote gui client (e.g. nx, rdesktop) to access their desktop instead > of using xen''s vnc frame buffer. > > And I suggest you list what you need first. Really, using a notebook > for other users to access is not a best option. While Xen - the open > osurce hypervisor that can be installed on top of a normal linux > distro - is suitable for many purposes, it''s not really > newbie-friendly right now. > > If it''s just for you to test various distros, virtualbox might be > better. If it''s a virtual-desktop-type server enviroment, xen server > or vmware esxi is much easier to manage. > > -- > Fajar > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
i did something similar with windows when vt-d first came out. i had a box with 4 domains with kb/mouse/vga passthrough to each domain and it worked pretty well On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Andrew Wells <agwells0714@gmail.com> wrote:> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Andrew Wells" <agwells0714@gmail.com> > Date: Jan 29, 2012 8:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Vm instead a real desktop. > To: "Fajar A. Nugraha" <list@fajar.net> > > I think what he wants is for users to be using the machine physically. But > each user segregated by a vm. > On Jan 29, 2012 4:46 PM, "Fajar A. Nugraha" <list@fajar.net> wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Mauro <mrsanna1@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I want to use xen in my home notebook to manage various linux debian >> > vm one for each user. >> > My users use graphics windows manager like gnome and kde. >> > Do you think that using xen in paravirtualized mode my users can use >> > kde o gnome without any problem? >> >> How would your "users" access your notobook? >> >> Anyway, yes, it''s possible. But you''d be better of having them using a >> remote gui client (e.g. nx, rdesktop) to access their desktop instead >> of using xen''s vnc frame buffer. >> >> And I suggest you list what you need first. Really, using a notebook >> for other users to access is not a best option. While Xen - the open >> osurce hypervisor that can be installed on top of a normal linux >> distro - is suitable for many purposes, it''s not really >> newbie-friendly right now. >> >> If it''s just for you to test various distros, virtualbox might be >> better. If it''s a virtual-desktop-type server enviroment, xen server >> or vmware esxi is much easier to manage. >> >> -- >> Fajar >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xen-users mailing list >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:54 AM, chris <tknchris@gmail.com> wrote:> i did something similar with windows when vt-d first came out. i had a box > with 4 domains with kb/mouse/vga passthrough to each domain and it worked > pretty wellTrue, that would be very useful, but I don''t know of any notebook which supports vt-d :) -- Fajar> > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Andrew Wells <agwells0714@gmail.com> wrote: >> I think what he wants is for users to be using the machine physically. But >> each user segregated by a vm. >> >> On Jan 29, 2012 4:46 PM, "Fajar A. Nugraha" <list@fajar.net> wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Mauro <mrsanna1@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > I want to use xen in my home notebook to manage various linux debian >>> > vm one for each user. >>> > My users use graphics windows manager like gnome and kde. >>> > Do you think that using xen in paravirtualized mode my users can use >>> > kde o gnome without any problem? >>> >>> How would your "users" access your notobook? >>> >>> Anyway, yes, it''s possible. But you''d be better of having them using a >>> remote gui client (e.g. nx, rdesktop) to access their desktop instead >>> of using xen''s vnc frame buffer. >>> >>> And I suggest you list what you need first. Really, using a notebook >>> for other users to access is not a best option. While Xen - the open >>> osurce hypervisor that can be installed on top of a normal linux >>> distro - is suitable for many purposes, it''s not really >>> newbie-friendly right now. >>> >>> If it''s just for you to test various distros, virtualbox might be >>> better. If it''s a virtual-desktop-type server enviroment, xen server >>> or vmware esxi is much easier to manage.
On 30 January 2012 02:21, Andrew Wells <agwells0714@gmail.com> wrote:> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Andrew Wells" <agwells0714@gmail.com> > Date: Jan 29, 2012 8:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Vm instead a real desktop. > To: "Fajar A. Nugraha" <list@fajar.net> > > I think what he wants is for users to be using the machine physically. But > each user segregated by a vm.Yes that exactly what I want.
Hi, On Mon, Jan 30, Fajar A. Nugraha wrote:> True, that would be very useful, but I don''t know of any notebook > which supports vt-d :)the lenovo z61m does for example, but it is a 32bit system. -- Best regards Dieter Bloms -- I do not get viruses because I do not use MS software. If you use Outlook then please do not put my email address in your address-book so that WHEN you get a virus it won''t use my address in the From field.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Mauro <mrsanna1@gmail.com> wrote:> On 30 January 2012 02:21, Andrew Wells <agwells0714@gmail.com> wrote: >> I think what he wants is for users to be using the machine physically. But >> each user segregated by a vm. > > Yes that exactly what I want.Hmmm ... not sure what the best option is. If all of them are linux (or to be precise any OS that use X, like linux/solaris), I think you should be able to run them headless on a VM (Xen, virtualbox, whatever, use whichever you''re familiar with), and enable xdmcp server on the guest OS. After that, setup the X greeter on dom0/host to run as XDMCP browser/chooser (use Google if you don''t know how). I tried something similar recently (in my case it was natty-gnome vs oneiric-kde), using linux containers (lxc), and it works just fine. IIRC even the desktop effects are working. -- Fajar