Hi everybody, I was just wondering if there is a DRM (Digital Right Management) solution to use with ogg vorbis. Any information welcomed. Thanx Chris <p>--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
At 01:27 PM 8/12/02 +0200, you wrote:> Hi everybody, I was just wondering if there is a DRM (Digital Right >Management) solution to use with ogg vorbis. Any information welcomed. >Thanx ChrisThe vorbis comment header is flexible, and can be used for specifying any distribution terms you wish to. Fortunately, there is no way to enforce this. Please don't cross-post to multiple mailing lists or send HTML mail Michael --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Monday 12 August 2002 13:27, Christophe BOUEV wrote:> Hi everybody, > > I was just wondering if there is a DRM (Digital Right Management) > solution to use with ogg vorbis. Any information welcomed.Well, ISTR someone having made Windows DirectShow filters. I don't know anything about WIndows really, but perhaps you could embed Vorbis audio in a WMF file that way, and use its DRM facilities? Just a wild idea. Lourens -- GPG public key: http://home.student.utwente.nl/l.e.veen/lourens.key --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-dev-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 01:27:39PM +0200, Christophe BOUEV wrote:> Hi everybody, > > I was just wondering if there is a DRM (Digital Right Management) solution to use with ogg vorbis. > Any information welcomed.I liked FLAC's (imho humorous ;) approach to "DRM": """ What FLAC is not: <snip> * SDMI compliant, et cetera. There is no intention to support any methods of copy protection, which are, for all practical purposes, a complete waste of bits. (Another way to look at it is that since copy protection is futile, it really carries no information, so you might say FLAC already losslessly compresses all possible copy protection information down to zero bits!) Of """ --> Same goes for Ogg, currently performs "perfect compression" on DRM stuff. """ course, we can't stop what some misguided person does with proprietary meta-data blocks, but then again, non-proprietary decoders will skip them anyway. """ Sorry, I don't have much more that I can contribute to the subject. ;) (And I don't intend to argue for or against DRM, just tried to make an "interesting" contribution.) Hugo van der Merwe --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
At 1:27 PM +0200 8/12/02, Christophe BOUEV wrote:>I was just wondering if there is a DRM (Digital Right Management) >solution to use with ogg vorbis. >Any information welcomed.Please don't perpetuate use of the term "DRM." "DRM" is a propaganda term invented by Big Media, which is trying to grab more privileges for itself than it otherwise would have by calling them "rights." They are no such thing. The proper term for such technology is "copy prevention," which has been tried once already with software and was a miserable failure in the marketplace because users absolutely don't want it and because it places undue restrictions on free speech. Users are familiar with the term "copy prevention," know what it represents, and oppose it. Big Media invented the spin term "DRM" to try and get copy prevention in under users' radar by couching it in the language of freedom. -- Chris -- Chris Hanson | Email: cmh@bDistributed.com bDistributed.com, Inc. | Phone: +1-847-372-3955 Making Business Distributed | Fax: +1-847-589-3738 http://bdistributed.com/ | Personal Email: cmh@mac.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 13:27, Christophe BOUEV wrote:> I was just wondering if there is a DRM (Digital Right Management) solution to use with > ogg vorbis. Any information welcomed.The answer, as you have probably seen on the list is no, and no thanks. Anyway, if you want to implement such a thing, do it on the Ogg stream level so the same solution can be used for all Ogg files including Ogg Theora and Ogg Tarkin. Doing it specifically for Vorbis won't make anyone happy. Linus Walleij --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.