Hi Has anybody done THD or THD-N measurements with the CELT Codec (bext would be on various bit rates) If someone could share results for Mono at 64kBit and Stereo at 128 and 196kBit it would be great. thank you very much Jochen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/opus/attachments/20100817/b1da17cc/attachment-0002.htm
Hi, Measurements like THD (along with SNR and frequency response) belong to the analog world. They are not adequate for describing most forms of digital processing -- and especially not codecs. What you want is perceptual quality tests -- that's all that matters. Cheers, Jean-Marc On 10-08-17 09:26 AM, Jochen Kilian wrote:> Hi > > Has anybody done THD or THD-N measurements with the CELT Codec (bext > would be on various bit rates) > If someone could share results for Mono at 64kBit and Stereo at 128 and > 196kBit it would be great. > > thank you very much > Jochen > > > > _______________________________________________ > celt-dev mailing list > celt-dev at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/celt-dev
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jochen Kilian <jochen.kilian at gmail.com> Date: 2010/8/18 Subject: Re: [CELT-dev] Total Harmonic Distortion THD To: Jean-Marc Valin <jean-marc.valin at usherbrooke.ca> Hi, Thanks for the clarification, understood. So the only measure we have is the perceptual audio quality? Which are the most recent comparisons you have. Looking at the celt_euspico report I wonder if the comparison was made with the - low complexity version or not - fixed point version or not if not are there major differences in quality for the low complexity and the fixed point version? Another question I have is if you ever compared the Codec to the APT-X codec which is used for Bluetooth wireless headsets. Thanks Jochen 2010/8/18 Jean-Marc Valin <jean-marc.valin at usherbrooke.ca> Hi,> > Measurements like THD (along with SNR and frequency response) belong to the > analog world. They are not adequate for describing most forms of digital > processing -- and especially not codecs. What you want is perceptual quality > tests -- that's all that matters. > > Cheers, > > Jean-Marc > > > On 10-08-17 09:26 AM, Jochen Kilian wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Has anybody done THD or THD-N measurements with the CELT Codec (bext >> would be on various bit rates) >> If someone could share results for Mono at 64kBit and Stereo at 128 and >> 196kBit it would be great. >> >> thank you very much >> Jochen >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> celt-dev mailing list >> celt-dev at xiph.org >> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/celt-dev >> >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/opus/attachments/20100818/173ee8a7/attachment-0001.htm
Hi, On 10-08-18 03:50 AM, Jochen Kilian wrote:> So the only measure we have is the perceptual audio quality?Yes. After all, that's what you want in the end, isn't it? SNR and THD may be indications of quality when your system is entirely analog, but when things get more complex (as they do in codecs), actually listening to the audio is the only thing you can do.> Which are the most recent comparisons you have. > Looking at the celt_euspico report I wonder if the comparison was made > with the > - low complexity version or not > - fixed point version or notThe comparisons were made with the low-complexity version (I recently got rid of the high complexity one anyway) in floating point. Note that the fixed-point version should have the same quality as the floating point.> if not are there major differences in quality for the low complexity and > the fixed point version?No (see above).> Another question I have is if you ever compared the Codec to the APT-X > codec which is used for Bluetooth wireless headsets.AFAIK, Bluetooth uses SBC, not APT-X. In any case, CELT is designed for lower bit-rates than SBC and APT-X. So using rates like 64 kb/s per channel, I would expect CELT to sound better. At very high bitrates (>128 kb/s per channel), I have no idea how they would compare since CELT is already transparent to my ears. Note that this is based on the little information I know of APT-X and SBC since I've never actually listened to these. I would encourage you do to some listening for yourself to get an opinion. Cheers, Jean-Marc> Thanks > Jochen > > > 2010/8/18 Jean-Marc Valin <jean-marc.valin at usherbrooke.ca > <mailto:jean-marc.valin at usherbrooke.ca>> > > Hi, > > Measurements like THD (along with SNR and frequency response) belong > to the analog world. They are not adequate for describing most forms > of digital processing -- and especially not codecs. What you want is > perceptual quality tests -- that's all that matters. > > Cheers, > > Jean-Marc > > > On 10-08-17 09:26 AM, Jochen Kilian wrote: > > Hi > > Has anybody done THD or THD-N measurements with the CELT Codec (bext > would be on various bit rates) > If someone could share results for Mono at 64kBit and Stereo at 128 and > 196kBit it would be great. > > thank you very much > Jochen > > > > _______________________________________________ > celt-dev mailing list > celt-dev at xiph.org <mailto:celt-dev at xiph.org> > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/celt-dev > >