http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050512.html interesting comment this week about the Xbox - any intelligent thoughts here? I know the price point puts it above most users Asterisk outlay (I run mine on a $100 P3 -800) But interesting to see what happens if people start running video conferencing etc on their home asterisk servers, and lets face it where else can you buy this kind of subsidized processing power from at that price. Cheers, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20050516/2b10b6e0/attachment.htm
I didn't read the whole article, but with the known ways of getting the xBox to boot into your favorite *nix kernel (just google a bit), it just sounds like an easy way to get your favorite game to pause when the phone rings. On 5/16/05, Dean Collins <Dean@collins.net.pr> wrote:> > > > http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050512.html > > > > interesting comment this week about the Xbox ? any intelligent thoughts > here? > > > > I know the price point puts it above most users Asterisk outlay (I run mine > on a $100 P3 -800) > > > > But interesting to see what happens if people start running video > conferencing etc on their home asterisk servers, and lets face it where else > can you buy this kind of subsidized processing power from at that price. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Dean > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > >
Although getting Linux running on the XBox sounds easy - it's not. In particular, if you get a ver 1.6 box you will be hard pressed to get Linux installed. Be prepared to spend $ on a boot chip, a replacement DVD drive (unless you are lucky to get one of the samsung drives), an upgraded hard disk (10gb doesn't hold a lot of voice mail), etc. All in, you will spend $500. For that money you can go to Best Buy and get a returned/open box PC with more horsepower. Mike ________________________________ From: Dean Collins [mailto:Dean@collins.net.pr] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:40 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] xbox asterisk? http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050512.html interesting comment this week about the Xbox - any intelligent thoughts here? I know the price point puts it above most users Asterisk outlay (I run mine on a $100 P3 -800) But interesting to see what happens if people start running video conferencing etc on their home asterisk servers, and lets face it where else can you buy this kind of subsidized processing power from at that price. Cheers, Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/attachments/20050516/0a48bce5/attachment.htm
> interesting comment this week about the Xbox ? any intelligent thoughts > here?Semi-intelligent: xbox, as with any pc hardware, is commoditized to the point of absurdity. The shift of the pc industry has changed from hardware driving the industry forward, to software, and specifically IP (Intellectual Property) in the form of specific functionality (Skype, for example is more Hype than Tech, but it is a more or less recognizable and bankable name brand. Ditto Napster,Itunes, sort of.) The hardware simply becomes the medium. Hardware these days is simply meatspace TCP/IP to deliver services that the meat will spend money on. Microsoft and Sony are pursuing the console platform as a means of delivery for next-gen services, ostensibly as a means of delivering a better gaming experience. Xbox Live is a means for Microsoft to shake out how such a service will work. Seems to me, the guy that delivers 50 to 100 million consoles with an Ethernet port and a hard drive to north american households will automatically have a huge premade installed base for any other service they choose to market on that console. Microsoft has *not* gone after the guys who ran arbitrary code on xbox thru the buffer overrun in the James Bond game and later put out the modchips as much as they *could* have, because they want to learn more about how the best and brightest minds reverse engineer encryption down at the bus level, and take those lessons and apply them to Xbox 360, make it so tight that there's no way anyone will be able to run arbitrary code on it. Other lessons, you will see when the console is released. It will be smaller. It will run cooler. There will be decent controllers. They will stop using crappy Mitsumi drives that flake out. One thing Microsoft is absolutely brilliant at, is taking a turd and polishing it until it shines (precedent and disclaimer: I bought MS Access 2.0 / I own an xbox) Now, let's see: An industry giant, markets a console that they loose tons of money on. They don't seem to care, which is unlike them, because Microsoft cutting bait is legion (BOB, Cairo, WinFS, I could go on for days) instead, they come out with ANOTHER box that they will loose even MORE money on. It will be as good as, or better than Cell, run on broadband, and locked up internally tighter than Warren Buffet's sphincter before he announces a full point rate hike. Oh yeah, it also happens to be a kick ass PC. That runs on your TV. And only Microsoft code (or duly appointed licensees) will run on it. And everyone in North America will have one. Unlike 3Com's stupid fantasizing about Audrey, the games on the Xbox will make people *want* to have one. This is probably the best way to stage your service rollout. You have a captive audience, with hardware they already own, which is not a specific purpose console, but a general purpose turing machine that just *happens* to run games. They *know* how to do an online service, with lessons learned from Xbox Live. They *know* how to mess with reverse-engineering attempts, so they can lock out any attempt at running any code that they don't get a piece of. At that point, you come out with your entire service offering. VoIP? check. Tivo? check. Movies on demand? check. MSN portal? check. Need Word for a weekend? check. All for $14.95 a month X installed base = lots of dough coming in for little effort outlaid. No boxes. No shrinkwrap. No CD's. Just bits going from 1 server to 1 box, that'll be $2.99 please. I hate to say it, but it's pretty damned smart. PS I read somewhere that Mark has Asterisk running on his Xbox with USB FXO adapters. Good luck on the 360, though.
Yep, Cringley pointed out that MS delivering quasi pc's was the end game here. Delivering a true voice service over this is obviously on the cards. Then delivering asp payg services is only 1 step removed. Hopefully google will come along with their net based office competition. Dean> -----Original Message----- > From: asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users- > bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Colin Anderson > Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 7:30 PM > To: 'C F'; 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] xbox asterisk? > > > > interesting comment this week about the Xbox - any intelligentthoughts> > here? > > Semi-intelligent: > > xbox, as with any pc hardware, is commoditized to the point ofabsurdity.> The shift of the pc industry has changed from hardware driving the > industry > forward, to software, and specifically IP (Intellectual Property) inthe> form of specific functionality (Skype, for example is more Hype thanTech,> but it is a more or less recognizable and bankable name brand. Ditto > Napster,Itunes, sort of.) The hardware simply becomes the medium.Hardware> these days is simply meatspace TCP/IP to deliver services that themeat> will > spend money on. Microsoft and Sony are pursuing the console platformas a> means of delivery for next-gen services, ostensibly as a means of > delivering > a better gaming experience. Xbox Live is a means for Microsoft toshake> out > how such a service will work. Seems to me, the guy that delivers 50 to100> million consoles with an Ethernet port and a hard drive to northamerican> households will automatically have a huge premade installed base forany> other service they choose to market on that console. Microsoft has*not*> gone after the guys who ran arbitrary code on xbox thru the bufferoverrun> in the James Bond game and later put out the modchips as much as they > *could* have, because they want to learn more about how the best and > brightest minds reverse engineer encryption down at the bus level, and > take > those lessons and apply them to Xbox 360, make it so tight thatthere's no> way anyone will be able to run arbitrary code on it. Other lessons,you> will > see when the console is released. It will be smaller. It will runcooler.> There will be decent controllers. They will stop using crappy Mitsumi > drives > that flake out. One thing Microsoft is absolutely brilliant at, istaking> a > turd and polishing it until it shines (precedent and disclaimer: Ibought> MS > Access 2.0 / I own an xbox) > > Now, let's see: An industry giant, markets a console that they loosetons> of > money on. They don't seem to care, which is unlike them, becauseMicrosoft> cutting bait is legion (BOB, Cairo, WinFS, I could go on for days) > instead, > they come out with ANOTHER box that they will loose even MORE moneyon. It> will be as good as, or better than Cell, run on broadband, and lockedup> internally tighter than Warren Buffet's sphincter before he announcesa> full > point rate hike. Oh yeah, it also happens to be a kick ass PC. Thatruns> on > your TV. And only Microsoft code (or duly appointed licensees) willrun on> it. And everyone in North America will have one. Unlike 3Com's stupid > fantasizing about Audrey, the games on the Xbox will make people*want* to> have one. > > This is probably the best way to stage your service rollout. > > You have a captive audience, with hardware they already own, which isnot> a > specific purpose console, but a general purpose turing machine thatjust> *happens* to run games. They *know* how to do an online service, with > lessons learned from Xbox Live. They *know* how to mess with > reverse-engineering attempts, so they can lock out any attempt atrunning> any code that they don't get a piece of. At that point, you come outwith> your entire service offering. VoIP? check. Tivo? check. Movies ondemand?> check. MSN portal? check. Need Word for a weekend? check. All for$14.95 a> month X installed base = lots of dough coming in for little effort > outlaid. > No boxes. No shrinkwrap. No CD's. Just bits going from 1 server to 1box,> that'll be $2.99 please. > > I hate to say it, but it's pretty damned smart. > > PS I read somewhere that Mark has Asterisk running on his Xbox withUSB> FXO > adapters. Good luck on the 360, though. > > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
lol meant Allan Greenspan! damn, totally blew that joke like Jay Leno. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick M. Gray, Jr. [mailto:patgrayjr@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:59 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] xbox asterisk? In the interest of factual correctness, Warren Buffet, much to his chagin, does not get to set interest rates! Quoting Colin Anderson <ColinA@landmarkmasterbuilder.com>:> they come out with ANOTHER box that they will loose even MORE money on. It > will be as good as, or better than Cell, run on broadband, and locked up > internally tighter than Warren Buffet's sphincter before he announces afull> point rate hike._______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users