Hi All Just received my first 7905G from a distributer here in Sweden. According to the spec this phone should be able to use SIP. Now I been looking on Ciscos home pages for several hours trying to find a "SIP image" for this phone. No luck at all, need special access to be able to download software to this phone. Is it the fact, that I have to pay for a contract of some kind to be able to use this phone with SIP and *. This was the first product we bought from Cisco... and maybe the last. rgds Gunnar Andersson
See my post of a few moments ago and you have hit on the exact reason I will not use Cisco beyond my firewall (a purchase you will never regret if you need a good firewall). Cisco makes arguably some of (if not totally) the best equipment out there. I just have one problem. Their licensing model is such that you can buy their product, at a premium price too mind you, ant then you have to pay MUCH extra for a support contract just to get images and just about everything else you need. That lead me to alternatives. Polycom, SNOM, Grandstream are just a few and each good based upon certain criteria (price vs. looks vs. performance, etc, etc). My personal choice is Polycom. Polycom IP300 phones are excellent if you do not need speaker phone. IP500 is excellent with all the features you may want. Go to the IP600 and you get a minibrowser though the benefit is arguable. My IP500s perform extremely well and the featureset is excellent. As before, phone choice is very preferential and what I like may be totally hated by someone else. However, in my opinion, the dollar/performance/presentation ration of these phones is excellent. Not to mention that the SIP images are available online as released instead of regulated the same way Cisco is. I just cannot bring myself to pay the Cisco premium for hardware then have to give them even more money for the things I need to make THEIR hardware work right. That would just seems like Cisco is sticking it to me too much... $0.02 Wiley PS. I have done my best to express that this is MY preference so be sure to weight all the opinions you find. Many have extremely good results using the Cisco phones and can justify the cost thusly. My enterprise just isn't built on that large a budget. -----Original Message----- From: Gunnar Andersson [mailto:gunnar@jmg.se] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:58 PM To: Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco 7905G Hi All Just received my first 7905G from a distributer here in Sweden. According to the spec this phone should be able to use SIP. Now I been looking on Ciscos home pages for several hours trying to find a "SIP image" for this phone. No luck at all, need special access to be able to download software to this phone. Is it the fact, that I have to pay for a contract of some kind to be able to use this phone with SIP and *. This was the first product we bought from Cisco... and maybe the last. rgds Gunnar Andersson _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer
A completely valid point you make... Just remember to multiply that 8 dollars times the number of phones times the number of years you need to have them in service.... Extend that to the other Cisco items you need to maintain and purchase and the costs keeps rising.... Mine is just a simple observation regarding the costs of being a Cisco customer. Like I said, it is about preference and budgeting... Even if I only save $300 dollars a year from using alternatives to Cisco in my enterpise (switches, firewalls, phones, etc), it is still $300. Usually, the $ saved from finding comparable products at lower prices also benefit my overall budget since Cisco tends to be a premium price. Like I said... I won't disparage Cisco products in any way. They are barring none, some of the best out there. I just prefer a different licensing model for my enterprise and find that I can get comparable performance by alternatives. If anyone has the budget and desire, they would be well served by any Cisco product they purchase. It is just not my choice... Thus my disclaimer in the footer of the last post. Cheers, Wiley -----Original Message----- From: Michael Loftis [mailto:mloftis@wgops.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:47 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco 7905G I'm pretty sure SMARTnet on the VoIP phones is like $8/phone/year....Most orgs spend more than that per person on electricity for CRTs. --On Tuesday, September 21, 2004 15:25 -0700 "Wiley E. Siler" <wsiler@e2020inc.com> wrote:> See my post of a few moments ago and you have hit on the exact reason > I will not use Cisco beyond my firewall (a purchase you will never > regret if you need a good firewall). Cisco makes arguably some of (if> not > totally) the best equipment out there. I just have one problem. > > Their licensing model is such that you can buy their product, at a > premium price too mind you, ant then you have to pay MUCH extra for a > support contract just to get images and just about everything else you> need. That lead me to alternatives. Polycom, SNOM, Grandstream are > just a few and each good based upon certain criteria (price vs. looks > vs. performance, etc, etc). > > My personal choice is Polycom. Polycom IP300 phones are excellent if > you do not need speaker phone. IP500 is excellent with all the > features you may want. Go to the IP600 and you get a minibrowser > though the benefit is arguable. My IP500s perform extremely well and > the featureset is excellent. > > As before, phone choice is very preferential and what I like may be > totally hated by someone else. However, in my opinion, the > dollar/performance/presentation ration of these phones is excellent. > Not to mention that the SIP images are available online as released > instead of regulated the same way Cisco is. I just cannot bring > myself to pay the Cisco premium for hardware then have to give them > even more money for the things I need to make THEIR hardware work > right. That would just seems like Cisco is sticking it to me toomuch...> > $0.02 > > Wiley > > PS. I have done my best to express that this is MY preference so be > sure to weight all the opinions you find. Many have extremely good > results using the Cisco phones and can justify the cost thusly. My > enterprise just isn't built on that large a budget. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gunnar Andersson [mailto:gunnar@jmg.se] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:58 PM > To: Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco 7905G > > Hi All > > Just received my first 7905G from a distributer here in Sweden. > According to the spec this phone should be able to use SIP. Now I been> looking on Ciscos home pages for several hours trying to find a "SIP > image" for this phone. > No luck at all, need special access to be able to download software to> this phone. Is it the fact, that I have to pay for a contract of some > kind to be able to use this phone with SIP and *. > This was the first product we bought from Cisco... and maybe the last. > > rgds > > Gunnar Andersson > > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or > other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this > information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient > is prohibited. 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No worries. You are totally right that $8 bucks is pretty neglibable for that service. Your comment about the vendor made me think of a fellow I recently helped with his * who resells Cisco. His company is called TekSavers and they have the phone that started this email (Cisco 7905G) for $95. I haven't a clue if that is a good price but your comment made me think of his site. http://www.teksavers.com I don't know if that will be of use but I just thought I would pass it on in case there are any items out there that are priced good. Cheers, Wiley -----Original Message----- From: Michael Loftis [mailto:mloftis@wgops.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 4:42 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Cisco 7905G --On Tuesday, September 21, 2004 15:58 -0700 "Wiley E. Siler" <wsiler@e2020inc.com> wrote:> A completely valid point you make... > > Just remember to multiply that 8 dollars times the number of phones > times the number of years you need to have them in service.... > Extend that to the other Cisco items you need to maintain and purchase> and the costs keeps rising.... > Mine is just a simple observation regarding the costs of being a Cisco> customer. > > Like I said, it is about preference and budgeting... > Even if I only save $300 dollars a year from using alternatives to > Cisco in my enterpise (switches, firewalls, phones, etc), it is still$300.> Usually, the $ saved from finding comparable products at lower prices > also benefit my overall budget since Cisco tends to be a premiumprice.> > Like I said... I won't disparage Cisco products in any way. They are > barring none, some of the best out there. > I just prefer a different licensing model for my enterprise and find > that I can get comparable performance by alternatives. > If anyone has the budget and desire, they would be well served by any > Cisco product they purchase. > > It is just not my choice... Thus my disclaimer in the footer of the > last post.Ohhno, I'm not grilling you or anything Wiley, just pointing out that for many orgs the $8/mo wouldn't be too bad considering the level of support they'd receive. For some it's not worth it, and that's totally understandable. We each have our own priorities to consider. I simply wanted to mention the actual cost involved in case anyone thought that it was some really absurd per-phone price. My biggest problem still remains finding competent resellers where I can buy the phones from.> > Cheers, > Wiley_______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer