asterisk users - May 2004 - Wiki TOS - worrying for an open source project?

Hi there,

I've made a couple of small contributions to the wiki but recently I
read the Terms of service, they are pretty draconian:

LICENSE AND SITE ACCESS

voip-info.org grants you a limited license to access and make personal
use of this site.  This license does not include any resale or
commercial use of this site or its contents.  Without express written
consent of voip-info.org you may not:

     Download (other than page caching), or modify this site.

     Reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, resell, visit or use for other
commercial purposes this site or any portion thereof.

     Use frames or framing techniques to enclose this site or any
portion thereof for commercial purposes.

     Use meta tags or other 'hidden text'  utilizing voip-info.org's
name or trademarks.

Any unauthorized use terminates the permission or license granted by
voip-info.org.

and later on:

When you enter content into any area of this web site, unless stated
otherwise, you grant voip-info.org and its affiliates a nonexclusive,
royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable right to
use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative
works from, distribute, and display such content throughout the world in
any media.

The wiki is a great resource and I'm very grateful that the
infrastructure for it has been provided, but I worry about these terms.
Would anyone linked to the wiki care to comment on the reason for them?
A  creative commons license would still allow you to publish a book
based on the submissions, if that is the intent.

What worries me most is that the current terms seem crafted so as to
ensure that should the people who run voip-info ever decide to remove
content, or stop hosting the wiki, it couldn't be mirrored anywhere else.

regards,

Julien

> I've made a couple of small contributions to the wiki but recently I
> read the Terms of service, they are pretty draconian:
>      Download (other than page caching), or modify this site.
>
>      Reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, resell, visit or use for other
> commercial purposes this site or any portion thereof.
>
>      Use frames or framing techniques to enclose this site or any
> portion thereof for commercial purposes.
>
>      Use meta tags or other 'hidden text'  utilizing
voip-info.org's
> name or trademarks.
>
> Any unauthorized use terminates the permission or license granted by
> voip-info.org.
Sounds pretty damned decent to me so far...
> When you enter content into any area of this web site, unless stated
> otherwise, you grant voip-info.org and its affiliates a nonexclusive,
> royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable right to
> use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative
> works from, distribute, and display such content throughout the world in
> any media.
This is generally implied with any forum or newsgroup -- It's just restating
what the above list said: you can't post publically and then turn around and
sue voip-info.org for doing something with that information.  

You will note it said "NONexclusive ... right" -- they're not
saying the
information belongs to them, they are saying that the information is in the 
public domain.
> What worries me most is that the current terms seem crafted so as to
> ensure that should the people who run voip-info ever decide to remove
> content, or stop hosting the wiki, it couldn't be mirrored anywhere
else.
Untrue.  Their terms about relinking or republishing are for COMMERCIAL use, 
unless I'm misreading something here.

Regards,
Andrew

Hi!
> I've made a couple of small contributions to the wiki but recently I
> read the Terms of service, they are pretty draconian:
>  [...]
> What worries me most is that the current terms seem crafted so as to
> ensure that should the people who run voip-info ever decide to remove
> content, or stop hosting the wiki, it couldn't be mirrored anywhere
> else. 
I share your concerns, should have looked at the terms earlier - so "Arte 
Marketing" can at any moment run away with all my contributions and close 
the site, and the only currently workable documentation for Asterisk is 
lost ... !? 

Cheers, Philipp

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Wiki TOS - worrying for an open sourceproject?To add to
the previous information I am receiving error messages on the phones that
say:

[5]28/5/2004 11:20:26: Match challenge for user=9991110035, realm=asterisk,

valid=all:

[2]28/5/2004 11:20:26: Registrar 9991110035@ast.ipphone.telrite.com refused

with code 407

[5]28/5/2004 11:20:26: No nonce found on response

[2]28/5/2004 11:20:26: Registrar 9991110035@ast.ipphone.telrite.com refused

with code 401

Does anyone know what these 407 and 401 errors are?

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Brian J. Rathman [mailto:brian@ilk.com]
  Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:28 AM
  To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
  Subject: [Asterisk-Users] SIP Registration Problem


  I am using snom200 phones registering with Asterisk via SIP. I can see
where the phone registers without a problem, and then when you try and make
a call I get a proxy authentication required message on the phone and failed
to authenticate user error in the Asterisk messages file. Then the next call
you make from the phone goes through without a problem. Nothing changes
between these two events, but it is almost like the phone is using two
different passwords for the same account. Has anyone else seen a problem
like this? I am using an Asterisk CVS version from early March, not sure if
upgrading will help as well.

  Thanks,
  Brian


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> From: Steven Critchfield <critch@basesys.com>
> The other part is that a wiki is really unmirrorable using normal
> methods of mirroring a site. You need to just run the same software and
> have the database behind it mirrored. I'm sure if the wiki is running a
> new enough version of mysql, and the admin is willing, you could set up
> a mirror of the database and then set up a full on replication. Mysql
> supposedly supports replication, might want to put it to some use.
> -- 
I don't know who is hosting the Wiki right now, but we are willing to either
host the Wiki as a mirror, or be a mysql replication mirror.  We are using
mysql replication
right now to replicate amongst three servers for our RADIUS and other hosted
apps and it works
very well.

We also do daily backups of the "master" mysql server to an offsite
location.

We would do this free of charge, of course.  We are using asterisk as a
media
gateway with Digiums TE405P cards and we appreciate the work that is going
into Asterisk.

Contact matthew@txlink.net or 972-617-2877

yours,
Matthew Simpson
TxLink Communications