hi, everybody
i want construct the saas of cloud computing with xcp+hadoop, that's
ok?
if it's ok, then how to do it？ ｔｈｅ installation step like the folloing?
:install linux, then install hadoop, at last install the xcp?
thanks for any advice
2011-07-26
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2011/7/26 59497363 <59497363@qq.com>:> hi, everybody > > i want construct the saas of cloud computing with xcp+hadoop, that''s > ok? >Yes.> > if it''s ok, then how to do it？ ｔｈｅ installation step like the folloing? > :install linux, then install hadoop, at last install the xcp? >Install XCP. Create Linux VM. Install Hadoop on Linux VM. Thanks, Todd -- Todd Deshane http://www.linkedin.com/in/deshantm http://www.xen.org/products/cloudxen.html http://runningxen.com/ _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
2011/7/26 59497363 <59497363@qq.com>> ** > hi, everybody > > i want construct the saas of cloud computing with xcp+hadoop, that''s > ok? >Ok by me, tho I think you should really familiarize your self with XCP and whole concept of cloud computing before deploying anything, just a suggestion. Just saying this because there is no install xcp, do this, do that and now you are on your way providing reliable cloud platform for your customers. Well, I quess there are "do this and do that" (plenty of do that''s) and after that you are done, like in anything that can be done but if there actually is some kind of universal easy to deliver how-to for cloud platform, I''ve yet to come in contact with it.> > if it''s ok, then how to do it？ ｔｈｅ installation step like the folloing? > :install linux, then install hadoop, at last install the xcp? >I think it''s ok, but I doubt that there will ever be answer to your question that actually would help you. Well, actually what Todd said is answer to your question, but I doubt that you are any closer to your SaaS goal. One could and many propably have written books about individual components of "cloud", so it would be really hard to answer your question. What I''m trying to say is, that XCP is just one component of the "cloud platform". Besides having computer nodes availeable for your virtual machines, you need a shared storage (iscsi, nfs, etc.) if you plan to be able to move live instances and do pretty much all the "cloud stuff" with XCP. And just to clarify, XCP it self isn''t and doesn''t contain the fancy web page you can access using your favourite browser to create virtual machines and manage them. You need some sort of tool to do that also. You could have openstack manage your XCP cluster(s), you could have vpn access to your management network and use XenCenter to manage the instances, you could have some web interface that you your self developed or many other options. And we haven''t even touched networking, backup''s, disaster recovery, scaling and those easy and hard to predict problems that are always going to be there, when you are combining such a huge amount of different technologies. This is not to say that it can''t be done or that you couldn''t do it. I''m just saying that I would be really impressed if some one could answer your question with a simple posting.> > thanks for any advice >Hope something I said helps.> > 2011-07-26 > ------------------------------ > 59497363 > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
2011/7/30 59497363 <59497363@qq.com>> ** > thanks for you advice very much. > your mean is that: in order to construct the saas, in additon to the > xcp(olny a tool provided the management the cloud plantform)， we should use > a number of others tools to manage the cloud platform such as openstack, > XenCenter,vpn, envn include the tools for backup''s, disaster recovery etc. >well I didn''t actually say that. I said you could use some of those or other tools to manage xcp. You could ofcourse (very bad idea, extremely bad idea) also have your xcp machines management interface on a public internet, ssh in and use command line tools. OR you could have VM that you ssh into and then use ssh from there to reach your dom0 machines. OR you could have vpn you log into that provides you access to the private management network. See where I''m going with this? There are plenty of ways to achieve the same thing. Many of them are dangerous done wrong. Backup''s are not obsolete because of cloud. If you want to be deploy any application resposibly, you need to have some kind of strategy for the backups. "cloud" doesn''t change this in any way, atleast that''s what I think.> > but i had read the xcp adminstator guid, we can manage the cloud > platfrom to complete the vast majority of the function you hava tallde > above by using the xco command line tools > weather we need other tools? or they are olny aided tools? >You can use command line tools to manage xcp cluster, but many times it is more convenient to provide some sort of web interface. Would you for example give your customers root access to your dom0, so that he can manage his own virtual machines? I''m not saying that it would even be needed in your scenario, it was just an example.> and my further question is: how to access my windows os in the vm in the > resouce pool of the xcp, the access means: using the matlab of the > windows os, visual studion 2008 of the windwos etc. > using the virtual desktop technology can solve my question? >Well some of the tools that provide you the ability to create, copy, clone, move, start, stop and so on, provide you concole access. For example xenCenter includes vnc client. Or you could have vnc (or some other) server running on the windows VM. I haven''t done any desktop virtualisation, so I''m not the best person to give you more instructions on that.> 2011-07-30 > ------------------------------ > 59497363 > ------------------------------ > *发件人：* Henrik Andersson > *发送时间：* 2011-07-30 12:12:30 > *收件人：* 59497363 > *抄送：* xen-users; Samuli Samuli > *主题：* Re: [Xen-users] constuct saas with xcp+hadoop > > > 2011/7/26 59497363 <59497363@qq.com> > >> ** >> hi, everybody >> >> i want construct the saas of cloud computing with xcp+hadoop, that''s >> ok? >> > > Ok by me, tho I think you should really familiarize your self with XCP and > whole concept of cloud computing before deploying anything, just a > suggestion. Just saying this because there is no install xcp, do this, do > that and now you are on your way providing reliable cloud platform for your > customers. Well, I quess there are "do this and do that" (plenty of do > that''s) and after that you are done, like in anything that can be done but > if there actually is some kind of universal easy to deliver how-to for cloud > platform, I''ve yet to come in contact with it. > > >> >> if it''s ok, then how to do it？ ｔｈｅ installation step like the folloing? >> :install linux, then install hadoop, at last install the xcp? >> > > I think it''s ok, but I doubt that there will ever be answer to your > question that actually would help you. Well, actually what Todd said is > answer to your question, but I doubt that you are any closer to your SaaS > goal. One could and many propably have written books about individual > components of "cloud", so it would be really hard to answer your question. > > What I''m trying to say is, that XCP is just one component of the "cloud > platform". Besides having computer nodes availeable for your virtual > machines, you need a shared storage (iscsi, nfs, etc.) if you plan to be > able to move live instances and do pretty much all the "cloud stuff" with > XCP. > > And just to clarify, XCP it self isn''t and doesn''t contain the fancy web > page you can access using your favourite browser to create virtual machines > and manage them. You need some sort of tool to do that also. You could have > openstack manage your XCP cluster(s), you could have vpn access to your > management network and use XenCenter to manage the instances, you could have > some web interface that you your self developed or many other options. > > And we haven''t even touched networking, backup''s, disaster recovery, > scaling and those easy and hard to predict problems that are always going to > be there, when you are combining such a huge amount of different > technologies. > > This is not to say that it can''t be done or that you couldn''t do it. I''m > just saying that I would be really impressed if some one could answer your > question with a simple posting. > > > >> >> thanks for any advice >> > > Hope something I said helps. > >> >> 2011-07-26 >> ------------------------------ >> 59497363 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Xen-users mailing list >> Xen-users@lists.xensource.com >> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users >> > >_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Just to let you know what I am doing.
Right now we are running about 80 VM’s across 10 Dom0’s on Xen 3.4.3.
I plan on bringing up XCP and Hadoop for my own applications.
We have all of the hardware, SAN, switches, blade centers, etc.
I estimate that this project will take close to a year to bring this to a
production status, also we have close to 100k in hardware that will be
necessary. Though we have most of that hardware here already.
My advice to you would be to start with operating Xen systems and get good at
that before you get over your head with XCP. There is a lot to know about Xen
and even more with XCP and Hadoop.
This is not for the faint of heart!
I hope that you are a technical giant because there is no cook book for any of
this.
Good luck,
Todd
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Subject: Re: [Xen-users] constuct saas with xcp+hadoop
2011/7/26 59497363 <59497363@qq.com>
hi, everybody
i want construct the saas of cloud computing with xcp+hadoop,
that''s ok?
Ok by me, tho I think you should really familiarize your self with XCP and whole
concept of cloud computing before deploying anything, just a suggestion. Just
saying this because there is no install xcp, do this, do that and now you are on
your way providing reliable cloud platform for your customers. Well, I quess
there are "do this and do that" (plenty of do that''s) and
after that you are done, like in anything that can be done but if there actually
is some kind of universal easy to deliver how-to for cloud platform,
I''ve yet to come in contact with it.
if it''s ok, then how to do it？ ｔｈｅ installation step like the
folloing? :install linux, then install hadoop, at last install the xcp?
I think it''s ok, but I doubt that there will ever be answer to your
question that actually would help you. Well, actually what Todd said is answer
to your question, but I doubt that you are any closer to your SaaS goal. One
could and many propably have written books about individual components of
"cloud", so it would be really hard to answer your question.
What I''m trying to say is, that XCP is just one component of the
"cloud platform". Besides having computer nodes availeable for your
virtual machines, you need a shared storage (iscsi, nfs, etc.) if you plan to be
able to move live instances and do pretty much all the "cloud stuff"
with XCP.
And just to clarify, XCP it self isn''t and doesn''t contain the
fancy web page you can access using your favourite browser to create virtual
machines and manage them. You need some sort of tool to do that also. You could
have openstack manage your XCP cluster(s), you could have vpn access to your
management network and use XenCenter to manage the instances, you could have
some web interface that you your self developed or many other options.
And we haven''t even touched networking, backup''s, disaster
recovery, scaling and those easy and hard to predict problems that are always
going to be there, when you are combining such a huge amount of different
technologies.
This is not to say that it can''t be done or that you couldn''t
do it. I''m just saying that I would be really impressed if some one
could answer your question with a simple posting.
thanks for any advice
Hope something I said helps.
2011-07-26
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