Xen users - Dec 2006 - Install a VM''s OS from Installation Source

I have looked hi and low for some detailed, Linux novice level 
information on how to do this.

I have Xen installed using SUSE 10.2 amd64.   I have no problems booting 
into Xen. 

I would like to create 3 guest VMs, all Suse 10.2 amd64. 

Where should I start?  And thanks in advance.


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You may try this tutorial, it has some good examples for creating a
domU.  Its for debian, but probably not much different than Suse.
http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_sarge_xen_3.0.3

Adam

On 12/18/06, Thomas Miller <tmiller@bss-software.com>
wrote:
> I have looked hi and low for some detailed, Linux novice level
> information on how to do this.
>
> I have Xen installed using SUSE 10.2 amd64.   I have no problems booting
> into Xen.
>
> I would like to create 3 guest VMs, all Suse 10.2 amd64.
>
> Where should I start?  And thanks in advance.
>
>
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Adam Tybor wrote:
> You may try this tutorial, it has some good examples for creating a
> domU.  Its for debian, but probably not much different than Suse.
> http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_sarge_xen_3.0.3
>
> Adam
>
> On 12/18/06, Thomas Miller <tmiller@bss-software.com> wrote:
>> I have looked hi and low for some detailed, Linux novice level
>> information on how to do this.
>>
>> I have Xen installed using SUSE 10.2 amd64.   I have no problems
booting
>> into Xen.
>>
>> I would like to create 3 guest VMs, all Suse 10.2 amd64.
>>
>> Where should I start?  And thanks in advance.
>>
>
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Thanks for the source.  Excellent.

My question is this.

debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /vserver/vm_base/ 
http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian

Specfically the location it is looking for the source to install on the 
VM disk (http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian).  Is there a way to make the 
install look at the source files I already have on my local disk?  Do I 
need to do something to prep them locally to install properly?

Thanks.

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Thomas Miller wrote:
> I have looked hi and low for some detailed, Linux novice level 
> information on how to do this.
>
> I have Xen installed using SUSE 10.2 amd64.   I have no problems 
> booting into Xen.
> I would like to create 3 guest VMs, all Suse 10.2 amd64.
> Where should I start?  And thanks in advance.
>
>
Grab the RPM''s from www.xensource.com and install a Dom0 kernel and the
Xen software itself on your machine. Then go hunting for the 
documentation, which does not seemto be in the devel package or iin 
another RPM. It''s a lot safer than having to build your own.

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On 18 Dec 2006 at 21:02, Thomas Miller wrote:
> I have looked hi and low for some detailed, Linux novice level 
> information on how to do this.
> 
> I have Xen installed using SUSE 10.2 amd64.   I have no problems booting 
> into Xen. 
> 
> I would like to create 3 guest VMs, all Suse 10.2 amd64. 
> 
> Where should I start?  And thanks in advance.
What is your question? Should we tell you what you want?
OK, you want to read the administrator GUIDE available as HTML and PDF ;-)

Regards,
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Hi,

Thomas Miller wrote:
> I have looked hi and low for some detailed, Linux novice level
> information on how to do this.
>
> I have Xen installed using SUSE 10.2 amd64.   I have no problems
> booting into Xen.
> I would like to create 3 guest VMs, all Suse 10.2 amd64.
> Where should I start?  And thanks in advance.
If you really have no idea where to start take a look at the SuSE Docs.
There is a part, which does describe the installation via Yast. Should
work fine in your case as you just want to install SuSE guests.

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Ulrich Windl wrote:
> On 18 Dec 2006 at 21:02, Thomas Miller wrote:
>
>   
>> I have looked hi and low for some detailed, Linux novice level 
>> information on how to do this.
>>
>> I have Xen installed using SUSE 10.2 amd64.   I have no problems
booting
>> into Xen. 
>>
>> I would like to create 3 guest VMs, all Suse 10.2 amd64. 
>>
>> Where should I start?  And thanks in advance.
>>     
>
> What is your question? Should we tell you what you want?
> OK, you want to read the administrator GUIDE available as HTML and PDF ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Ulrich
>   
Yep been there don that.  It doesn''t speak to this issue.  It explains 
how to install from CD/DVD and from and FTP source, but not from the OS 
sources already on the hard disk.  If no one wants to help me with this, 
then I will stop asking and just assume you can''t do it. 

My motivation is several for being so persistent.

#1  I am giving a talk on VMs (both VMWare and Xen) at my users group 
meeting in Feb and would like to be prepared
#2  
http://en.opensuse.org/How_to_Install_a_VM%27s_OS_from_Installation_Source    
is blank.  If I am to write up this section for the wiki, I want to make 
sure that I am accurate
#3  Yast in 10.2 does not work and the help docs in this area is poor at 
best.  If I can figure this all out, I am hopeful to give the Yast 
programmers more info on why it is failing so it can be fixed for the 
next guy.  (I have already done this for the Samba wizard and I am 
hopeful it will be working properly in the next release).

If you experts would prefer I give up on the above efforts, more then 
happy to. 

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On 19 Dec 2006 at 9:44, Thomas Miller wrote:
> Ulrich Windl wrote:
> > On 18 Dec 2006 at 21:02, Thomas Miller wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> I have looked hi and low for some detailed, Linux novice level 
> >> information on how to do this.
> >>
> >> I have Xen installed using SUSE 10.2 amd64.   I have no problems
booting
> >> into Xen. 
> >>
> >> I would like to create 3 guest VMs, all Suse 10.2 amd64. 
> >>
> >> Where should I start?  And thanks in advance.
> >>     
> >
> > What is your question? Should we tell you what you want?
> > OK, you want to read the administrator GUIDE available as HTML and PDF
;-)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ulrich
> >   
> Yep been there don that.  It doesn''t speak to this issue.  It
explains
> how to install from CD/DVD and from and FTP source, but not from the OS 
> sources already on the hard disk.  If no one wants to help me with this, 
If you have copied your DVD to elsewhere, just add "elsewhere" as
installation
source. I don''t have 10.2 yet, but in 10.1 it worked like that. And
it''s not
related to XEN, do you agree?
> then I will stop asking and just assume you can''t do it. 
Calm down: So far, you have not told us what problem you are having exactly.
Starting to insult people here does not help you. I''m sure a lot of
people will
discuss your problems in-depth for 150 Euro per hour if you prefer a
professional
service. ;-)
> 
> My motivation is several for being so persistent.
> 
> #1  I am giving a talk on VMs (both VMWare and Xen) at my users group 
> meeting in Feb and would like to be prepared
But you don''t expect us to prepare you, do you?
> #2  
> http://en.opensuse.org/How_to_Install_a_VM%27s_OS_from_Installation_Source
> is blank.  If I am to write up this section for the wiki, I want to make 
> sure that I am accurate
AFAIK it''s a WIKI. Just put your comments there (discussion page, e.g.)
> #3  Yast in 10.2 does not work and the help docs in this area is poor at 
> best.  If I can figure this all out, I am hopeful to give the Yast 
Then use https://bugzilla.novell.com and tell them, not us.
> programmers more info on why it is failing so it can be fixed for the 
> next guy.  (I have already done this for the Samba wizard and I am 
> hopeful it will be working properly in the next release).
> 
> If you experts would prefer I give up on the above efforts, more then 
> happy to. 
???

Regards,
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Tom, 

xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com wrote on 20.12.2006 08:44:39:
> On 19 Dec 2006 at 9:44, Thomas Miller wrote:
> 
> > #2 
> > 
http://en.opensuse.org/How_to_Install_a_VM%27s_OS_from_Installation_Source 
> > is blank.  If I am to write up this section for the wiki, I want to 
make 
> > sure that I am accurate
> 
> AFAIK it''s a WIKI. Just put your comments there (discussion page,
e.g.)
> 
you may reload the page ;-)

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Gerhard Possler wrote:
>
>
> Tom,
>
> xen-users-bounces@lists.xensource.com wrote on 20.12.2006 08:44:39:
>
> > On 19 Dec 2006 at 9:44, Thomas Miller wrote:
> >
> > > #2  
> > > 
> http://en.opensuse.org/How_to_Install_a_VM%27s_OS_from_Installation_Source 
>
> > > is blank.  If I am to write up this section for the wiki, I want 
> to make
> > > sure that I am accurate
> >
> > AFAIK it''s a WIKI. Just put your comments there (discussion
page, e.g.)
> >
>
> you may reload the page ;-)
>
> http://en.opensuse.org/How_to_Install_a_VM%27s_OS_from_Installation_Source 
>
>
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You must have an install server. You may setup the install server using 
the YaST Module Install-Server or if not available an HTTP repository 
(apache) like this:

Thank you.  This has not been spelled out any place I have looked.  This 
is why I am having such a big problem.  I assumed if the source was on 
the disk it would figure it all out on its own.  I will work on setting 
up an install repository and get back to you and update the page as I 
glean more on the process.

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Ulrich Windl wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2006 at 9:44, Thomas Miller wrote:
>
>   
>> Ulrich Windl wrote:
>>     
>>> On 18 Dec 2006 at 21:02, Thomas Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> I have looked hi and low for some detailed, Linux novice level 
>>>> information on how to do this.
>>>>
>>>> I have Xen installed using SUSE 10.2 amd64.   I have no
problems booting
>>>> into Xen. 
>>>>
>>>> I would like to create 3 guest VMs, all Suse 10.2 amd64. 
>>>>
>>>> Where should I start?  And thanks in advance.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> What is your question? Should we tell you what you want?
>>> OK, you want to read the administrator GUIDE available as HTML and
PDF ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ulrich
>>>   
>>>       
>> Yep been there don that.  It doesn''t speak to this issue.  It
explains
>> how to install from CD/DVD and from and FTP source, but not from the OS
>> sources already on the hard disk.  If no one wants to help me with
this,
>>     
>
> If you have copied your DVD to elsewhere, just add "elsewhere" as
installation
> source. I don''t have 10.2 yet, but in 10.1 it worked like that.
And it''s not
> related to XEN, do you agree?
>   
The fact that the wizard doesn''t work no, the fact that I am having a 
general problem finding any good information on the subject, wizard or 
otherwise, yes.
>   
>> then I will stop asking and just assume you can''t do it. 
>>     
>
> Calm down: So far, you have not told us what problem you are having
exactly.
> Starting to insult people here does not help you. I''m sure a lot
of people will
> discuss your problems in-depth for 150 Euro per hour if you prefer a
professional
> service. ;-)
>   
No you haven''t and I wouldn''t hire you anyway.  Secondly, I am
involved
in 3 open source projects and new users are treated much better then 
they are here.
>   
>> My motivation is several for being so persistent.
>>
>> #1  I am giving a talk on VMs (both VMWare and Xen) at my users group 
>> meeting in Feb and would like to be prepared
>>     
>
> But you don''t expect us to prepare you, do you?
>
>   
Yes, I do.  I help people prepare for talks all the time on subjects I 
am an expert on.  I give free training session at our local users group 
all the time.  I give away free development efforts on two other open 
source projects all the time.
>> #2  
>>
http://en.opensuse.org/How_to_Install_a_VM%27s_OS_from_Installation_Source
>> is blank.  If I am to write up this section for the wiki, I want to
make
>> sure that I am accurate
>>     
>
> AFAIK it''s a WIKI. Just put your comments there (discussion page,
e.g.)
>
>   
????
>> #3  Yast in 10.2 does not work and the help docs in this area is poor
at
>> best.  If I can figure this all out, I am hopeful to give the Yast 
>>     
>
> Then use https://bugzilla.novell.com and tell them, not us.
>
>   
This is a bug, but I am missing a step, I can "feel" it and there 
doesn''t seem to be any documentation on the subject anywhere.  I have 
looked for the better part of two weeks.
>> programmers more info on why it is failing so it can be fixed for the 
>> next guy.  (I have already done this for the Samba wizard and I am 
>> hopeful it will be working properly in the next release).
>>
>> If you experts would prefer I give up on the above efforts, more then 
>> happy to. 
>>     
I am surprised you waste your time on this list at all without getting paid.

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Thomas Miller wrote:
> The fact that the wizard doesn''t work no, the fact that I am
having a
> general problem finding any good information on the subject, wizard or
> otherwise, yes.
What "good information" are you looking for?  I''m sure you
can tell us.
 I''m sure we can point you to it.  Then, can you STFU and read the
documentation?
>> Calm down: So far, you have not told us what problem you are having
exactly.
>> Starting to insult people here does not help you. I''m sure a
lot of people will
>> discuss your problems in-depth for 150 Euro per hour if you prefer a
professional
>> service. ;-)
>>   
> No you haven''t and I wouldn''t hire you anyway.  Secondly,
I am involved
> in 3 open source projects and new users are treated much better then
> they are here.
Ignoring the whole "doesn''t make any sense at all" bit
regarding the
logical flow the conversation...  Maybe they are treated better because
only pussies use Delphi? :)
>>> #3  Yast in 10.2 does not work and the help docs in this area is
poor at
>>> best.  If I can figure this all out, I am hopeful to give the Yast 
>>>     
>>
>> Then use https://bugzilla.novell.com and tell them, not us.
>>
>>   
> This is a bug, but I am missing a step, I can "feel" it and there
> doesn''t seem to be any documentation on the subject anywhere.  I
have
> looked for the better part of two weeks.
You can''t figure out a wizard, but you''re the master of the
universe?
If there''s a bug in a distro''s wizard, don''t bother
asking here.  Nobody
will probably be able to help, anyway.

BTW, your bad attitude is inflaming the situation and dragging down the
general attitude of the list, along with other people who ask stupid
questions and make posts about things that have little to do with the
general usage of Xen (like Fedora specific things, SuSE specific things,
etc.)  When you are directed to the documentation, it''s _actually_
probably there.  Hundreds of people didn''t just magically get it
working
by smelling a fart.  If you can''t find it, ask an intelligent question
in an intelligent way.

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Christopher G. Stach II wrote:
> What "good information" are you looking for?  I''m sure
you can tell us.
>  I''m sure we can point you to it.  Then, can you STFU and read the
> documentation?
>   
Thanks for proving my point
> Ignoring the whole "doesn''t make any sense at all" bit
regarding the
> logical flow the conversation...  Maybe they are treated better because
> only pussies use Delphi? :)
>
>   
Twice.

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