Hi all I''ve now got Xen (mostly) working but am wondering how to recover from domU crashing. I type ''xm create -c vm1'', vm1 starts to boot then kernel panics and all I can do is the 3 finger salute to dom0. Is there a better way? Thanks Colin Coe ************************************************************************ Bunnings Legal Disclaimer: 1) This email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose or use the information contained in it. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the document. 2) All emails sent to and sent from Bunnings Group Limited. are scanned for content. Any material deemed to contain inappropriate subject matter will be reported to the email administrator of all parties concerned. ************************************************************************ _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
OK, I figured out the bleedingly obvious, switch to another virtual console and ''xm destroy vm1''. CC -----Original Message----- From: Colin Coe [mailto:CCoe@bunnings.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 20 December 2005 10:46 AM To: ''xen-users@lists.xensource.com'' Subject: [Xen-users] How to recover from crashed domU? Hi all I''ve now got Xen (mostly) working but am wondering how to recover from domU crashing. I type ''xm create -c vm1'', vm1 starts to boot then kernel panics and all I can do is the 3 finger salute to dom0. Is there a better way? Thanks Colin Coe ************************************************************************ Bunnings Legal Disclaimer: 1) This email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose or use the information contained in it. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the document. 2) All emails sent to and sent from Bunnings Group Limited. are scanned for content. Any material deemed to contain inappropriate subject matter will be reported to the email administrator of all parties concerned. ************************************************************************ _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users ************************************************************************ Bunnings Legal Disclaimer: 1) This email is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose or use the information contained in it. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return email and delete the document. 2) All emails sent to and sent from Bunnings Group Limited. are scanned for content. Any material deemed to contain inappropriate subject matter will be reported to the email administrator of all parties concerned. ************************************************************************ _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 10:09:53PM +0800, Colin Coe wrote:> > OK, I figured out the bleedingly obvious, switch to another virtual console > and ''xm destroy vm1''.you can also disconnect the console with ^] as well. -- Vincent Hanquez _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Vincent Hanquez wrote:> you can also disconnect the console with ^] as well.Ouch, that''s a lousy choice of shortcut key. There''s no ] key on many non-US keyboards - on most foreign keyboards [, {, }, and ] are activated with fx. AltGr. Meaning that: * In many applications, ctrl + altgr + ] won''t work as intended.. Haven''t tested Xen specifically, because: * It''s quite hard for users to find or guess the correct key combination when there''s no way to directly press the keys described as a shortcut. Could this be changed to something better? _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Am Dienstag, 20. Dezember 2005 21:41 schrieb Molle Bestefich:> Vincent Hanquez wrote: > > you can also disconnect the console with ^] as well. > > Ouch, that''s a lousy choice of shortcut key. > > There''s no ] key on many non-US keyboards - on most foreign keyboards > [, {, }, and ] are activated with fx. AltGr. Meaning that:it''s ctrl + alt gr + 9 on a german keyboard, maybe that even works on other foreign layouts too. With putty you have to use ctrl + 5, but don''t ask me why. Maybe a bug, maybe a feature, maybe nobody knows ;-P --Ralph> Could this be changed to something better? > > _______________________________________________ > Xen-users mailing list > Xen-users@lists.xensource.com > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users_______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Molle Bestefich wrote:> Ouch, that''s a lousy choice of shortcut key. > >There''s no ] key on many non-US keyboards - on most foreign keyboards >[, {, }, and ] are activated with fx. AltGr. Meaning that: > > * In many applications, ctrl + altgr + ] won''t work as intended.. >Haven''t tested Xen specifically, because: > * It''s quite hard for users to find or guess the correct key >combination when there''s no way to directly press the keys described >as a shortcut. > >Could this be changed to something better? > >I suggest ''~.'' It has been used to jump out of ssh and cu for quite some time. -- Some days it''s just not worth chewing through the restraints... Mark D. Foster, CISSP <mark@foster.cc> http://mark.foster.cc/ _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
On Tuesday 20 December 2005 23:11, Mark Foster wrote:> Molle Bestefich wrote: > > Ouch, that''s a lousy choice of shortcut key. > > > >There''s no ] key on many non-US keyboards - on most foreign keyboards > >[, {, }, and ] are activated with fx. AltGr. Meaning that: > > > > * In many applications, ctrl + altgr + ] won''t work as intended.. > >Haven''t tested Xen specifically, because: > > * It''s quite hard for users to find or guess the correct key > >combination when there''s no way to directly press the keys described > >as a shortcut. > > > >Could this be changed to something better? > > I suggest ''~.'' > It has been used to jump out of ssh and cu for quite some time.Just for the record, Ctrl-] has been used to jump out of telnet for quite some even longer time :). /Ernst _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Mark Foster wrote:> I suggest ''~.'' > It has been used to jump out of ssh and cu for quite some time.That''s an AltGr''d key on many international keyboards, but without any other modifiers than what''s required to press the key, confusion is not likely to arouse. Only problem with ~ is that it''s commonly used on Unix. Ernst Bachmann wrote:> Just for the record, Ctrl-] has been used to jump out of telnet for quite some > even longer time :).If I had to guess, I''d say that a very small percentage of regular international telnet users actually use that. Still a lousy shortcut :-). If I may suggest something, how about CTRL-F10. The F keys are universal in that they require no shift, ctrl or alt to press. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 08:41:57PM +0000, Molle Bestefich wrote:> Vincent Hanquez wrote: > > you can also disconnect the console with ^] as well. > > Ouch, that''s a lousy choice of shortcut key.This is how telnet works since *ages*.> There''s no ] key on many non-US keyboards - on most foreign keyboards > [, {, }, and ] are activated with fx. AltGr. Meaning that: > > * In many applications, ctrl + altgr + ] won''t work as intended.. > Haven''t tested Xen specifically, because: > * It''s quite hard for users to find or guess the correct key > combination when there''s no way to directly press the keys described > as a shortcut. > > Could this be changed to something better?this is very unlikely. -- Vincent Hanquez _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:11:18PM -0800, Mark Foster wrote:> I suggest ''~.'' > It has been used to jump out of ssh and cu for quite some time.This is even worse. This means you cannot disconnect your xm consoles when you''re ssh in your xen box... because the first ssh is going to trap the escapes and disconnect you. keyboard ----ssh---> xenbox ---xmcons---> domU -- Vincent Hanquez _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Vincent Hanquez wrote:> On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:11:18PM -0800, Mark Foster wrote: > >>I suggest ''~.'' >>It has been used to jump out of ssh and cu for quite some time. > > > This is even worse. This means you cannot disconnect your xm consoles when > you''re ssh in your xen box... because the first ssh is going to trap the > escapes and disconnect you. > > keyboard ----ssh---> xenbox ---xmcons---> domU >You can do ''~~.'' I agree that it is a pain, though. What do non US people normally use to escape from telnet? Jordan _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Vincent Hanquez wrote:> Molle Bestefich wrote: > > Ouch, that''s a lousy choice of shortcut key. > > This is how telnet works since *ages*.Your argument being that since someone screwed up ages ago in an unrelated product, Xen should fall in line instead of doing something that works sanely outside the US? :-) Good point. Screw the international users, they can get US keyboards if they want Xen ;-). Jordan Share wrote:> Vincent Hanquez wrote: > > Mark Foster wrote: > > > I suggest ''~.'' > > > It has been used to jump out of ssh and cu for quite some time. > > > > This is even worse. This means you cannot disconnect your xm consoles when > > you''re ssh in your xen box... because the first ssh is going to trap the > > escapes and disconnect you. > > > > keyboard ----ssh---> xenbox ---xmcons---> domU > > You can do ''~~.'' I agree that it is a pain, though.Hmm. Why?> What do non US people normally use to escape from telnet?Personally I''ve looked at that character sequence a couple of times, tried to make it work, given up each time. Finally I concluded that it''s impossible to hit it on my keyboard. So what I''ve always done is switch to another virtual console ([ctrl]-alt-Fx) or use a graphically managed version of telnet (eg. telnet in xterm or telnet in cmd on Windows). _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Molle Bestefich wrote:> Vincent Hanquez wrote: > > This is how telnet works since *ages*. > > Your argument being that since someone screwed up ages ago in an > unrelated product, Xen should fall in line instead of doing something > that works sanely outside the US? :-) > > Good point. Screw the international users, they can get US keyboards > if they want Xen ;-).Reminds me of another story. Back in the days, some engineer at IBM (or so) goofed and left the danish characters Æ, Ø and Å out of their default character set (850?). A couple of Danish engineers were then asked if those three special danish characters were really needed - after all, they could be "sort of" simulated by typing AE, OE and AA instead. The engineers'' reply was "Sure, we can leave them out. Only condition is, we drop X, Q and Z too - they''re not really used in Danish so they''re really just an annoyance." _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Jordan Share wrote:> Vincent Hanquez wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:11:18PM -0800, Mark Foster wrote: >> >>> I suggest ''~.'' >>> It has been used to jump out of ssh and cu for quite some time. >> >> This is even worse. This means you cannot disconnect your xm consoles when >> you''re ssh in your xen box... because the first ssh is going to trap the >> escapes and disconnect you. >> >> keyboard ----ssh---> xenbox ---xmcons---> domU >> > > You can do ''~~.'' I agree that it is a pain, though. > > What do non US people normally use to escape from telnet?... You can also ''ssh -e <char> ...'' to remap the ssh escape, but... The console escape should just be easily configurable to whatever the xen box admin wants; then it could easily be made to work conveniently despite any conflicting or problematic keyboard/ssh/remote access hardware/application software/etc key binding issues. We can remap the xen/dom0 switch key with the conswitch=<switch-char><auto-switch-char> boot option; the console escape should be configurable too. _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
On Dec 22, 2005 at 1433 +0000, Molle Bestefich appeared and said:> Vincent Hanquez wrote: > > Molle Bestefich wrote: > > > Ouch, that''s a lousy choice of shortcut key. > > > > This is how telnet works since *ages*. > > Your argument being that since someone screwed up ages ago in an > unrelated product, Xen should fall in line instead of doing something > that works sanely outside the US? :-)That''s traditional in software development. ;)> > What do non US people normally use to escape from telnet? > > Personally I''ve looked at that character sequence a couple of times, > tried to make it work, given up each time. Finally I concluded that > it''s impossible to hit it on my keyboard.What keyboard layout are you using? I am using the German layout and I can reach the shortcut just fine. I am used to it since I use telnet a lot (telnet, traceroute and ping are the three most important network debugging tools, at least according to a big network equipment company). I have to admit that most key combinations make a lot more sense when using an US keyboard layout. However I use both the US and DE layouts very often and don''t think alternative shortcuts are worth the trouble considering the feature requests for Xen 3.0. Best, Lynx. -- "From the delicate strands, between minds we weave our mesh: a blanket to warm the soul." --- Lady Deirdre Skye (SMAC) --- _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
René Pfeiffer wrote:> > > What do non US people normally use to escape from telnet? > > > > Personally I''ve looked at that character sequence a couple of times, > > tried to make it work, given up each time. Finally I concluded that > > it''s impossible to hit it on my keyboard. > > What keyboard layout are you using? I am using the German layout and I > can reach the shortcut just fine. I am used to it since I use telnet a > lot (telnet, traceroute and ping are the three most important network > debugging tools, at least according to a big network equipment company).Danish. Are [ and ] separate keys on a DE keyboard, or do they need AltGr?> I have to admit that most key combinations make a lot more sense when > using an US keyboard layout.I tend to disagree, only because the single insane shortcut I''ve ever come across is the one we''re discussing here..> However I use both the US and DE layouts > very often and don''t think alternative shortcuts are worth the trouble > considering the feature requests for Xen 3.0.I disagree. I think most people will just do what I do and give up (and be *VERY* annoyed), which is a shame. And that''s even if there *is* some arcane way of activating the shortcut. This is where a company like Microsoft does so much better than the open source world - if they had invented it, they would actually have a bunch of new users sit down, try and use the application and immediately find that the shortcut for leaving the console *has* to be changed. (And it would be a top priority too, since nobody would use their crap if it wasn''t _mostly_ such a breeze to do so.) _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Ernst Bachmann
2005-Dec-22 15:58 UTC
Re: [Xen-users] Re: How to recover from crashed domU?
On Thursday 22 December 2005 16:29, Molle Bestefich wrote:> > This is where a company like Microsoft does so much better than the > open source world - if they had invented it, they would actually have > a bunch of new users sit down, try and use the application and > immediately find that the shortcut for leaving the console *has* to be > changed. > > (And it would be a top priority too, since nobody would use their crap > if it wasn''t _mostly_ such a breeze to do so.)Now, if I write a mail to microsoft, complaining that I can''t hit Ctrl-Alt-Del on my keyboard, since with the german layout those keys are named "Strg-Alt-Entf", you think they''d immediatly change that shortcut to my liking, e.g. to "AltGr-Shift-Ä"? Seriously, whats the problem with ^] ? Everybody working at least a little bit with unix should know how to type '']'' on his keyboard (heck, even most MAC users know how to type that, and it isn''t even painted on their keyboard!), and everybody with at least a bit of computer experience should know how to hold down the Ctrl key while pressing some other key... /Ernst _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Molle Bestefich wrote:> Vincent Hanquez wrote: > >>Molle Bestefich wrote: >> >>>Ouch, that''s a lousy choice of shortcut key. >> >>This is how telnet works since *ages*. > > > Your argument being that since someone screwed up ages ago in an > unrelated product, Xen should fall in line instead of doing something > that works sanely outside the US? :-) > > Good point. Screw the international users, they can get US keyboards > if they want Xen ;-). > > Jordan Share wrote: > >>Vincent Hanquez wrote: >> >>>Mark Foster wrote: >>> >>>>I suggest ''~.'' >>>>It has been used to jump out of ssh and cu for quite some time. >>> >>>This is even worse. This means you cannot disconnect your xm consoles when >>>you''re ssh in your xen box... because the first ssh is going to trap the >>>escapes and disconnect you. >>> >>>keyboard ----ssh---> xenbox ---xmcons---> domU >> >>You can do ''~~.'' I agree that it is a pain, though. > > > Hmm. Why?Mostly because I don''t always remember how deep in ssh sessions I am. I certainly prefer having the normal telnet sequence, given that it is on my keyboard. :) Jordan _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 03:29:48PM +0000, Molle Bestefich wrote:> I disagree. I think most people will just do what I do and give up > (and be *VERY* annoyed), which is a shame. And that''s even if there > *is* some arcane way of activating the shortcut.I disagree. Normally I use a GB keyboard layout, but this week I have been using a spanish layout. To begin with I struggled to find alot of things. @ Lies at altgr+2, [ and ] are hidden behind an altgr combo. Same for |, # and tilda. But then when I try and right spanish on an english keyboard I can''t find a ? key. Or what about Umlaut, etc... You can''t have it both ways. And even if you make it configurable can you imagine the support questions? I am struggling to see where your complaint lies (you are saying that ^] is the only dud you have seen). Do you not struggle equally with the location of /, or |? what about < > ? etc... Whilst I agree that alot of the keys used in unix may not be entirely intuative for the non English keyboard users, you have to bare in mind the proportions that use various keyboard layouts. Even the cyrilic and Arabic keyboards and associated keymaps I use have a US map in terms of non alphaNumeric keys. Such I am inclined to suggest that the US layout is the single most used of all of them. (Please excuse the arrogance, but Denmark isn''t the worlds most populous country.) Further to this, if you consider just how many different keyboard layouts and how they are laid out you rapidly find that finding a suitable escape combination is very VERY difficult. Anyone wanna through Dvorak into the mix? I remind you of the quote: "The only valid key combination to listen to is ctrl+alt+shift+escape+f12+pagedown, all other combinations being mapped by GNU Emacs". It really is rather difficult. I think ultimately, what I am trying to say here, is don''t have a go at the xen developers for this, its not their fault, no matter what combination they use someone, somewhere will get annoyed.> This is where a company like Microsoft does so much better than the > open source world - if they had invented it, they would actually have > a bunch of new users sit down, try and use the application and > immediately find that the shortcut for leaving the console *has* to be > changed.Would you like to fund a bunch of users banging keyboards with heads to find these things out?> (And it would be a top priority too, since nobody would use their crap > if it wasn''t _mostly_ such a breeze to do so.)NEVER confuse Idiot friendly and User Friendly. J -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDq+Im42M0lILkmGIRAu1dAKDni4Sh61ZS2hm4nj77+rHLqehXGQCg5w6w N1lj0vkIGc8gI1RNA0je++Q=C4wz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 09:47:36AM -0500, Matt Cowan wrote:> You can also ''ssh -e <char> ...'' to remap the ssh escape, but... > > The console escape should just be easily configurable to whatever the > xen box admin wants; then it could easily be made to work conveniently > despite any conflicting or problematic keyboard/ssh/remote access > hardware/application software/etc key binding issues.Can you imagine the support headache this would provide? Think of all the people coming on IRC and asking and each one being told a different answer. Newbie: How to I escape from the console XenGuru: ^], no wait, erm ^. erm, no, hold on which country are you on? Oh sod it, roll your head on the keyboard while you hold down ctrl.> We can remap the xen/dom0 switch key with the > conswitch=<switch-char><auto-switch-char> boot option; the console > escape should be configurable too.I question the benifit of this. J -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDq+Mg42M0lILkmGIRAiuQAKDUCA3OxctCRbAIl9d1i61Ymh/9HwCfYogc UhBapJlmV/TWDiR90NG2qKI=sLg7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
On Dec 22, 2005 at 1529 +0000, Molle Bestefich appeared and said:> René Pfeiffer wrote: > > > > What keyboard layout are you using? I am using the German layout and I > > can reach the shortcut just fine. I am used to it since I use telnet a > > lot (telnet, traceroute and ping are the three most important network > > debugging tools, at least according to a big network equipment company). > > Danish. > Are [ and ] separate keys on a DE keyboard, or do they need AltGr?I need Alt-Gr as well. In my personal opinion Ctrl-] is not more complicated than Ctrl-Alt-Del. Besides you can always remap the keys yourself: http://www.autohotkey.com/docs/misc/Remap.htm http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2001-Apr/2702.html> > I have to admit that most key combinations make a lot more sense when > > using an US keyboard layout. > > I tend to disagree, only because the single insane shortcut I''ve ever > come across is the one we''re discussing here..I meant sense in the sense of key locations on the keyboard.> This is where a company like Microsoft does so much better than the > open source world - if they had invented it, they would actually have > a bunch of new users sit down, try and use the application and > immediately find that the shortcut for leaving the console *has* to be > changed.I prefer to have an option and not to be forced doing things like a bunch of beta testers do them.> (And it would be a top priority too, since nobody would use their crap > if it wasn''t _mostly_ such a breeze to do so.)Several hundred years ago the plague was very widespread. Nevertheless it wasn''t popular at all. ;) Best, Lynx. -- "From the delicate strands, between minds we weave our mesh: a blanket to warm the soul." --- Lady Deirdre Skye (SMAC) --- _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
rupi
2005-Dec-23 14:06 UTC
[Xen-users] keymap customization (Was: How to recover from crashed domU?)
Well.. there are allways different preferences how to deal with such things. So customization is the way to deal with it, after all one of the advantages GNU/Linux gives us is the possibility of custimizing lots of things. Since Alt-Gr key combinations are a pain in the ass and brackets and stuff like that are way easier to find on a US layout i decided to switch from a German to a US layout and introduced Alt-Gr combinations to reach German Umlauts.. somewhat non-standard approach but served me well the last years. My .Xmodmap is attached - you may use it as an inspiration in case you want to try this. /r -- http://rantanplan.org/~rupi/ || encrypt email || use free software fingerprint = 9639 0ABC AD2F 155F C96C FC78 3CFE 82C0 0AF9 AE3A _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
René Pfeiffer wrote:> I need Alt-Gr as well. In my personal opinion > Ctrl-] is not more complicated than Ctrl-Alt-Del.It''s not complicated in terms of finding it on the keyboard. It''s not exceedingly complicated to guess that you have to press Ctrl-AltGr-] (not Ctrl-]) because he who wrote the documentation is blind to i18n factors. Sometimes this just works, especially if you''re sitting right in front of the machine. But... It gets complicated when you have a KVM switch or VNC client (or Java VM running your VNC client or KVM software) or what not in the middle, and that piece of software conveys the characters pressed "in a wrong way". You might say that "they" should fix it, but it''s never exactly clear where the error occurs. It could be in any piece of software on the way, and it could even be that the user guessed the magic international keyboard combo wrong - which is why I''m arguing that most people will just shut up about it and never use the shortcut. They''ll bail to using ctrl-alt-del like the OP or xterm or what not. It might even be that none of the intermediate software is buggy per se, but that it just has never been uniformally decided where exactly fx. scancode <-> virtual key translations are performed. The result being that various systems has to do intermediate translations from one to the other which obviously does not produce perfect results. I regret to say that I''ve never actually found why this happens. All I can provide is empirical evidence - I''ve used a lot of remote console (text, graphics) systems, and I can remember only one of them that seemed to flawlessly convey *almost* all keyboard characters. Especially international characters and characters which have different modifiers than they do on US keyboards are a cause of trouble.> Besides you can always remap the keys > yourself: > > http://www.autohotkey.com/docs/misc/Remap.htm > http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2001-Apr/2702.htmlI''d much rather fix things by simplifying them, I don''t think adding more complexity is a good solution. A good solution would be to use ASCII characters with _no_ modifiers, for example (as some remote console systems use) ESC + A. That is, ESC first, then upper-case A. J D Freeman wrote:> And even if you make it configurable can > you imagine the support questions?There''s a third option; simply have two shortcuts. One that''s compatible with Telnet so the old-timers don''t have a cow and one that works across KVM''s, VM''s, RS232 etc. René Pfeiffer wrote:> > (And it would be a top priority too, since nobody would use their crap > > if it wasn''t _mostly_ such a breeze to do so.) > > Several hundred years ago the plague was very widespread. Nevertheless > it wasn''t popular at all. ;)Au contraire, it was very popular, everybody had it ;-). And hardly a fair comparison, since people actually pay to use Windows.> "From the delicate strands, > between minds we weave our mesh: > a blanket to warm the soul." > --- Lady Deirdre Skye (SMAC) ---Alpha Centauri? :-) _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
Molle Bestefich
2005-Dec-27 00:14 UTC
[Xen-users] Re: keymap customization (Was: How to recover from crashed domU?)
rupi@rantanplan.org wrote:> Since Alt-Gr key combinations are a pain in the assRight.. IMHO both Shift and AltGr should never be used for key combos because they''re used to alter the character emitted by a key on the keyboard. If only Ctrl and individual characters were always correctly conveyed and AltGr and Shift was never used as shortcut keys, all would probably be well with international keyboards in the world of shortcuts =)...> and brackets and stuff like that are way easier to find on a US layout i decided to > switch from a German to a US layout and introduced Alt-Gr combinations > to reach German Umlauts.. somewhat non-standard approach but served me > well the last years.Harh! Crazy. Some people go ranting on mailing lists about their problems and others just go ahead and solve them. You''re one of those people that just go ahead and solve them :-).> My .Xmodmap is attached - you may use it as an > inspiration in case you want to try this.Cool, I''ll definitely have a look, thanks for sharing. (Not that I think that this is really a proper solution...) _______________________________________________ Xen-users mailing list Xen-users@lists.xensource.com http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users