wine users - Nov 2009 - Can Wine be installed in a web server to run a Windows appl?

I am looking to install a Windows application on my web site (Linux Debian 4.0),
offering restricted access to my web site users :
- has it any technical sense ?
- can Wine be the interface between the server Linux and the Windows application
?
- user access would be through a bridge with my web site (Joomla-based)

Thanks for advice !

- has it any technical sense ?
Normally no jpsotta.  Wine is not really recommend that kind of operation.

- can Wine be the interface between the server Linux and the Windows application
?

Yes and no.  Wine not what you call light.   Next problem is lot of windows
programs require graphical to operate.  This means X11 server of some form.   So
really not light.

Wine is for running Windows applications not really bridging.  It pure running
the application server would take responsibility for control.

- user access would be through a bridge with my web site (Joomla-based) 

You will find access control better handled by native tools.  Less overhead.  
Samba can provide lookups on MS ADS servers.   Basically there is no form of
secuirty look-up Linux cannot already do natively.

Even vpn connections there are open source ways of doing them.

Final one that kills this idea is that Wine does not control the Linux network
stack in any way.   So cannot force traffic to be redirected to it.

Simpler to stick to webserver controls.  Its far more stable less cpu load and
less likely to play up jpsotta.

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/auth.html You will find most open source
webservers provide secuirty control modules like these.  It will do a far better
job in stablity than what you are thinking about jpsotta

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:03 AM, jpsotta <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
wrote:
> I am looking to install a Windows application on my web site (Linux Debian
4.0), offering restricted access to my web site users :
> - has it any technical sense ?
This is a REALLY BAD idea.
> - can Wine be the interface between the server Linux and the Windows
application ?
even if it does somehow work, I cant see it being stable
> - user access would be through a bridge with my web site (Joomla-based)
>
> Thanks for advice !
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So, it is a bad idea !
I will be very disappointed !

However, is there any way to share a Windows application between a few remote
users, even only one at a time ?
I was thinking to use a website as common base : is there any host system based
on Windows that could better support that "bad idea" ? (natively
equiped with X11)

VPN can be a solution, but in that case my own PC become the server and shall
shall remain ON 24/24h

Thanks for your advices to rein the right path !

On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 09:06 -0600, jpsotta wrote:
> So, it is a bad idea !
> I will be very disappointed !
> 
> However, is there any way to share a Windows application between a few
remote users, even only one at a time ?
> I was thinking to use a website as common base : is there any host system
based on Windows that could better support that "bad idea" ? (natively
equiped with X11)
> 
You can use a standard Windows PC, though there may not be any way to
stop more than one person accessing it at the same time. Look at VNC -
it can be used to provide a remote desktop on a *nix, Mac or Windows
client that connects to a *nix, Mac or Windows server.

Alternatively, run one or more copies of Windows in virtual machines on
a *nix system and access them remotely via VNC or ssh with X.11
forwarding.


Martin

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:22 AM, oiaohm <wineforum-user at winehq.org>
wrote:
> - has it any technical sense ?
> Normally no jpsotta. ?Wine is not really recommend that kind of operation.
>
> - can Wine be the interface between the server Linux and the Windows
application ?
>
> Yes and no. ?Wine not what you call light. ? Next problem is lot of windows
programs require graphical to operate. ?This means X11 server of some form. ? So
really not light.
>
> Wine is for running Windows applications not really bridging. ?It pure
running the application server would take responsibility for control.
>
> - user access would be through a bridge with my web site (Joomla-based)
>
> You will find access control better handled by native tools. ?Less
overhead. ? Samba can provide lookups on MS ADS servers. ? Basically there is no
form of secuirty look-up Linux cannot already do natively.
>
> Even vpn connections there are open source ways of doing them.
>
> Final one that kills this idea is that Wine does not control the Linux
network stack in any way. ? So cannot force traffic to be redirected to it.
>
> Simpler to stick to webserver controls. ?Its far more stable less cpu load
and less likely to play up jpsotta.
>
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/auth.html You will find most open
source webservers provide secuirty control modules like these. ?It will do a far
better job in stablity than what you are thinking about jpsotta
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Thank you, Martin, to give me some hope !

""
Alternatively, run one or more copies of Windows in virtual machines on 
a *nix system and access them remotely via VNC or ssh with X.11 
forwarding. 
""


- What are those virtual machines used to run copies of Windows? Something
similar to Wine ? Specific SW packages simulating PC HW ?

- copies of Windows : as standard Home XP for instance ?

- could this *nix system be the host of my website ?

- my Joomla-based website offers "wrapping" of an iFrame to another
application : could this application be the one running on the copie of Windows
? thus forming a bridge for selected users to access this Windows application ?

Is all that too much speculative ?

Thank you, Martin, for all these details, that increase my hope !

I start to look around your interesting suggestions :

- My webserver host run Debian 4.0 that should have embedded Xen 3.0.3.
Since 3.0, Xen can run Windows, either Intel or AMD HW virtualizations.
- so I should be able to load XP and after install my Windows application on it
(I still have to grab the detail procedure !)
- I find less details on KVM

....... and still some work to clarify the access !

Thank you, Martin,  for your support !

hello, Martin

I really do not understand your last message !

- Java JVM's are usefull to run Java piece of code on various machine/OS,
but I don't see what help JVM can provide to run Windows Application in a
Linux environment.

It seems I am going back to the beginning of my bad idea !

jpsotta wrote:
> hello, Martin
> 
> I really do not understand your last message !
> 
> - Java JVM's are usefull to run Java piece of code on various
machine/OS, but I don't see what help JVM can provide to run Windows
Application in a Linux environment.
> 
> It seems I am going back to the beginning of my bad idea !
A Java application is a Java application. It's not (usually) bound to an OS.
So a .jar (the most common extension for Java applications) should be able to
run on Windows, Linux, Mac... Anything that is able to run the program that can
run Java programs, basically (also known as the Java VM).