wine users - Nov 2009 - Newb here.Ubuntu 9.10, ATI Adeon x1270, trying to run Steam.

Sick of Vista, don't want to give MS another $200 for another bloated crappy
OS. My old laptop had Ubuntu 8.04, but it was incapable of running Steam games,
so I'm new to this Wine stuff. So here it goes, I've been away from
linux for the last 2 years, but when 9.10 came out, I decided it was time to
come back and give it another look. I have everything up and running, with the
drivers that come out of the box with 9.10.  Wine is installed, I have a bunch
of older games, Quake 2 for example, and they run great. OpenGL seems to be
working fine, and linux native openGL games run great. I can turn on and use all
the desktop effects, but I have to turn them off to get Quake2 to run in WINE.
When I do...NICE! But I install Steam, load up Half Life 2, it looks good
through the splash screens and logos, but when the game loads, I can't read
the menus, and there is a noticeable diagonal line through the middle of the
screen, from top right to bottom left. The only difference I can think of is
Half Life 2 is a directx game, not opengl. Anyhow, I can't get this stupid
game to run.

I've tried installing ATI drivers, but it breaks my install...by the way,
where in the hell did xorg.conf go??? WTF? According to ATI, the last version of
of Catalyst that supports my card is 9.2, which is incompatable with
Ubuntu's new Xserver version. Tried downgrading that, then installing the
9.2 ATI, everything got hosed. Tried the older open source drivers, no 3d at
all.  I'm kind of at a loss here, not sure where the xorg.conf went.

My level of expertise with linux is pretty much copying and pasting lines into
the terminal, that was enough a couple years ago, when I was running 8.04,
everything worked....

Anyone have any suggestions? I just want to play Team fortress without having
this 25 gigabyte monster called Vista on my system!

Wayne,

I love your post for two reasons, first is you still play quake 2, and
second because you represent most people trying to move to linux:  advanced
enough to troubleshoot but dangerous enough to blow it all up. :)

I have half-life 2 installed on 9.04 and it works ok.  It runs for about 5
minutes and then crashes.  I haven't tried running it on 9.10 yet.

The fact that opengl works illustrates your video card is set up properly.
I had to lower the directx level using the "dxlevel" command.  I found
that
suggested on many forums.  Have you tried this yet?

-Tres

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:10 PM, waynefoutz <wineforum-user at
winehq.org>wrote:
> Sick of Vista, don't want to give MS another $200 for another bloated
> crappy OS. My old laptop had Ubuntu 8.04, but it was incapable of running
> Steam games, so I'm new to this Wine stuff. So here it goes, I've
been away
> from linux for the last 2 years, but when 9.10 came out, I decided it was
> time to come back and give it another look. I have everything up and
> running, with the drivers that come out of the box with 9.10.  Wine is
> installed, I have a bunch of older games, Quake 2 for example, and they run
> great. OpenGL seems to be working fine, and linux native openGL games run
> great. I can turn on and use all the desktop effects, but I have to turn
> them off to get Quake2 to run in WINE. When I do...NICE! But I install
> Steam, load up Half Life 2, it looks good through the splash screens and
> logos, but when the game loads, I can't read the menus, and there is a
> noticeable diagonal line through the middle of the screen, from top right
to
> bottom left. The only difference I can think of is Half Life 2 is a directx
> game, not opengl. Anyhow, I can't get this stupid game to run.
>
> I've tried installing ATI drivers, but it breaks my install...by the
way,
> where in the hell did xorg.conf go??? WTF? According to ATI, the last
> version of of Catalyst that supports my card is 9.2, which is incompatable
> with Ubuntu's new Xserver version. Tried downgrading that, then
installing
> the 9.2 ATI, everything got hosed. Tried the older open source drivers, no
> 3d at all.  I'm kind of at a loss here, not sure where the xorg.conf
went.
>
> My level of expertise with linux is pretty much copying and pasting lines
> into the terminal, that was enough a couple years ago, when I was running
> 8.04, everything worked....
>
> Anyone have any suggestions? I just want to play Team fortress without
> having this 25 gigabyte monster called Vista on my system!
>
>
>
>
>
>

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FatButtLarry wrote:
> Wayne,
> 
> I love your post for two reasons, first is you still play quake 2, and
> second because you represent most people trying to move to linux:  advanced
> enough to troubleshoot but dangerous enough to blow it all up. :)
> 
> I have half-life 2 installed on 9.04 and it works ok.  It runs for about 5
> minutes and then crashes.  I haven't tried running it on 9.10 yet.
> 
> The fact that opengl works illustrates your video card is set up properly.
> I had to lower the directx level using the "dxlevel" command.  I
found that
> suggested on many forums.  Have you tried this yet?
> 
> -Tres
> 
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:10 PM, waynefoutz <wineforum-user at
winehq.org>wrote:
> 
> 
> > Sick of Vista, don't want to give MS another $200 for another
bloated
> > crappy OS. My old laptop had Ubuntu 8.04, but it was incapable of
running
> > Steam games, so I'm new to this Wine stuff. So here it goes,
I've been away
> > from linux for the last 2 years, but when 9.10 came out, I decided it
was
> > time to come back and give it another look. I have everything up and
> > running, with the drivers that come out of the box with 9.10.  Wine is
> > installed, I have a bunch of older games, Quake 2 for example, and
they run
> > great. OpenGL seems to be working fine, and linux native openGL games
run
> > great. I can turn on and use all the desktop effects, but I have to
turn
> > them off to get Quake2 to run in WINE. When I do...NICE! But I install
> > Steam, load up Half Life 2, it looks good through the splash screens
and
> > logos, but when the game loads, I can't read the menus, and there
is a
> > noticeable diagonal line through the middle of the screen, from top
right to
> > bottom left. The only difference I can think of is Half Life 2 is a
directx
> > game, not opengl. Anyhow, I can't get this stupid game to run.
> > 
> > I've tried installing ATI drivers, but it breaks my install...by
the way,
> > where in the hell did xorg.conf go??? WTF? According to ATI, the last
> > version of of Catalyst that supports my card is 9.2, which is
incompatable
> > with Ubuntu's new Xserver version. Tried downgrading that, then
installing
> > the 9.2 ATI, everything got hosed. Tried the older open source
drivers, no
> > 3d at all.  I'm kind of at a loss here, not sure where the
xorg.conf went.
> > 
> > My level of expertise with linux is pretty much copying and pasting
lines
> > into the terminal, that was enough a couple years ago, when I was
running
> > 8.04, everything worked....
> > 
> > Anyone have any suggestions? I just want to play Team fortress without
> > having this 25 gigabyte monster called Vista on my system!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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> - Tres.Finocchiaro at gmail.com
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Yeah, I've blown it all up about 8 times now. Luckily, it's just been
Wubi installs, which takes me less than ten minutes to get back up and running.
Can't remember the last time I played quake 2, I just found it buried in my
desk drawer and knew it was an opengl game, so it would be about perfect to test
with. No, i haven't tried the dxlevel command yet, that will probably be my
next step, but I'm not too optimistic. From what I read, that command will
improve my frame rate, but what I have now needs a lot more help than that.

 I just downloaded the Dell Ubuntu 9.04 reinstall ISO from Dell, It's
supposed to have all the ATI drivers installed out of the box. Going to try
that. I have a one year old Latitude D531, maybe that will give me better
results. If nothing else, I found an old Windows 2000 disk, I'll just dual
boot and use that for gaming, providing it will see my SATA drive. Or, I could
just put 9.10 on it and give up on that game, but it really is about the only
game I play.  I'm just tired of looking at this boring Vista. Yech!

Cedega is a version of an old version of Wine since they branched off from the
original source. Therefore, some games might work due to their own work, but a
lot that work in normal Wine won't under Cedega. So if you decide to give it
a try, be careful!

I recommend you try dxlevel before anything else. It'll use an older DirectX
implementation, which are generally a lot better supported with Wine.

lahmbi5678 wrote:
> If you really need Windows, then get yourself a used XP license from eBay.
XP is smaller, faster, cheaper. Most games still run on XP, and that will
probably be the case for the next few years.


And give Microsoft more money? Not if I can help it. besides vlite to dissect
Vista looks like it might be kind of fun.

Success!! 

The problem: ATI doesn't support my card with any of the newer running xorg.
At my first post, one suggestion had me trying to downgrade my xserver. Well ,
screw it. I put a variant of Ubuntu 8.10, Linux Mint actually, and it
automatically picked up on that I had an ATI driver and installed a driver for
it. Next, I downloaded Wine. Installed Steam. Installed Half-life 2. Launched
it. Looked beautiful, but ran sluggish. Then I launched it with the
 -dxlevel 80 command. It fired up, not looking quite as good, but much more
playable. Things look a little washed out in the game when there is a lot of
light, in the game, for instance, in the opening scene when G. Freeman step off
the train and into the sunlight, the colors aren't all that great. But it
runs!! And with all the compiz effects still turned on in my desktop. Turning
them on or off pretty much has no effect.


Bottom line, If you have one of these unsupported ATI cards, 8.10
in the Ubuntu family of distros is as about as high as you can go. Anything
newer will cripple your card.


Thanks for the help! 


FatButtLarry wrote:
> Off topic, but wouldn't he be giving the money to a person, not
Microsoft?
> :)
> 
> If you do stick with Wine, please post your success.
> 
> -Tres
> 
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:13 PM, waynefoutz <wineforum-user at
winehq.org>wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > lahmbi5678 wrote:
> > 
> > > If you really need Windows, then get yourself a used XP license
from
> > > 
> > eBay. XP is smaller, faster, cheaper. Most games still run on XP, and
that
> > will probably be the case for the next few years.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > And give Microsoft more money? Not if I can help it. besides vlite to
> > dissect Vista looks like it might be kind of fun.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> - Tres.Finocchiaro at gmail.com
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