Vorbis - Mar 2003 - Re: [Ffmpeg-devel] Re: Ogg Vorbis tracks in QT files

I'm explicitly forwarding this message to the people Christian HJW sent his
mail, just in case. There'll be no more crossposting. If anyone has opinions
to share, it'd be just right to send it to ffmpeg-devel (flames like
HJW's
can go to devnull)

(BTW, HJW's rant is just like the ones on debian-devel. Even I unsubscribed
from that list, because it's so lame:)

Arpi wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > > It's been done and it works, but it's not good. The ogg
container is
> > > just a horrible design. Read all the mplayer-dev-eng archives
> > > regarding "new container format"/MPCF for lots of
discussion on the
> > > matter. Soon the draft for our new spec will be complete and then
we
> > > can store (wonderful) vorbis audio without the (crappy) ogg
container,
> > > as standalone audio files or in movie files.
> > > Rich
> > 
> > Felker, whats your problem ? I can normally smell a wanker if i meet
> > one, even in the internet. I have no idea why my sensors were failing
on
> [...] <=more rotfl rants
> 
> Dear CJW, i don't really see how is your comment related to the mail
you're
> answering, but anyway you should stop sending such mails to any technical
> list, especially to ones not owned by you or your project.
> 
> > Core developer or not, i fail to understand how the other developers
of
> > both the FFMPEG and the mplayer projects can tolerate your behaviour.
> 
> I personally (and imho many other developers agree) have no problems
> with his behaviour or style. He always has constructive, good comments
> (by good i mean technically correct, not polite) to the running threads,
> and he knows well the difference between effective well-desigend code and
> bloated unusable things.
> 
> While you believe blindly in your god called Monty and your one-and-only
> project and take every negative comments offensive and react by long rants
> against the writer without any tech reason or description...
> 
> > You are throwing mud on the projects you are contributing to when
> > behaving like this, and that means their work is put into the dirt and
> > miscredited also.
> 
> I don't think so. He shared with us the technical reasons and
experiments
> he found related to the mentioned project(s). In objection with your rants,
> based on zero technical knowledge. I would say you're just like
Gabucino,
> but he at least asks the developers about the tech parts before writing
> his flames :)
> 
> > using a similar language as you are doing constantly. Its unfair to 
> > judge Ogg's capabilities from OGM, as this project admittedly was
a
> 
> no.
> the fact that voris codec and ogg container is mixed so thightly 
> (making it impossibel to use vorbis without ogg) is enough
> to judge the whole ****^H^H^H^Hnice thing.
> 
> > quick hack IMHO, made from a 'stupid DirectShow kiddie' , to
use your
> > very own words, and thus very Windows centric.
> 
> if ogg is so good, then why are you developing matroska? :)
> 
> > P.S. Explanation for Xiph people : He has been doing the very same
with
> >   other projects on the mplayer-dev-eng ML, and repeatedly, most
notably
> 
> any examples?
> 
> > without even having understood the basics of the specs in most cases. 
> 
> really?
> 
> > Sorry for the ranting on a public mailing list, but enough is enough.
> 
> no sorry, at least for you.
> 
> we accept critics from people we respect (ie. who did something other than
> only crossmailing the world with rants and flame).
> 
> > P.P.S. And please, dont swob their new MPCF ( MPlayer Container Format
)
> > with our old MCF project, they have nothing in common and its mere 
> > coincidence that both sound similar.
> 
> don't worry, MPCF is just the work-name, the final name will be
something
> else, maybe 'nut'.
> 
> 
> A'rpi / Astral & ESP-team
> 
> --
> Developer of MPlayer, the Movie Player for Linux - http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu
>     "However, many people beg for its inclusion in Debian. Why?"
- Gabucino
>   "Because having new software in Debian is good." - Josselin
Mouette
> "Because having good software in Debian is new." - Gabucino
> 
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