a comparison between the two formats can be read at http://www.digit-life.com/articles/oggvslame/index.html . i first heard of this from Vorbis Extreme ( http://solair.eunet.yu/~aldov/ ). anyone see any problems with the review? -- noodlez: Karol Pietrzak GPG/PGP-KeyID: 0x3A1446A0 --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
"Karol Pietrzak" <noodlez84@earthlink.net> wrote:> a comparison between the two formats can be read at > http://www.digit-life.com/articles/oggvslame/index.html . i > first heard of this from Vorbis Extreme ( > http://solair.eunet.yu/~aldov/ ). > anyone see any problems with the review?What's the problem, when Vorbis won at 128 & 160 kbps? ;-) Seriously, I think it's rather good, although he didn't do any blind listening tests, which is the way to go so that you can be sure that your mind isn't playing tricks on you. There are lots of graphs mostly used for looking at the bandwidth, but I think that signal subtraction comparison isn't useful at all. Also he doesn't mention whether he used joint-stereo with MP3 because this can have noticeable impact on quality at lower/mid bitrates like 128 & 160. I guess he had used joint-stereo, and since Vorbis won without joint-stereo, this means that the difference will be even bigger once Vorbis gets joint-stereo. :-) Oh, and LAME isn't license free because MP3 is covered with patents. Vorbis is patent-free, and that is the most important difference between Vorbis and MP3, everything else is secondary. Greetings, Aleksandar ------------------------------------------------- Vorbis Xtreme: Ogg Vorbis news, FAQ, links... http://solair.eunet.yu/~aldov --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
Heya Karol, KP> a comparison between the two formats can be read at KP> http://www.digit-life.com/articles/oggvslame/index.html . i KP> first heard of this from Vorbis Extreme ( KP> http://solair.eunet.yu/~aldov/ ). KP> anyone see any problems with the review? Sure, it does that same stupid thing that all reviews of codecs on the Net appear to do. It looks at graphs of raw data in the frequency domain. It appears that these people have understood nothing about the issues of psycho acoustics. Undoubtedly you'll find that this guy claims he can hear 24KHz too, most of them do. One really ought to ignore this sort of thing in favor of the only valid test, double blind tests. -- Mat Bettinson - EuroGamer's Gaming Evangelist with a Goatee http://www.eurogamer.net | http://www.eurogamer-network.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.