Greetings:
I'm writing an article for the O'Reilly Network, and the focus is on
streaming audio with Linux. I would like to include material concerning
Vorbis, but I need some information:
1) What's up with www.vorbis.com and www.icecast.org ? Can anyone
say when they'll be back on-line ?
2) Where should I go to get the latest Vorbis sources ?
3) What players, encoders, etc currently support Vorbis ?
4) What extra software exists for Vorbis ? (I'm thinking of things
like the VCE I read about on this list).
5) Say I want to listen to a Vorbis stream: where can I go to
connect to one on the net ? What player should I use ? If I use
Netscape, how do I configure it ? Is there an Ogg Vorbis MIME type ?
6) What's up with Icecast 2.0 and Vorbis ?
I know, it's a lot of questions, sorry about that. In my defense, I've
become very curious about Vorbis after doing my research on MP3... ;)
Vast appreciation in advance...
Best regards,
== Dave Phillips
The Book Of Linux Music & Sound at http://www.nostarch.com/lms.htm
The Linux Soundapps Site at http://sound.condorow.net
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On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 02:35:26PM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote:> Greetings: > > I'm writing an article for the O'Reilly Network, and the focus is on > streaming audio with Linux. I would like to include material concerning > Vorbis, but I need some information: > > 1) What's up with www.vorbis.com and www.icecast.org ? Can anyone > say when they'll be back on-line ?Those machines are on an SDSL line that got caught in the middle of a contract dispute between DSLnetworks and Covad (it seems DSLnetworks hasn't been paying all its bills, and Covad cut them off-- and all their customers). Whatever we end up having to do, it'll be back as soon as we can manage it. It's been 'any day now' for almost two weeks, not helped by the fact that DSLnetworks has been lying through their teeth.> 2) Where should I go to get the latest Vorbis sources ?http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/ (ogg.org points there too) xiph.org is unaffected byt he outage.> 3) What players, encoders, etc currently support Vorbis ?We stopped tracking when we lost count. If you look at all the apps out there, more support Vorbis than don't at this point. The biggest news right now is that all the major Mac players have bought in, and the next versions of the Sonic Foundry products all support Ogg Vorbis (Sound Forge will have full Ogg support in 5.0, Siren Jukebox already has support).> 4) What extra software exists for Vorbis ? (I'm thinking of things > like the VCE I read about on this list).We'd have to spend a few days tracking down all the products at this point. Can you limit the scope of the question a bit? :-) Maybe jack has been maintaining a list all along and didn;t tell me...> 5) Say I want to listen to a Vorbis stream: where can I go to > connect to one on the net ? What player should I use ? If I use > Netscape, how do I configure it ? Is there an Ogg Vorbis MIME type ?I'll assume you're on UNIX for the moment. That's what I'm most familiar with. Icecast 2.0 is running and streaming Ogg, but hasn't seen official release yet (the biggest reason is the afrementioned SDSL issue; the main icecast.org server is on the affected line. Even moving somewhere else would take time...) To just grab Vorbis files from the net, play on any of the unix players (freeamp, xmms, ogg123, kmpg). XMMS has decent Ogg streaming support at this point, although you'd need to grab/build XMMS from CVS (there's been no official release since streaming was added.) Of course, that'll be a standard included feature in the next XMMS release. At that point, connecting to a vorbis stream is identical to connecting to an mp3 stream. The user wouldn't see any difference.> 6) What's up with Icecast 2.0 and Vorbis ?Icecast 2.0 exists, and if the icecast.org line was up, you could fetch it from the icecast.org BitKeeper repository. Icecast 2.0 streams Ogg natively.> I know, it's a lot of questions, sorry about that. In my defense, I've > become very curious about Vorbis after doing my research on MP3... ;) > > Vast appreciation in advance...Feel free to ask for elaboration on any of the above. I defaulted to 'short answers' to help narrow things down without too much work :-) Also a heads-up: Vorbis beta 4 will be released officially as soon as the bandwidth woes are handled. Monty --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Dave Phillips wrote:> Greetings: > > I'm writing an article for the O'Reilly Network, and the focus is on > streaming audio with Linux. I would like to include material concerning > Vorbis, but I need some information:I don't have all the answers you want, but I can get you started with a few.> 1) What's up with www.vorbis.com and www.icecast.org ? Can anyone > say when they'll be back on-line ?Can't remember exactly what happened, someone pulled the plug on them somehow sometime last week. there was a message to the effect that it was under control, but no word on exactly when they'd reappear. That's one for Jack to answer, probably.> 2) Where should I go to get the latest Vorbis sources ?The short answer is CVS. Vorbis 1.0beta4 is due for release any day now, but of course it's not going to happen while vorbis.com is down. The vorbis developer site is http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/ where you can get nightly CVS snapshots and all that good stuff.> 3) What players, encoders, etc currently support Vorbis ?Oooooh. Umm let me see what I can remember at 6Am. Well there are the tools that come with vorbis (i.e. oggenc and oggdrop encoders, ogg123 command line player, etc). Also contained in vorbis-tools is a vorbis input plugin for winamp, and Jack has recently added a vorbis plugin for realplayer. vorbis-tools also contained an xmms plugin, though this has since been moved into the xmms project itself. Apart from these, freeamp now supports vorbis playback, and lame supports vorbis encoding. The CD ripper CDEX <?> supports vorbis, and there is vorbis support in goldwave as well I think. I think someone also recently wrote vorbis support for cooledit. I'm sure I've left stuff out.> 4) What extra software exists for Vorbis ? (I'm thinking of things > like the VCE I read about on this list).Not a great deal yet, but this is because a lot of it is actually in the vorbis-tools in the main distro. Some are in development though. I can't think of any off the top of my head apart from VCE, though I'm sure there are others.> 5) Say I want to listen to a Vorbis stream: where can I go to > connect to one on the net ? What player should I use ? If I use > Netscape, how do I configure it ? Is there an Ogg Vorbis MIME type ?Big question. Firstly, AFAIC, you can't yet listen to a live stream on the net because there aren't any (see icecast below). There are (were) downloadable samples at vorbis.com, and I think there are others on other vorbis sites around the net. there is a vorbis mime type, application/x-ogg but this is a point of contention amongst the vorbis community at present. Exactly how streaming will be handled is yet to be seen, perhaps with .pls files. Most (all?) players/plugins support streaming to one degree or other, though IMHO this can't be said to be finalised until icecast 2 is ready and all players are compatibal with it.> 6) What's up with Icecast 2.0 and Vorbis ?Last I heard, icecast 2 was at prealpha stage. Unless CVS has changed in the last week or so, it's rather barebones with no docs yet. And icecast.org is down so you won't be getting at CVS that way right now anyway. Icecast is being completely rewritten for 2.0 and will stream vorbis instead of MP3. There is a link to another icecast page on the xiph vorbis site, but I've not yet looked at it. Hope this helps. Geoff. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
I will be interested to read your eventual O'Reilly article. Are you in your journalistic research able to verify the oggies' assertion that Fraunhofer http://www.fraunhofer.de/ owns the patents on MP3 and demands royalties? db --- Dave Phillips <dlphilp@bright.net> wrote:> Greetings: > > I'm writing an article for the O'Reilly Network, > and the focus is on > streaming audio with Linux. I would like to include > material concerning > Vorbis, but I need some information: > > 1) What's up with www.vorbis.com and > www.icecast.org ? Can anyone > say when they'll be back on-line ? > > 2) Where should I go to get the latest Vorbis > sources ? > > 3) What players, encoders, etc currently support > Vorbis ? > > 4) What extra software exists for Vorbis ? (I'm > thinking of things > like the VCE I read about on this list). > > 5) Say I want to listen to a Vorbis stream: > where can I go to > connect to one on the net ? What player should I use > ? If I use > Netscape, how do I configure it ? Is there an Ogg > Vorbis MIME type ? > > 6) What's up with Icecast 2.0 and Vorbis ? > > > I know, it's a lot of questions, sorry about that. > In my defense, I've > become very curious about Vorbis after doing my > research on MP3... ;) > > Vast appreciation in advance... > > Best regards, > > == Dave Phillips > > The Book Of Linux Music & Sound at > http://www.nostarch.com/lms.htm > The Linux Soundapps Site at > http://sound.condorow.net > > Currently listening to: , "" > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. > No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will beignored/filtered. ====Daniel Brockman Pacific Series Company 1-510-769-7805 http://www.pacificseries.com brockman@pacificseries.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ Ogg project homepage: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'vorbis-request@xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.