-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 1.) This is just a curiousity question. And I don''t know if this a Gentooism or not. In regards to when a package is determined "Stable". Shorewall is my example. I''m running Gentoo linux and I have it setup to only allow "emerging" of "stable" pkgs. "I have no idea how they (Gentoo, or the Linux community) determines whether a pkg is stable or not, or what kind of process has to happen before pkg stability is determined". Right now, according to Gentoo, the most current stable pkg for Shorewall is version "Shorewall-1.4.7c", of which, I''m currently running. The most current version of Shorewall on the Shorewall site is 1.4.10RC3. I know that I can manually download and apply anything that I want to my system, but I''m just wondering what kindof **process** (if there is one), happens, that makes a specific pkg build "considered stable"? 2.) When choosing a "Word Wrap at Colums:" selection in my mail client, what is the most curtious setting to choose? Right now I have this set at "78". Is there a preferred selection? Thanks, Joshua Banks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAGgQmp9X7q/XgeyYRAlBYAJ49ggnlAspGNV0++giYfD/V8PlzCACfVyK1 I4BcIFYMg3VXAbhTVd/8Nvc=lY+m -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 30 January 2004 12:13 am, Alexander Gretencord wrote:> Well RC obviously means release candidate so it can''t be "stable", the name > suggests it.Didn''t know what RC meant. Thanks.> Perhaps you should ask the gentoo developers about that, the shorewall list > obviously can''t know that.Actually, Tom runs Gentoo, among other linux flavors, if I remember correctly. I''ve already posted my question to Gentoo but haven''t received a response back. Thanks for your response anyways.> > 2.) When choosing a "Word Wrap at Colums:" selection in my mail client, > > what is the most curtious setting to choose? Right now I have this set at > > "78". Is there a preferred selection?> Normal terminal are 80 characters wide so thats what you shoudl respect.Thanks, Joshua Banks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAGhQPp9X7q/XgeyYRAjeuAJ448dE2OPZxEVC89MHre9V5mrBegQCfQJEF +ZwJQZmURhJrCwmQmMeRG10=3WK3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thursday 29 January 2004 11:13 pm, Joshua Banks wrote:> but I''m just wondering what kindof **process** (if there is one), > happens, that makes a specific pkg build "considered stable"?I would think you would get a better answer to this question by asking it on a Gentoo list rather than posting here.> > 2.) When choosing a "Word Wrap at Colums:" selection in my mail client, > what is the most curtious setting to choose? Right now I have this set at > "78". Is there a preferred selection?Anything under 80 works for me :-) -Tom -- Tom Eastep \ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool Shoreline, \ http://shorewall.net Washington USA \ teastep@shorewall.net
On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 16:35, Tom Eastep wrote:> > 2.) When choosing a "Word Wrap at Colums:" selection in my mail client, > > what is the most curtious setting to choose? Right now I have this set at > > "78". Is there a preferred selection? > > Anything under 80 works for me :-)I''d suggest to go with 76 since quoting (when replying) adds two chars to each line ("> ") and so if you have 78 or more even the first level reply might make the quoted text hardly readable. Petr
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 30 January 2004 07:46 am, Petr Stehlik wrote:> I''d suggest to go with 76 since quoting (when replying) adds two chars > to each line ("> ") and so if you have 78 or more even the first level > reply might make the quoted text hardly readable.Thanks Petr. I will adjust this to 76 then. Thanks, Joshua Banks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAGuFWp9X7q/XgeyYRAn9gAJ9nZs9XwbMfmule+mXrI7fNnvEZ+QCdHwQR 1Bv7mgEd02EAg+N/CCWvTgU=Cb0s -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 30 January 2004 07:57 am, Dark Ryder wrote:> Unless there are specific features of 1.4.8 or above that you need, > there''s no real reason to go for a non-portage version.Thanks. thats good to know.> If you want to, however, you can add a newer version of shorewall to > portage by: > > 1) Creating the directory > "/usr/local/portage/net-firewall/shorewall/files" if it does not already > exist. > 2) Adding the line "PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage" to your > /etc/make.conf, if it is not already present. > 3) Copying /usr/portage/net-firewall/shorewall/files/shorewall to > /usr/local/portage/net-firewall/shorewall/files/shorewall and > /usr/portage/net-firewall/shorewall/shorewall-1.4.7c.ebuild to > /usr/local/portage/net-firewall/shorewall/shorewall-1.4.9.ebuild (for > example) > > This will allow portage to see shorewall-1.4.9 as a valid, stable package > (and it won''t get overwritten when you emerge sync, either).Wow. Thanks. I was actually researching this same type of scheme last night. I will look into this further. Another selection that I''ve looked at is using "ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge <packagename>. Still trying to find out if portage would get over written or not when I do an "emerge sync" with that type of setting. But after reading your comments and everyone elses I believe that I will just stay at the build where I''m at since everything works just fine. Thanks for the portage info though. Funny that none of the Guru''s mentioned your method in response to the same questions posted on the Gentoo forum. If your interested here were some of the suggestions. http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=130131&highlight> It''s considered polite to wrap at a point where 80-column displays will > be able to read the message, for which 78 is just fine. Most mail > readers use 72, however, to allow multiple levels of reply markers "> " > before the wrapping gets messed up.Ok. This is making sense now. I will re-adjust this to 72 then since I''m on a few lists with serveral replies ongoing in the same thread, where the ">>" build up. Thanks. Joshua Banks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAGuc2p9X7q/XgeyYRAk9PAKCft3Z+L8ffnUeFWXr4Q5BiDjtEkQCfe5or mYfKYWtcQoS+jnuwg1M2xpY=DNW3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Friday 30 January 2004 16:46, Petr Stehlik wrote:> I''d suggest to go with 76 since quoting (when replying) adds two chars > to each line ("> ") and so if you have 78 or more even the first level > reply might make the quoted text hardly readable.A good mail client does not rely on you guessing the maximum number of quoting levels you will normally encounter but just adjusts line lengths and quote chars on the fly. So even _80_ should work correctly. Mostly it does not though. Oh and btw, 78+2 is 80 for me, so it should not line break. Alex