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...ip> > Yeah, there are very few of us that completely skipped > MS-DOS/MS-Windows/MacOS-Clasic and *never* used a graphical file manager or > any of the eye-candy that people now believe is "standard" or "normal". I > went from VMS on a VT<whatever> to a VAXStation 2000 to a VAXStation 3000, to > DECStation 5000, to Linux, with some time spent on CP/M-68K and OS-9/68000, as > well as SunOS, IRIX, etc. *I* have never owned a machine running any verison > of MS-Windows (I did have a box that dual booted MS-DOS and Linux). > VTs? How about...

...teresting nonetheless. > > I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning all of the > "modern" desktop managers). I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a Tcl/Tk coded > "menu manager" program. My screen looks almost like a 1980s vintage > VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows. Right now on C6 and using as little of > Gnome2 as it will let me (one panel). File Manage set to /bin/true. No > "start" menu nonsense, no desktop icons either, just a fvwm iconbox for > running programs and a 10 element Workspace switcher. And yes...

...t; > > > I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning all of the > > "modern" desktop managers). I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a Tcl/Tk coded > > "menu manager" program. My screen looks almost like a 1980s vintage > > VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows. Right now on C6 and using as little of > > Gnome2 as it will let me (one panel). File Manage set to /bin/true. No > > "start" menu nonsense, no desktop icons either, just a fvwm iconbox for > > running programs and a 10 element Workspace swi...

...ah, there are very few of us that completely skipped > > MS-DOS/MS-Windows/MacOS-Clasic and *never* used a graphical file manager or > > any of the eye-candy that people now believe is "standard" or "normal". I > > went from VMS on a VT<whatever> to a VAXStation 2000 to a VAXStation 3000, to > > DECStation 5000, to Linux, with some time spent on CP/M-68K and OS-9/68000, as > > well as SunOS, IRIX, etc. *I* have never owned a machine running any verison > > of MS-Windows (I did have a box that dual booted MS-DOS and Linux). > &gt...

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/rhel_deprecates_kde/ That's still several years in the future, of course. I use Mate on all of my machines rather than Gnome or KDE and I'm sure many of you fine folks do the same. But it's interesting nonetheless. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Real D 3D Digital Cinema ~ www.melvilletheatre.com

...t like Gnome or really any of the mess-windows flavored desktop systems and no, I don't like the MacOSX flavored desktop systems (like Ubuntu's Unity) either. The 'desktop' system (if you could have called it that) that I learned on was DEC's 'DecWindows' system on a VAXStation 2000 (under VMS). This was basically a rebranded Motif system with MWM and used DEC's *simple* session manager. I presently use FVWM in MWM compatibilty mode and a home written session manager written in Tcl/Tk. I use FVWM's icon box module to manage the run-time icons for running...

...> But it's interesting nonetheless. I one of the few (?) people who use "none of the above" (meaning all of the "modern" desktop managers). I use fvwm in MWM mode and have a Tcl/Tk coded "menu manager" program. My screen looks almost like a 1980s vintage VaxStation 3000 running DECWindows. Right now on C6 and using as little of Gnome2 as it will let me (one panel). File Manage set to /bin/true. No "start" menu nonsense, no desktop icons either, just a fvwm iconbox for running programs and a 10 element Workspace switcher. And yes, I use actu...

Hi there. I got myself a pair of old Intel Xeon blades, which I plan to repurpose with CentOS. The model is : HP bl20p-g3 server blade Manual http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12322_ca/12322_ca.pdf Now, the main problem with this hardware is that LVD UW SCSI HDDs are hard to find and hella expensive if you find em (and of reduced capacity). Any of you know: 1. If there's any

Hi folks I have more than 12 years experience with UNIX system administration, but I am too stupid for programming. My only programming experience is shell scripting. I tried to learn Java, but don't understand it because it is too complicated for my limited brainpower. What programming language should I learn? A friend said that C-Sharp (Mono) is very simple. Is this true? cheers Sven

Hi, This is not meant to be critical of R, but is intended as a possible source for improvements to R. SAS needs the competition. I am reasonably knowledgeable about R SAS-(all products including IML) SAS and R run on Windows(all flavors) UNIX(all flavors) Apple OSs Does R run on natively (no emulation)? We have quite a few users on these systems VAX-VMS Z-OS (mainframe) MVS VM/CMS(IBM)