samba - Jun 2020 - Samba vs Windows - File sharing in a domain setting

I've been working with Samba in an AD domain setting for several years now.
Small potatoes, nothing fancy. A few months ago, I came across the
limitation of Samba, in comparison to file sharing from a Windows server,
that, at the current moment, it doesn't offer an indexing service that is
compatible with Windows Search. So, no matter how much I like Samba, if I
need this feature, I have no choice but to use Windows.

I can't say that I'm very experienced with the file serving capabilities
of
Windows, having used Samba predominantly for this task, so I'm really just
wondering, which other such limitations exist when comparing a file share
provided by a Samba member vis-a-vis a file share on Windows server
machine?

It's really not about personal preference, I'm interested in those
situations where Samba is simply not up to the task such as the example for
Windows Search. Or vice versa, where Samba has actually proven to be
better.

Thanks for sharing!

Viktor

I dont know if you want this but i think, its close to what you.

https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Spotlight_with_Elasticsearch_Backend 


Greetz, 

Louis
 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: samba [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens 
> Viktor Trojanovic via samba
> Verzonden: dinsdag 2 juni 2020 15:32
> Aan: samba
> Onderwerp: [Samba] Samba vs Windows - File sharing in a domain setting
> 
> I've been working with Samba in an AD domain setting for 
> several years now.
> Small potatoes, nothing fancy. A few months ago, I came across the
> limitation of Samba, in comparison to file sharing from a 
> Windows server,
> that, at the current moment, it doesn't offer an indexing 
> service that is
> compatible with Windows Search. So, no matter how much I like 
> Samba, if I
> need this feature, I have no choice but to use Windows.
> 
> I can't say that I'm very experienced with the file serving 
> capabilities of
> Windows, having used Samba predominantly for this task, so 
> I'm really just
> wondering, which other such limitations exist when comparing 
> a file share
> provided by a Samba member vis-a-vis a file share on Windows server
> machine?
> 
> It's really not about personal preference, I'm interested in those
> situations where Samba is simply not up to the task such as 
> the example for
> Windows Search. Or vice versa, where Samba has actually proven to be
> better.
> 
> Thanks for sharing!
> 
> Viktor
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Hi Louis,

The idea I had with this thread is to just get an honest comparison 
between Windows and Samba when it comes to file sharing needs in the 
Windows world, the missing Windows Search capability was just an example 
to get the discussion going.

If I understand your reference correctly, there is a solution, 
compatible with Apple's Spotlight, to index files on a Samba server 
using Elasticsearch and fscrawler. This is very interesting and 
certainly great news for Apple users but nothing comparable is available 
for Windows users wanting or, in my case, having to work with the 
Windows Search service.

On 02.06.2020 16:07, L.P.H. van Belle via samba wrote:
> I dont know if you want this but i think, its close to what you.
>
> https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Spotlight_with_Elasticsearch_Backend
>
>
> Greetz,
>
> Louis
>   
>
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: samba [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens
>> Viktor Trojanovic via samba
>> Verzonden: dinsdag 2 juni 2020 15:32
>> Aan: samba
>> Onderwerp: [Samba] Samba vs Windows - File sharing in a domain setting
>>
>> I've been working with Samba in an AD domain setting for
>> several years now.
>> Small potatoes, nothing fancy. A few months ago, I came across the
>> limitation of Samba, in comparison to file sharing from a
>> Windows server,
>> that, at the current moment, it doesn't offer an indexing
>> service that is
>> compatible with Windows Search. So, no matter how much I like
>> Samba, if I
>> need this feature, I have no choice but to use Windows.
>>
>> I can't say that I'm very experienced with the file serving
>> capabilities of
>> Windows, having used Samba predominantly for this task, so
>> I'm really just
>> wondering, which other such limitations exist when comparing
>> a file share
>> provided by a Samba member vis-a-vis a file share on Windows server
>> machine?
>>
>> It's really not about personal preference, I'm interested in
those
>> situations where Samba is simply not up to the task such as
>> the example for
>> Windows Search. Or vice versa, where Samba has actually proven to be
>> better.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing!
>>
>> Viktor
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>> instructions:  https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
>>
>>
>

Hai Viktor, 

I dont know or can't tell if this setup can use the windows indexing, i
havent looked in to that.
I dont use windows indexer. 

But i do know if you setup as shown and you add a webpage to the server, 
that makes is also usable for Windows users to search. 

There was some work done in the area
https://sambaxp.org/fileadmin/user_upload/sambaxp2017-Slides/Windows_Search_Protocol_recap___update_-_Jim_McDonough.pdf

https://github.com/noelpower/samba/tree/WSP-WIP 

But i dont know the exact status of it. 

And one that looks promising is also this one. 
https://github.com/shirosaidev/diskover
Look at the vidoes on that page ;-) really nice .. ( not topic related tho..) 

Greetz, 

Louis

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: samba [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens 
> Viktor Trojanovic via samba
> Verzonden: dinsdag 2 juni 2020 18:25
> Aan: samba at lists.samba.org
> Onderwerp: Re: [Samba] Samba vs Windows - File sharing in a 
> domain setting
> 
> Hi Louis,
> 
> The idea I had with this thread is to just get an honest comparison 
> between Windows and Samba when it comes to file sharing needs in the 
> Windows world, the missing Windows Search capability was just 
> an example 
> to get the discussion going.
> 
> If I understand your reference correctly, there is a solution, 
> compatible with Apple's Spotlight, to index files on a Samba server 
> using Elasticsearch and fscrawler. This is very interesting and 
> certainly great news for Apple users but nothing comparable 
> is available 
> for Windows users wanting or, in my case, having to work with the 
> Windows Search service.
> 
> On 02.06.2020 16:07, L.P.H. van Belle via samba wrote:
> > I dont know if you want this but i think, its close to what you.
> >
> > 
> https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Spotlight_with_Elasticsearch_Backend
> >
> >
> > Greetz,
> >
> > Louis
> >   
> >
> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> >> Van: samba [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens
> >> Viktor Trojanovic via samba
> >> Verzonden: dinsdag 2 juni 2020 15:32
> >> Aan: samba
> >> Onderwerp: [Samba] Samba vs Windows - File sharing in a 
> domain setting
> >>
> >> I've been working with Samba in an AD domain setting for
> >> several years now.
> >> Small potatoes, nothing fancy. A few months ago, I came across the
> >> limitation of Samba, in comparison to file sharing from a
> >> Windows server,
> >> that, at the current moment, it doesn't offer an indexing
> >> service that is
> >> compatible with Windows Search. So, no matter how much I like
> >> Samba, if I
> >> need this feature, I have no choice but to use Windows.
> >>
> >> I can't say that I'm very experienced with the file
serving
> >> capabilities of
> >> Windows, having used Samba predominantly for this task, so
> >> I'm really just
> >> wondering, which other such limitations exist when comparing
> >> a file share
> >> provided by a Samba member vis-a-vis a file share on Windows
server
> >> machine?
> >>
> >> It's really not about personal preference, I'm interested
in those
> >> situations where Samba is simply not up to the task such as
> >> the example for
> >> Windows Search. Or vice versa, where Samba has actually 
> proven to be
> >> better.
> >>
> >> Thanks for sharing!
> >>
> >> Viktor
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> >> instructions:  https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
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