samba - Aug 2016 - Hyper-V Virtual Machines fail to start on Samba shares

Am 06.08.2016 um 10:47 schrieb Rowland Penny:
> On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 10:09:01 +0200
> Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:
>
>> Am 06.08.2016 um 08:53 schrieb Rowland Penny:
>>> On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 14:42:32 +0200
>>> Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 05.08.2016 um 14:18 schrieb Rowland Penny:
>>>>> On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 04:47:05 -0400
>>>>> Steve Ankeny <steve_a at cinergymetro.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What about the use of 'realm = RES.LOCAL'?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have given up bothering about people who are unwise
enough to
>>>>> use .local. It must be splattered all over the internet by
now
>>>>> that .local shouldn't be used
>>>>
>>>> to be honest - unwise where the fools which came to the idea
making
>>>> .local a defined reserved TLD after it was used for decades
freely
>>>> instead use .zeroconf for what .local was abused for
>>>
>>> Yes and then he came up with systemd
>>
>> since when came Apple up with systemd?
>> avahi is just a implementation
>
> Stop being obtuse, you know I didn't mean Apple, you also know I meant
> the idiot that wrote 'Avahi' for linux (he also wrote pulseaudio,
> another fine piece of software, or not as your opinion might be)
i know who you meant but that person *did not* reserve .local and so 
stop abuse unrelated people because things they are not responsible for 
just because you have a problem using their software for whatever reason 
- that's it

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On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 18:18:22 +0200
Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:

> i know who you meant but that person *did not* reserve .local and so 
> stop abuse unrelated people because things they are not responsible
> for just because you have a problem using their software for whatever
> reason 
> - that's it
> 
I know who first started using .local, it was a bad idea and when
'Avahi' for Linux was written, this could have been fixed, but it
wasn't.

I am not abusing anybody, I am just voicing my opinion and my opinion
is that anything written by 'you know who' has a lot of problems and
should be avoided like the plague.

Why ? I hear you saying, well for an instance, download Fedora 24,
remove network-manager and setup a fixed ip, just like you can on
Debian by altering the files, reboot. You will find
that /etc/resolv.conf has disappeared and when you try to recreate it,
you will find you cannot, this is because systemd now makes /etc
readonly.

Rowland

Am 06.08.2016 um 18:51 schrieb Rowland Penny:
> On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 18:18:22 +0200
> Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:
>
>
>> i know who you meant but that person *did not* reserve .local and so
>> stop abuse unrelated people because things they are not responsible
>> for just because you have a problem using their software for whatever
>> reason - that's it
>
> I know who first started using .local, it was a bad idea and when
> 'Avahi' for Linux was written, this could have been fixed, but it
> wasn't.
no it couldn't in case of a *compatible* implementation which is 
essentail when you use more than one operating system
> I am not abusing anybody, I am just voicing my opinion and my opinion
> is that anything written by 'you know who' has a lot of problems
and
> should be avoided like the plague.
that's just your optinion
> Why ? I hear you saying, well for an instance, download Fedora 24,
> remove network-manager and setup a fixed ip, just like you can on
> Debian by altering the files, reboot. You will find
> that /etc/resolv.conf has disappeared and when you try to recreate it,
> you will find you cannot, this is because systemd now makes /etc
> readonly
nonsense, all our developer desktops as well as our production servers 
are currently running Fedora 24 - with a customized /etc/resolv.conf - 
fileserver, webservers, nameservers, routers, wlan-ap and what not else

you only showed that you where unable or unwilling to cope with changes 
and learn how systemd works - you are free to do so - but then *please* 
stop spreading unqualified FUD

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On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 05:51:14PM +0100, Rowland Penny
wrote:
> 
> I know who first started using .local, it was a bad idea and when
> 'Avahi' for Linux was written, this could have been fixed, but it
> wasn't.
> 
> I am not abusing anybody, I am just voicing my opinion and my opinion
> is that anything written by 'you know who' has a lot of problems
and
> should be avoided like the plague.
> 
> Why ? I hear you saying, well for an instance, download Fedora 24,
> remove network-manager and setup a fixed ip, just like you can on
> Debian by altering the files, reboot. You will find
> that /etc/resolv.conf has disappeared and when you try to recreate it,
> you will find you cannot, this is because systemd now makes /etc
> readonly.
Rowland, please be nice on the lists. This isn't a systemd
discussion forum in the same way it isn't an sssd discussion
forum :-).

(Don't know what it is about systemd but it does seem to
start political flamewars - personally I can take it or
leave it but I'm not religious about init systems :-).

Cheers,

	Jeremy.