samba - Jan 2015 - question about installing samba and writing VFS module...

On 1/21/2015 11:49 AM, Rowland Penny wrote:
> On 21/01/15 15:40, Ed Sutter wrote:
>> On 1/21/2015 10:18 AM, Rowland Penny wrote:
>>> On 21/01/15 15:05, Ed Sutter wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I'm new to Samba.  My goal is to write a VFS module.
>>>> I've been able to do this somewhat successfully; however
there must be a better way...
>>>>
>>>> On my first attempt at this, I just installed samba using
apt-get and configured
>>>> the system to be a samba server (this worked just fine).
>>>>
>>>> Then, since I wanna build a VFS module, I'm assuming I need
to build everything from
>>>> source, create my module (derived from one of the examples) and
then install
>>>> everything.
>>>>
>>>> So, I downloaded the latest tarball (at the time that was
samba-4.1.14), unpacked
>>>> it and did "./configure, make & sudo make
install". This appears to install binaries
>>>> to /usr/local/samba, but does not affect the runtime samba
which was pulled in by
>>>> apt-get initially.
>>>> I ended up manually coping all of /usr/local/samba/bin to
/usr/bin and /usr/sbin.
>>>> I also had to hack /etc/init.d/smbd and /etc/init.d/nmbd to
ignore upstart.
>>>> I was also able to rebuild the full_audit VFS example (with a
slight modification)
>>>> and verify that it was working.
>>>>
>>>> Yea, major hack.  So now I start over with a few questions...
>>>>
>>>> 1. I assume if I'm modifying a VFS module, I need to build
everything and install
>>>> from source right?
>>>> 2. What does "make install" do for me?  It
doesn't appear to do an install that then
>>>> runs on my next system startup.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help/advice.
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, yes, if you compile samba4 yourself then it will all end up in
/usr/local/samba, this is the default location, but you can change it. if,
instead of running './configure', you run './configure --help'
this will show you all the options you can change, by setting the right ones,
you can get 'make install' to put the samba binaries etc in the same
place as your install.
>>>
>>> Having said that, what is your vfs module going to do and are you
going to offer it to samba ??
>>>
>>> Rowland
>> Thanks for the quick response.
>> I had looked at that (./configure --help), but still wasn't sure
what to change.  For "make install" to do the equivalent of "sudo
apt-get install samba" it seems like there are a lot of destination
directories (bin, lib, etc).  Is there a known set of .configure options that
will essentially do what "apt-get install samba" does?
>> Regarding the module...
>> This is for a small embedded system (beaglebone) so that multiple PCs
can access various networked files and trigger some switches (gpio pins).
>> Probably not very generically useful; but if I get it working I'll
gladly submit it.
>> Ed
>
> having never used/seen a beaglebone, isn't it something like an
raspberry pi, in which case, why don't you install debian wheezy and use
backports, this will get you 4.1.11, or you can could use jessie and this will
get you 4.1.13. You could then download the source package and rebuild the deb,
adding your patches.
>
> In any case, I would do the main development work on a PC first, this is
bound to be faster, I once compiled S4 on an rpi and it took hours.
>
> Rowland
Yea, beaglebone is similar but more powerful than raspberry pi.
I did just what you're suggesting.  Basically had things working to a point
where I wanted to move over to the beaglebone.
Its running ubuntu 14.04 now, and I was able to do an "apt-get install
samba" onboard.  I can also pull down the samba tarball and build it
onboard.  All good.  Now I just need to understand how to install from the
source so that it looks the same as "apt-get install samba".  This is
independent of it being on beaglebone or a PC, so if I knew how to do it on a PC
I'd be happy.
Here's where I'm confused...
1. Ubuntu uses "upstart", so "apt-get install samba" puts a
few .conf files in /etc/init.  How do I tell "make install" to do the
same?  Or, where can I get the *.conf files that should be used here?
2. Based on configure --help, I can change PREFIX and EXEC-PREFIX; but that
doesn't work for all paths.  For example, if I set PREFIX so that SYSCONFDIR
points to "/etc", then INCLUDEDIR points to /include (bad).  Does this
mean that a "whole bunch" of pre-defined installation directories have
to be overridden on the command line?

Sorry for all the words, just trying to get through this...
Bottom line, if I knew how to configure things so that "make install"
would essentially do the same thing as "sudo apt-get install samba" on
a ubuntu 14.04 machine, then I'd be a happy camper.  Ignore the beaglebone
part of this.

On 21/01/15 17:12, Ed Sutter wrote:
> On 1/21/2015 11:49 AM, Rowland Penny wrote:
>> On 21/01/15 15:40, Ed Sutter wrote:
>>> On 1/21/2015 10:18 AM, Rowland Penny wrote:
>>>> On 21/01/15 15:05, Ed Sutter wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I'm new to Samba.  My goal is to write a VFS module.
>>>>> I've been able to do this somewhat successfully;
however there
>>>>> must be a better way...
>>>>>
>>>>> On my first attempt at this, I just installed samba using
apt-get
>>>>> and configured
>>>>> the system to be a samba server (this worked just fine).
>>>>>
>>>>> Then, since I wanna build a VFS module, I'm assuming I
need to
>>>>> build everything from
>>>>> source, create my module (derived from one of the examples)
and
>>>>> then install
>>>>> everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I downloaded the latest tarball (at the time that was 
>>>>> samba-4.1.14), unpacked
>>>>> it and did "./configure, make & sudo make
install". This appears
>>>>> to install binaries
>>>>> to /usr/local/samba, but does not affect the runtime samba
which
>>>>> was pulled in by
>>>>> apt-get initially.
>>>>> I ended up manually coping all of /usr/local/samba/bin to
/usr/bin
>>>>> and /usr/sbin.
>>>>> I also had to hack /etc/init.d/smbd and /etc/init.d/nmbd to
ignore
>>>>> upstart.
>>>>> I was also able to rebuild the full_audit VFS example (with
a
>>>>> slight modification)
>>>>> and verify that it was working.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yea, major hack.  So now I start over with a few
questions...
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. I assume if I'm modifying a VFS module, I need to
build
>>>>> everything and install
>>>>> from source right?
>>>>> 2. What does "make install" do for me?  It
doesn't appear to do an
>>>>> install that then
>>>>> runs on my next system startup.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any help/advice.
>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi, yes, if you compile samba4 yourself then it will all end up
in
>>>> /usr/local/samba, this is the default location, but you can
change
>>>> it. if, instead of running './configure', you run
'./configure
>>>> --help' this will show you all the options you can change,
by
>>>> setting the right ones, you can get 'make install' to
put the samba
>>>> binaries etc in the same place as your install.
>>>>
>>>> Having said that, what is your vfs module going to do and are
you
>>>> going to offer it to samba ??
>>>>
>>>> Rowland
>>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>> I had looked at that (./configure --help), but still wasn't
sure
>>> what to change.  For "make install" to do the equivalent
of "sudo
>>> apt-get install samba" it seems like there are a lot of
destination
>>> directories (bin, lib, etc).  Is there a known set of .configure 
>>> options that will essentially do what "apt-get install
samba" does?
>>> Regarding the module...
>>> This is for a small embedded system (beaglebone) so that multiple 
>>> PCs can access various networked files and trigger some switches 
>>> (gpio pins).
>>> Probably not very generically useful; but if I get it working
I'll
>>> gladly submit it.
>>> Ed
>>
>> having never used/seen a beaglebone, isn't it something like an 
>> raspberry pi, in which case, why don't you install debian wheezy
and
>> use backports, this will get you 4.1.11, or you can could use jessie 
>> and this will get you 4.1.13. You could then download the source 
>> package and rebuild the deb, adding your patches.
>>
>> In any case, I would do the main development work on a PC first, this 
>> is bound to be faster, I once compiled S4 on an rpi and it took hours.
>>
>> Rowland
> Yea, beaglebone is similar but more powerful than raspberry pi.
> I did just what you're suggesting.  Basically had things working to a 
> point where I wanted to move over to the beaglebone.
> Its running ubuntu 14.04 now, and I was able to do an "apt-get install
> samba" onboard.  I can also pull down the samba tarball and build it 
> onboard.  All good.  Now I just need to understand how to install from 
> the source so that it looks the same as "apt-get install samba". 
This
> is independent of it being on beaglebone or a PC, so if I knew how to 
> do it on a PC I'd be happy.
> Here's where I'm confused...
> 1. Ubuntu uses "upstart", so "apt-get install samba"
puts a few .conf
> files in /etc/init.  How do I tell "make install" to do the same?
Or,
> where can I get the *.conf files that should be used here?
> 2. Based on configure --help, I can change PREFIX and EXEC-PREFIX; but 
> that doesn't work for all paths.  For example, if I set PREFIX so that 
> SYSCONFDIR points to "/etc", then INCLUDEDIR points to /include 
> (bad).  Does this mean that a "whole bunch" of pre-defined 
> installation directories have to be overridden on the command line?
>
> Sorry for all the words, just trying to get through this...
> Bottom line, if I knew how to configure things so that "make
install"
> would essentially do the same thing as "sudo apt-get install
samba" on
> a ubuntu 14.04 machine, then I'd be a happy camper.  Ignore the 
> beaglebone part of this.
>
>
OK, if this was debian, this would be fairly easy, so, as it's ubuntu, 
it should be fairly easy too (famous last words).

Lets pretend it is debian :-)

Read this: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingAPackage

Now, if you download the samba source package from wheezy backports and 
then enter the dir that gets created (samba-4.1.11+dfsg) then the debian 
dir, you will find a file called 'rules', this should give you all the 
info you asked for.

But, you shouldn't have to do it manually, if you patch the code with 
your code and then build as per the webpages instructions, you should 
end up with a deb that will install over the already installed samba 
packages.

Rowland

On 1/21/2015 1:35 PM, Rowland Penny wrote:
> On 21/01/15 17:12, Ed Sutter wrote:
>> On 1/21/2015 11:49 AM, Rowland Penny wrote:
>>> On 21/01/15 15:40, Ed Sutter wrote:
>>>> On 1/21/2015 10:18 AM, Rowland Penny wrote:
>>>>> On 21/01/15 15:05, Ed Sutter wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I'm new to Samba.  My goal is to write a VFS
module.
>>>>>> I've been able to do this somewhat successfully;
however there must be a better way...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On my first attempt at this, I just installed samba
using apt-get and configured
>>>>>> the system to be a samba server (this worked just
fine).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then, since I wanna build a VFS module, I'm
assuming I need to build everything from
>>>>>> source, create my module (derived from one of the
examples) and then install
>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I downloaded the latest tarball (at the time that
was samba-4.1.14), unpacked
>>>>>> it and did "./configure, make & sudo make
install". This appears to install binaries
>>>>>> to /usr/local/samba, but does not affect the runtime
samba which was pulled in by
>>>>>> apt-get initially.
>>>>>> I ended up manually coping all of /usr/local/samba/bin
to /usr/bin and /usr/sbin.
>>>>>> I also had to hack /etc/init.d/smbd and
/etc/init.d/nmbd to ignore upstart.
>>>>>> I was also able to rebuild the full_audit VFS example
(with a slight modification)
>>>>>> and verify that it was working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yea, major hack.  So now I start over with a few
questions...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. I assume if I'm modifying a VFS module, I need
to build everything and install
>>>>>> from source right?
>>>>>> 2. What does "make install" do for me?  It
doesn't appear to do an install that then
>>>>>> runs on my next system startup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for any help/advice.
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, yes, if you compile samba4 yourself then it will all
end up in /usr/local/samba, this is the default location, but you can change it.
if, instead of running './configure', you run './configure
--help' this will show you all the options you can change, by setting the
right ones, you can get 'make install' to put the samba binaries etc in
the same place as your install.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having said that, what is your vfs module going to do and
are you going to offer it to samba ??
>>>>>
>>>>> Rowland
>>>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>>> I had looked at that (./configure --help), but still wasn't
sure what to change.  For "make install" to do the equivalent of
"sudo apt-get install samba" it seems like there are a lot of
destination directories (bin, lib, etc). Is there a known set of .configure
options that will essentially do what "apt-get install samba" does?
>>>> Regarding the module...
>>>> This is for a small embedded system (beaglebone) so that
multiple PCs can access various networked files and trigger some switches (gpio
pins).
>>>> Probably not very generically useful; but if I get it working
I'll gladly submit it.
>>>> Ed
>>>
>>> having never used/seen a beaglebone, isn't it something like an
raspberry pi, in which case, why don't you install debian wheezy and use
backports, this will get you 4.1.11, or you can could use jessie and this will
get you 4.1.13. You could then download the source package and rebuild the deb,
adding your patches.
>>>
>>> In any case, I would do the main development work on a PC first,
this is bound to be faster, I once compiled S4 on an rpi and it took hours.
>>>
>>> Rowland
>> Yea, beaglebone is similar but more powerful than raspberry pi.
>> I did just what you're suggesting.  Basically had things working to
a point where I wanted to move over to the beaglebone.
>> Its running ubuntu 14.04 now, and I was able to do an "apt-get
install samba" onboard.  I can also pull down the samba tarball and build
it onboard.  All good.  Now I just need to understand how to install from the
source so that it looks the same as "apt-get install samba".  This is
independent of it being on beaglebone or a PC, so if I knew how to do it on a PC
I'd be happy.
>> Here's where I'm confused...
>> 1. Ubuntu uses "upstart", so "apt-get install
samba" puts a few .conf files in /etc/init.  How do I tell "make
install" to do the same?  Or, where can I get the *.conf files that should
be used here?
>> 2. Based on configure --help, I can change PREFIX and EXEC-PREFIX; but
that doesn't work for all paths.  For example, if I set PREFIX so that
SYSCONFDIR points to "/etc", then INCLUDEDIR points to /include (bad).
Does this mean that a "whole bunch" of pre-defined installation
directories have to be overridden on the command line?
>>
>> Sorry for all the words, just trying to get through this...
>> Bottom line, if I knew how to configure things so that "make
install" would essentially do the same thing as "sudo apt-get install
samba" on a ubuntu 14.04 machine, then I'd be a happy camper.  Ignore
the beaglebone part of this.
>>
>>
>
> OK, if this was debian, this would be fairly easy, so, as it's ubuntu,
it should be fairly easy too (famous last words).
>
> Lets pretend it is debian :-)
>
> Read this: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingAPackage
>
> Now, if you download the samba source package from wheezy backports and
then enter the dir that gets created (samba-4.1.11+dfsg) then the debian dir,
you will find a file called 'rules', this should give you all the info
you asked for.
>
> But, you shouldn't have to do it manually, if you patch the code with
your code and then build as per the webpages instructions, you should end up
with a deb that will install over the already installed samba packages.
>
> Rowland
Maybe I should take a step back here...
Am I correct to assume that if I want to build a VFS module, I need to
build/install the entire samba package?
Or am I able to just use apt-get for samba, then build the VFS module and insert
that into the system?
Thanks again for your answers (and patience).
Ed