samba - Mar 2002 - Printing Unsolved: samba-2.2.3a, w2k and point & print (HP printers?)

Hi all,

SHOULD POINT AND PRINT WORK WITH OPTIONAL DEVICE PARTS
(eg. DUPLEX UNIT)?
(If anyone managed to get it work please tell me:-))

Problem Description:
==============We have samba-2.2.3a (with patched srv_spoolss_nt) running on
SuSE 7.3 with kernel version 2.4.17-SMP. Clients are running Windows 2000 SP2.
We have several HP printers.  We want to distribute the print drivers using
"point & print" download technology.
Having the print$ share defined we are able to upload the drivers as
explained in   the Samba-Howto_collection.pdf section 6.2.2 or
via the Windows Add Printer Wizard (same doc sec. 6.2.4).
Both works, downloading the printer drivers works too.  So everything
seems to be fine but here's the PROBLEM:

Some of our printers have a duplex unit and/or added optional trays,
eg. HP LaserJet 8100DN wtih duplex unit or HP LaserJet 4050DN
with optional tray and duplex unit.
Even if connected as root and configuring these things, settings are not
passed to "normal" users. All these settings are configured via 
the configure tab in the printers properties window. You don't find
these things in Printing Preferences or Prinitng Defaults windows 
(accessible via Printing Properties -> General or Advanced).

Same holds true for assigning paper sizes to special trays (ntforms tab).
If a user who is not in the "printer admin" list connects the printer
all these settings are lost. Connecting again as printer admin or root,
everything is ok.

QUESTION:
========
Should these things work with samba? Or are we expecting somthing
to work which was never in mind of the developers? 
I can't believe that, because ntprinters.tdb changes if I configure a duplex
unit (compared tdb dumps before and after changing the configuration)
and it will be difficult to administer these things with more than 200 users
and over a dozen printers in mind.

To put all users (groups) into the "printer admin" list or give
everybody
"manage printer permissions" seem to be  bad
workarounds as they can misconfigure the printers and do even
some other nasty things.

We use Printer drivers from HP and tried both "Windows Nt and Windows
2000"
and "Windows 2000 and Windows XP" drivers (eg. lj354en.exe and
lj1139en.exe).
No difference at all.
If more Information is needed please tell me. 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks,
Harald Hutter
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> Should these things work with samba?
All point-and-printing works fine for me with Samba 2.2.2 on a 20 client
WinNT/200/95 network. I had problems with printing after upgrading to 2.2.3a
(as have many others judging by recent traffic on this list), so I went back
down again.

I think I recall seeing a patch to 2.2.3a for saving per user printer
defaults, you may be able to find it in the searchable archives linked from
the Samba web pages.

Steven