rspec users - Mar 2008 - Given .. and .. - And requires capitalisation

Hi Guys,

Just writing out a plain English story and was surprised to see one of my
steps wasn''t listed as pending.  It turned out it was because I had
started
the line with and instead of And.  Is there any reason why and
shouldn''t be
an alias for And?

Tim.
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On Mar 31, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Tim Haines wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Just writing out a plain English story and was surprised to see one  
> of my steps wasn''t listed as pending.  It turned out it was
because
> I had started the line with and instead of And.  Is there any reason  
> why and shouldn''t be an alias for And?
Tim,

I would get it is because ''and'' (lower case) is a reserved
word in
Ruby. Note that all of these commands are uppercase. I don''t think  
they can alias ''and'' without potentially breaking lots of
valid ruby
code (not everyone uses ''&&'' for
''and'' exclusively).

cr

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Chuck Remes <cremes.devlist at mac.com>
wrote:
>  On Mar 31, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Tim Haines wrote:
>  > Hi Guys,
>  >
>  > Just writing out a plain English story and was surprised to see one
>  > of my steps wasn''t listed as pending.  It turned out it was
because
>  > I had started the line with and instead of And.  Is there any reason
>  > why and shouldn''t be an alias for And?
>
>  I would get it is because ''and'' (lower case) is a
reserved word in
>  Ruby. Note that all of these commands are uppercase. I don''t
think
>  they can alias ''and'' without potentially breaking lots
of valid ruby
>  code (not everyone uses ''&&'' for
''and'' exclusively).
Additionally, ''when'' and ''then'' are Ruby
keywords. This is the reason
that all the methods are uppercase in Ruby, and they are the same in
plain text for consistency.

Cool.    I didn''t know about and and Ruby.  :-)

thanks!

On 01/04/2008, Chuck Remes <cremes.devlist at mac.com>
wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Tim Haines wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Just writing out a plain English story and was surprised to see one
> > of my steps wasn''t listed as pending.  It turned out it was
because
> > I had started the line with and instead of And.  Is there any reason
> > why and shouldn''t be an alias for And?
>
>
> Tim,
>
> I would get it is because ''and'' (lower case) is a
reserved word in
> Ruby. Note that all of these commands are uppercase. I don''t think
> they can alias ''and'' without potentially breaking lots of
valid ruby
> code (not everyone uses ''&&'' for
''and'' exclusively).
>
> cr
>
> _______________________________________________
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I don''t know how the plain text stories are parsed, but would it be
reasonable to expect that if they are "plain text" rather than ruby,
then
lower case ''and'' could be used interchangeably?   Is
consistency really
required here?  I''m thinking I would like other people writing stories
for
me in the future, and this seems like it would just be another PITA thing to
fix after receiving stories from them..  And at the moment if not fixed,
they''ll just be silently ignored (v1.1.3) - which seems baaad.

Tim.

On 01/04/2008, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Chuck Remes <cremes.devlist at
mac.com>
> wrote:
> >  On Mar 31, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Tim Haines wrote:
> >  > Hi Guys,
> >  >
> >  > Just writing out a plain English story and was surprised to see
one
> >  > of my steps wasn''t listed as pending.  It turned out it
was because
> >  > I had started the line with and instead of And.  Is there any
reason
> >  > why and shouldn''t be an alias for And?
> >
>
> >  I would get it is because ''and'' (lower case) is a
reserved word in
> >  Ruby. Note that all of these commands are uppercase. I don''t
think
> >  they can alias ''and'' without potentially breaking
lots of valid ruby
> >  code (not everyone uses ''&&'' for
''and'' exclusively).
>
>
> Additionally, ''when'' and ''then'' are
Ruby keywords. This is the reason
> that all the methods are uppercase in Ruby, and they are the same in
> plain text for consistency.
>
> _______________________________________________
> rspec-users mailing list
> rspec-users at rubyforge.org
> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users
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On Mar 31, 2008, at 6:29 PM, "Tim Haines" <tmhaines at
gmail.com> wrote:
> I don''t know how the plain text stories are parsed, but would it
be
> reasonable to expect that if they are "plain text" rather than
ruby,
> then lower case ''and'' could be used interchangeably?   Is
> consistency really required here?  I''m thinking I would like other
> people writing stories for me in the future, and this seems like it  
> would just be another PITA thing to fix after receiving stories from  
> them..  And at the moment if not fixed, they''ll just be silently  
> ignored (v1.1.3) - which seems baaad.
Agreed that silent ignorance (tm) is bad but before we address this  
there are a few other issues that we need to adress first. Formal  
means of identifying commentary and multiline text to name two.

Please feel free to put a ticket in at http://rspec.lighthouseapp.com  
if you want to ensure this stays ok the radar.

Cheers,
David
>
>
> Tim.
>
> On 01/04/2008, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Chuck Remes  
> <cremes.devlist at mac.com> wrote:
> >  On Mar 31, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Tim Haines wrote:
> >  > Hi Guys,
> >  >
> >  > Just writing out a plain English story and was surprised to see
> one
> >  > of my steps wasn''t listed as pending.  It turned out it
was
> because
> >  > I had started the line with and instead of And.  Is there any  
> reason
> >  > why and shouldn''t be an alias for And?
> >
>
> >  I would get it is because ''and'' (lower case) is a
reserved word in
> >  Ruby. Note that all of these commands are uppercase. I don''t
think
> >  they can alias ''and'' without potentially breaking
lots of valid
> ruby
> >  code (not everyone uses ''&&'' for
''and'' exclusively).
>
>
> Additionally, ''when'' and ''then'' are
Ruby keywords. This is the reason
> that all the methods are uppercase in Ruby, and they are the same in
> plain text for consistency.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> rspec-users at rubyforge.org
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