Hi Rails Community, I am about to commit to a text editor for both Ruby and RoR development. What are your opinions about investing time into Textmate vs. MacVim? I''ve already purchased Textmate and download MacVim. Looking for pros, cons, etc. Does anyone use both or once you stick with an editor, you stay with that editor. Thanks, Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Tony Barone wrote:> Hi Rails Community, > > I am about to commit to a text editor for both Ruby and RoR > development. What are your opinions about investing time into > Textmate vs. MacVim? I''ve already purchased Textmate and download > MacVim. Looking for pros, cons, etc. Does anyone use both or once > you stick with an editor, you stay with that editor.I use neither. I hate vi and its descendants, and I''m not about to pay lots of money for TextMate. I recommend KomodoEdit. There''s a lot of discussion about editors in the list archives. Try a quick search.> > Thanks, > TonyBest, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On 9/8/10, Tony Barone <barone42-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Hi Rails Community, > > I am about to commit to a text editor for both Ruby and RoR > development. What are your opinions about investing time into > Textmate vs. MacVim? I''ve already purchased Textmate and download > MacVim. Looking for pros, cons, etc. Does anyone use both or once > you stick with an editor, you stay with that editor. >Hi Tony, I work with Vim on Linux and I must say that I love it. I don''t really need to try any other editor. My advice is for you to try both and see which one fits your taste best. You will find some people suggesting Emacs, others Vim and a few others Textmate. But, in the end, it is a matter of taste. Vim (or MacVim) has quite a steap learning curve, but once you get used to it, it is very rewarding. At least for me. Try both and then make a choice. You should use the one that makes you more productive. All the best, Fidel.> Thanks, > Tony > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
>> Hi Rails Community, >> >> I am about to commit to a text editor for both Ruby and RoR >> development. What are your opinions about investing time into >> Textmate vs. MacVim? I''ve already purchased Textmate and download >> MacVim. Looking for pros, cons, etc. Does anyone use both or once >> you stick with an editor, you stay with that editor. >> > > Hi Tony, > > I work with Vim on Linux and I must say that I love it. I don''t really > need to try any other editor.Agreed. And the nice thing about vim is all you really need is an ssh connection to use it. Nothing else really matters.> Try both and then make a choice. You should use the one that makes you > more productive.Be sure to try the rails.vim plugin or at least read about it as it has some niceties for doing rails/ruby work in vim. -philip -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
i must be missing something because everyone seems to love vim but to me is just archaic. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Philip Hallstrom <philip-LSG90OXdqQE@public.gmane.org> wrote:> >> Hi Rails Community, > >> > >> I am about to commit to a text editor for both Ruby and RoR > >> development. What are your opinions about investing time into > >> Textmate vs. MacVim? I''ve already purchased Textmate and download > >> MacVim. Looking for pros, cons, etc. Does anyone use both or once > >> you stick with an editor, you stay with that editor. > >> > > > > Hi Tony, > > > > I work with Vim on Linux and I must say that I love it. I don''t really > > need to try any other editor. > > Agreed. And the nice thing about vim is all you really need is an ssh > connection to use it. Nothing else really matters. > > > Try both and then make a choice. You should use the one that makes you > > more productive. > > Be sure to try the rails.vim plugin or at least read about it as it has > some niceties for doing rails/ruby work in vim. > > -philip > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On 8 sep, 22:38, radhames brito <rbri...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> i must be missing somethingYep. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
radhames brito wrote:> i must be missing something because everyone seems to love vim but to me > is > just archaic.I agree with you. The modal interface should have died in the 1970s. If I want a console editor, I use Emacs. Best, -- Marnen Laibow-koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
emacs +1, sweet editor, use the starter-kit and you are done. It''s nice to know VI, since it is more readily available (quick edits, server admin) but as an IDE, emacs is way ahead. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <lists-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote:> radhames brito wrote: >> i must be missing something because everyone seems to love vim but to me >> is >> just archaic. > > I agree with you. The modal interface should have died in the 1970s. > If I want a console editor, I use Emacs. > > Best, > -- > Marnen Laibow-koser > http://www.marnen.org > marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On 9/9/10, Marnen Laibow-Koser <lists-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote:> radhames brito wrote: >> i must be missing something because everyone seems to love vim but to me >> is >> just archaic. > > I agree with you. The modal interface should have died in the 1970s. > If I want a console editor, I use Emacs. >The thing about Vim or Emacs, is that they are not ordinary editors. They are modal editors. You can''t really compare them with ordinary text editors. Vim isn''t only available for the console. You can also find the GUI version, which is called gVim in the Linux world. Perhaps this is what MacVim is. You can always use the mouse and the menus, but you miss all the power of Vim. It is pretty hard to get use to it in the beginning, but once you get used to it, you will find that you can do things with it that you cannot replicate in other editors. The whole productivity enhancement is in the fact that you do not leave the keyboard, which is something that sort of delays your productivity a bit. At least that is for me. In the beginning I kept switching from Vim and gEdit, because it was pretty hard to navigate through the files. But they I discovered plugins like Rails.vim, NERDTree, and I stopped using all the other editors for good. The other nice thing about Vim is that it comes with any Unix based operating system. So, if you know how to use it you can start editing configuration files with it in any Unix based OS. But, it is just like I said: It is a matter of personal taste. I have heard that Emacs is more powerful than Vim, but for me Vim is enough. I am happy with it as I am already used to its modes, and commands. I think that people should try the different editors and decide for themselves about which one they feel more comfortable with. In the end it is all about productivity. If Komodo Edit makes you more productive that Vim or Emacs, then that''s all you need. All the best, Fidel. PS: "Vim is like wine, the older it gets the more tasty it becomes" ;D -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
the problem with vim is that people always say is so powerful but when i try to use it is like im looking at the sky waiting to see a UFO to pass by but nothing happens On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Fidel Viegas <fidel.viegas-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On 9/9/10, Marnen Laibow-Koser <lists-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > radhames brito wrote: > >> i must be missing something because everyone seems to love vim but to me > >> is > >> just archaic. > > > > I agree with you. The modal interface should have died in the 1970s. > > If I want a console editor, I use Emacs. > > > > The thing about Vim or Emacs, is that they are not ordinary editors. > They are modal editors. You can''t really compare them with ordinary > text editors. Vim isn''t only available for the console. You can also > find the GUI version, which is called gVim in the Linux world. Perhaps > this is what MacVim is. > > You can always use the mouse and the menus, but you miss all the power > of Vim. It is pretty hard to get use to it in the beginning, but once > you get used to it, you will find that you can do things with it that > you cannot replicate in other editors. The whole productivity > enhancement is in the fact that you do not leave the keyboard, which > is something that sort of delays your productivity a bit. At least > that is for me. In the beginning I kept switching from Vim and gEdit, > because it was pretty hard to navigate through the files. But they I > discovered plugins like Rails.vim, NERDTree, and I stopped using all > the other editors for good. The other nice thing about Vim is that it > comes with any Unix based operating system. So, if you know how to use > it you can start editing configuration files with it in any Unix based > OS. But, it is just like I said: It is a matter of personal taste. > > I have heard that Emacs is more powerful than Vim, but for me Vim is > enough. I am happy with it as I am already used to its modes, and > commands. > > I think that people should try the different editors and decide for > themselves about which one they feel more comfortable with. In the end > it is all about productivity. If Komodo Edit makes you more productive > that Vim or Emacs, then that''s all you need. > > All the best, > > Fidel. > > PS: "Vim is like wine, the older it gets the more tasty it becomes" ;D > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Fidel Viegas wrote:> On 9/9/10, Marnen Laibow-Koser <lists-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> radhames brito wrote: >>> i must be missing something because everyone seems to love vim but to me >>> is >>> just archaic. >> >> I agree with you. The modal interface should have died in the 1970s. >> If I want a console editor, I use Emacs. >> > > The thing about Vim or Emacs, is that they are not ordinary editors. > They are modal editors.Emacs isn''t a modal editor in the sense that Vi is (with separate insert and edit modes). That''s one reason I like it better than Vi.> You can''t really compare them with ordinary > text editors.Sure you can. They''re heavily programmable, but they''re still just text editors. (Yes, I know you can check your e-mail and play Tetris in Emacs. That doesn''t really change my point.) [...]> It is pretty hard to get use to it in the beginning, but once > you get used to it, you will find that you can do things with it that > you cannot replicate in other editors.Example? I agree in principle -- I *am* an Emacs fan -- but I find that this doesn''t make much difference for me in practice.> The whole productivity > enhancement is in the fact that you do not leave the keyboard, which > is something that sort of delays your productivity a bit. At least > that is for me.I hear this argument a lot. To some extent (a great extent) I agree with it. But in fact there are tasks for which the mouse makes you *more* productive. There are times when I''d rather click around than use cursor keys. [...]> The other nice thing about Vim is that it > comes with any Unix based operating system. So, if you know how to use > it you can start editing configuration files with it in any Unix based > OS.I know how to use Vi. I still hate it. [...]> I have heard that Emacs is more powerful than Vim, but for me Vim is > enough. I am happy with it as I am already used to its modes, and > commands.For me, it''s not that Emacs is more powerful; rather, it''s easier to use. Emacs modes are like language modules in other editors, not like Vi''s insert and edit mode. The latter have no place in 21st-century software IMHO. :) [...]> PS: "Vim is like wine, the older it gets the more tasty it becomes" ;DWhy? Because nostalgia is the only thing it has going for it? :D Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:21 AM, radhames brito wrote:> the problem with vim is that people always say is so powerful but when i try to use it is like im looking at the sky waiting to see a UFO to pass by but nothing happensThere is a steep learning curve... as this comparison chart clearly shows :-) http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/curves.jpg -philip -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
OMG LOL On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Philip Hallstrom <philip-LSG90OXdqQE@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:21 AM, radhames brito wrote: > > > the problem with vim is that people always say is so powerful but when i > try to use it is like im looking at the sky waiting to see a UFO to pass by > but nothing happens > > There is a steep learning curve... as this comparison chart clearly shows > :-) > > > http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/curves.jpg > > -philip > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Fidel Viegas <fidel.viegas-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> The thing about Vim or Emacs, is that they are not ordinary editors. > They are modal editors.Emacs isn''t modal. -- Greg Donald destiney.com | gregdonald.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
I have been a vi/vim user for 15 years, and am a huge fan. However, even after adding snippet support, using rails.vim, and using the directory pane, editing Rails applications is tedious compared to using Textmate. Essentially, the directory pop-out makes file manipulation too easy to not use. So I generally use Textmate for the bulk of my work, but will use Vim if doing something via the command line or for a quick change. -- Jeremy Chase http://twitter.com/jeremychase On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Greg Donald <gdonald-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Fidel Viegas <fidel.viegas-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > wrote: > > The thing about Vim or Emacs, is that they are not ordinary editors. > > They are modal editors. > > Emacs isn''t modal. > > > -- > Greg Donald > destiney.com | gregdonald.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
using any type of folder navigation is way too slow for me. i personally love PeepOpen for navigating, but there are other plugins to do the same thing. if i want to edit user controller i just do "COMMAND+T" "uco" <Enter> and i''m editing it a second later. macvim can be prettier and much more powerful than textmate, and you get the advantage of learning vim and being able to leverage its power on any server you''re on. Len Smith http://iggy.nu http://twitter.com/ignu On 9 September 2010 12:56, Jeremy Chase <jeremychase-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I have been a vi/vim user for 15 years, and am a huge fan. However, even > after adding snippet support, using rails.vim, and using the directory > pane, editing Rails applications is tedious compared to using Textmate. > Essentially, the directory pop-out makes file manipulation too easy to not > use. > > So I generally use Textmate for the bulk of my work, but will use Vim if > doing something via the command line or for a quick change. > > -- > Jeremy Chase > http://twitter.com/jeremychase > > > > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Greg Donald <gdonald-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Fidel Viegas <fidel.viegas-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> >> wrote: >> > The thing about Vim or Emacs, is that they are not ordinary editors. >> > They are modal editors. >> >> Emacs isn''t modal. >> >> >> -- >> Greg Donald >> destiney.com | gregdonald.com >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
i use netbeans but i think there is a huge overhead and i olso have to add the nbproject folder to my .gitignore file On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Len Smith <ignu.smith-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> using any type of folder navigation is way too slow for me. i personally > love PeepOpen for navigating, but there are other plugins to do the same > thing. if i want to edit user controller i just do "COMMAND+T" "uco" > <Enter> and i''m editing it a second later. > > macvim can be prettier and much more powerful than textmate, and you get > the advantage of learning vim and being able to leverage its power on any > server you''re on. > > Len Smith > http://iggy.nu > http://twitter.com/ignu > > On 9 September 2010 12:56, Jeremy Chase <jeremychase-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> I have been a vi/vim user for 15 years, and am a huge fan. However, even >> after adding snippet support, using rails.vim, and using the directory >> pane, editing Rails applications is tedious compared to using Textmate. >> Essentially, the directory pop-out makes file manipulation too easy to not >> use. >> >> So I generally use Textmate for the bulk of my work, but will use Vim if >> doing something via the command line or for a quick change. >> >> -- >> Jeremy Chase >> http://twitter.com/jeremychase >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Greg Donald <gdonald-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Fidel Viegas <fidel.viegas-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> >>> wrote: >>> > The thing about Vim or Emacs, is that they are not ordinary editors. >>> > They are modal editors. >>> >>> Emacs isn''t modal. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Greg Donald >>> destiney.com | gregdonald.com >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org<rubyonrails-talk%2Bunsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. >-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On 9 September 2010 20:08, radhames brito <rbritom-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> i use netbeans but i think there is a huge overhead and i olso have to add > the nbproject folder to my .gitignore fileThat''s not exactly a big problem is it? But you can set the Netbeans folder to be at any location you like - it doesn''t have to be in the folder of the project. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
radhames brito wrote:> i use netbeans but i think there is a huge overheadAgreed. That''s why I use KomodoEdit for Rails work. NetBeans is great where an IDE is wanted -- which it isn''t for Rails development.> and i olso have to > add > the nbproject folder to my .gitignore fileTrue. So what? Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <lists-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote:> NetBeans is great > where an IDE is wanted -- which it isn''t for Rails development.Learn the API, then you won''t need an IDE. -- Greg Donald destiney.com | gregdonald.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
Greg Donald wrote:> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser > <lists-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> NetBeans is great >> where an IDE is wanted -- which it isn''t for Rails development. > > Learn the API, then you won''t need an IDE. >I don''t really agree there: for environments where I *do* benefit from IDEs (i.e. not Rails), code completion is not the major benefit. Automating repetitive tasks (such as complex builds), switching between related files, and Swing/Cocoa GUI construction are among the major advantages of IDEs for me. (Then again, that may be because I *do* learn the API in question...)> > -- > Greg Donald > destiney.com | gregdonald.comBest, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org marnen-sbuyVjPbboAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser <lists-fsXkhYbjdPsEEoCn2XhGlw@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I don''t really agree there: for environments where I *do* benefit from > IDEs (i.e. not Rails), code completion is not the major benefit. > Automating repetitive tasks (such as complex builds), switching between > related files,C-x <arrow> to move to the next or previous buffer in Emacs. No IDE required, just a keyboard.> and Swing/Cocoa GUI construction are among the major > advantages of IDEs for me. > > (Then again, that may be because I *do* learn the API in question...)It''s been my experience programmers *cough* who require an IDE are usually the most useless people to have on the team. I''d take an Emacs loving, API-knowing coder over a "I need Netbeans ''cause I need code completion" wanna-be coder any day of the week. -- Greg Donald destiney.com | gregdonald.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On 9 September 2010 21:09, Greg Donald <gdonald-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> It''s been my experience programmers *cough* who require an IDE are > usually the most useless people to have on the team. > > I''d take an Emacs loving, API-knowing coder over a "I need Netbeans > ''cause I need code completion" wanna-be coder any day of the week.Because that''s what Ruby, Rails and OSS is about: elitism. No one in this thread mentioned anything about "i needz kode compleeshun" - you''re jumping into prejudicial, and pejorative rants. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Michael Pavling <pavling-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Because that''s what Ruby, Rails and OSS is about: elitism. > > No one in this thread mentioned anything about "i needz kode > compleeshun" - you''re jumping into prejudicial, and pejorative rants.Keeping system resource usage low isn''t elitism, it''s just being a good computer scientist. I''d rather use Emacs or Vim than waste half my machine''s memory on some bloated IDE, all because of laziness not wanting to learn the API. Either you''re a programmer who knows the API you''re working with, or you''re punching a time clock. -- Greg Donald destiney.com | gregdonald.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On 9 September 2010 21:28, Greg Donald <gdonald-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Michael Pavling <pavling-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> Because that''s what Ruby, Rails and OSS is about: elitism. >> >> No one in this thread mentioned anything about "i needz kode >> compleeshun" - you''re jumping into prejudicial, and pejorative rants. > > Keeping system resource usage low isn''t elitism, it''s just being a > good computer scientist. > > I''d rather use Emacs or Vim than waste half my machine''s memory on > some bloated IDE, all because of laziness not wanting to learn the > API. Either you''re a programmer who knows the API you''re working > with, or you''re punching a time clock.I don''t know what you are getting so excited about, no-one here will disagree with you on needing to know the API inside out. That has nothing to do with what sort of development environment each individual is happiest using, which is purely a matter of personal preference. I like jEdit, Marnen likes Komodo Edit, others like the Netbeans environment, you like Emacs and Vim. So be it. Colin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Len Smith <ignu.smith-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > macvim can be prettier and much more powerful than textmate, and you get the > advantage of learning vim and being able to leverage its power on any server > you''re on.I''ve been working diligently to ''really try'' to use MacVim for my Rails stuff. For those using vim for Rails, I assume you are using some flavor of FuzzyFinder... how do you get the results to look nice? For example, if I want to look at new.haml.html files in multiple directories but I just want to see the available ones by typing “new” here is how it looks in fuzzyfinder: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/86998/vim-fuzzy.png and here is how much nicer it looks in TextMate – notice the simple single name ‘type’ it belongs to after the file name? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/86998/textmate.png That''s the big problem I''m having with MacVim for Rails.. it just ends up not polished enough. For example I''m using the following plugins: rails plugin, NerdTree, FuzzyFinderTextMate, BufferWipe, and bufmru, and things are just awkward sometimes. For example if I''m in the NerdTree pane and I then opt to use FuzzyFinder to find a file, the file will end up opening in the nerdtree window - not good. You have to remember to switch back to your main window first before using fuzzyfinder. I might just stick to IDEA (ruby plugin - same thing as RubyMine). I get excellent vim navigation plus a few other niceties (refactoring, little hints you might have made a typo on a method call, etc), and since I''m apparently not as low on RAM as some of you guys, I''m not afraid to have it open:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
> That''s the big problem I''m having with MacVim for Rails.. it just ends > up not polished enough. For example I''m using the following plugins: > rails plugin, NerdTree, FuzzyFinderTextMate, BufferWipe, and bufmru, > and things are just awkward sometimes. For example if I''m in the > NerdTree pane and I then opt to use FuzzyFinder to find a file, the > file will end up opening in the nerdtree window - not good. You have > to remember to switch back to your main window first before using > fuzzyfinder.Try Command-T: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=3025 Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Rimantas Liubertas <rimantas-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>wrote:> > Try Command-T: > http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=3025 >Much better thanks! (Once I figured out it had to be compiled against ruby 1.8.7 :) -- Rick R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.