I''m looking into getting a Mac laptop. I''m trying to decide which is best. It would be cool to have one that''s small and light and has good battery life, so therefore I''m looking at the smallest ones -- the MacBooks. On the other hand, I need more than just a tiny screen for day to day work, so I would hook it up to a 24" monitor most of the time. According to the specs on Apple''s website: "Extended desktop and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 1920 by 1200 pixels on an external display, both at millions of colors" OK, sure, that''s what it says. But we all know how that goes. Has anyone actually tried it? Does it work smoothly enough for everyday use, or is it secretly a pain in the ass, like it "works" but the video is hazy or the monitor explodes sometimes? Perhaps the low-end MacBook is not really suitable to be used every day, day in and day out. Maybe I need to get into a MacBook Pro? (I had a 1440 by 900 XP laptop a while ago and it was sort of OK but even with that I would want to hook it up to a larger monitor most of the time.) I guess I''m looking for advice from anyone who has been down this road before. Any insight or advice on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Eeby -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I am using a new MacBook Pro now. I too wanted something light and small, but decided on the 15" Pro mainly because the memory maxes out at 4G instead of 2G and in my experience, nothing extends the usable life of a machine more than memory upgrades. All said, both are nice, but the features on the Pro sold me, not to mention it is still very light and easily portable, I carry it every day. Battery life ranges between 4.5 and 5.5 hours depending on running apps, wireless, etc. Jarrod Menoube wrote:> I''m looking into getting a Mac laptop. I''m trying to decide which is > best. It would be cool to have one that''s small and light and has good > battery life, so therefore I''m looking at the smallest ones -- the > MacBooks. On the other hand, I need more than just a tiny screen for day > to day work, so I would hook it up to a 24" monitor most of the time. > > According to the specs on Apple''s website: > > "Extended desktop and video mirroring: > > Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display > and up to 1920 by 1200 pixels on an external display, both at millions > of colors" > > OK, sure, that''s what it says. But we all know how that goes. Has anyone > actually tried it? Does it work smoothly enough for everyday use, or is > it secretly a pain in the ass, like it "works" but the video is hazy or > the monitor explodes sometimes? > > Perhaps the low-end MacBook is not really suitable to be used every day, > day in and day out. Maybe I need to get into a MacBook Pro? (I had a > 1440 by 900 XP laptop a while ago and it was sort of OK but even with > that I would want to hook it up to a larger monitor most of the time.) > > I guess I''m looking for advice from anyone who has been down this road > before. Any insight or advice on this would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Eeby >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 2 Oct 2007, at 01:26, Jarrod Menoube wrote:> > Perhaps the low-end MacBook is not really suitable to be used every > day, > day in and day out. Maybe I need to get into a MacBook Pro? (I had a > 1440 by 900 XP laptop a while ago and it was sort of OK but even with > that I would want to hook it up to a larger monitor most of the time.)I''ve got the low end (and the low end from over a year ago) macbook and it works just fine. DVI gets you a rock solid picture on the external screen. Fred --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:32:22 -0700, William Pratt wrote:> I am using a new MacBook Pro now. I too wanted something light and > small, but decided on the 15" Pro mainly because the memory maxes out at > 4G instead of 2G and in my experience, nothing extends the usable life > of a machine more than memory upgradesAmen. A lot depends on what your toolset looks like, of course - TextMate uses a lot less memory than Eclipse. But I''m developing on last year''s 2GB MacBook Pro, and once I start running Parallels to test something in IE6, forget it - I''m forever in VM swap hell. -- Jay Levitt | Boston, MA | My character doesn''t like it when they Faster: jay at jay dot fm | cry or shout or hit. http://www.jay.fm | - Kristoffer --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Jay Levitt wrote:> uses a lot less memory than Eclipse. But I''m developing on last year''s 2GB > MacBook Pro, and once I start running Parallels to test something in IE6, > forget it - I''m forever in VM swap hell. > > Amen. A lot depends on what your toolset looks like, of course - TextMateWow. I would have thought 2GB would be fine to run a Vm as well as base OS. I have never used OSX but does it use up that much ram? Can you tweak how it uses swap? I have 2GB of ram and can happily run NetBeans IDE and 2x Windows VM''s with Virtual Box (one with IE6,the other IE7) and have no swapping? I run Ubuntu with default configuration. How much ram are you allocating to your VM? XP just running IE for testing should be happy with 256MB or less. Perhaps try something other than parallels? Virtual Box is available for OSX and it''s free. Writing and testing Ruby on Rails apps doesn''t take a powerhouse of a machine. 2GB should be plenty. I would have thought OSX would have been more like linux rather than Vista for memory consumption. Cheers, Anthony Richardson --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Currently I only have 2G''s in my MB Pro and I run Vmware''s Fusion for Mac w/ a win xp and a linux vm. I only give each 256M ram since they are simply for testing and I don''t have any issues. My statement about ram was meant more to suggest that the usable life of the machine is greatly extended if at a later date, and most certainly a later more hungry os, you can upgrade rather than buying an entire new machine. I also like the keyboard on the MB Pro better. It''s larger and for me, easier to type on. Plus, the back-lit keys with the ambient light sensor is fantastic to low light conditions. The MB Pro''s construction seems to be much more solid and designed for the rigors of daily professional use. Anyway, hope this helps out a bit. -Bill Anthony Richardson wrote:> Jay Levitt wrote: > >> uses a lot less memory than Eclipse. But I''m developing on last year''s 2GB >> MacBook Pro, and once I start running Parallels to test something in IE6, >> forget it - I''m forever in VM swap hell. >> >> Amen. A lot depends on what your toolset looks like, of course - TextMate >> > Wow. I would have thought 2GB would be fine to run a Vm as well as base > OS. I have never used OSX but does it use up that much ram? Can you > tweak how it uses swap? > > I have 2GB of ram and can happily run NetBeans IDE and 2x Windows VM''s > with Virtual Box (one with IE6,the other IE7) and have no swapping? I > run Ubuntu with default configuration. How much ram are you allocating > to your VM? XP just running IE for testing should be happy with 256MB or > less. Perhaps try something other than parallels? Virtual Box is > available for OSX and it''s free. > > Writing and testing Ruby on Rails apps doesn''t take a powerhouse of a > machine. 2GB should be plenty. I would have thought OSX would have been > more like linux rather than Vista for memory consumption. > > Cheers, > > Anthony Richardson > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Oct 1, 5:26 pm, Jarrod Menoube <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I''m looking into getting a Mac laptop. I''m trying to decide which is > best. It would be cool to have one that''s small and light and has good > battery life, so therefore I''m looking at the smallest ones -- the > MacBooks. On the other hand, I need more than just a tiny screen for day > to day work, so I would hook it up to a 24" monitor most of the time. > > According to the specs on Apple''s website: > > "Extended desktop and video mirroring: > > Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display > and up to 1920 by 1200 pixels on an external display, both at millions > of colors" > > OK, sure, that''s what it says. But we all know how that goes. Has anyone > actually tried it? Does it work smoothly enough for everyday use, or is > it secretly a pain in the ass, like it "works" but the video is hazy or > the monitor explodes sometimes? > > Perhaps the low-end MacBook is not really suitable to be used every day, > day in and day out. Maybe I need to get into a MacBook Pro? (I had a > 1440 by 900 XP laptop a while ago and it was sort of OK but even with > that I would want to hook it up to a larger monitor most of the time.) > > I guess I''m looking for advice from anyone who has been down this road > before. Any insight or advice on this would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Eeby > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.I''ve been waiting to replace my G4 powerBook for a while. I''m thinking I''d see how people''s experiences with Leopard is, and if they fix the App Switcher problem with external monitors. I''ve never had App switcher freeze, but I don''t use it much. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I completely agree. I bought the matte version as well. The glossy has way too much glare for me. Philip Hallstrom wrote:>> I''m looking into getting a Mac laptop. I''m trying to decide which is >> best. It would be cool to have one that''s small and light and has good >> battery life, so therefore I''m looking at the smallest ones -- the >> MacBooks. On the other hand, I need more than just a tiny screen for day >> to day work, so I would hook it up to a 24" monitor most of the time. >> > > I am probably about to start a religious war, but I would highly advise > you go look at the current line of macbooks and decide if you like the > glossy screen. They don''t come in a matte version anymore. > > Even taking into consideration the extra glare you get in the apple store > I don''t think I could use one of them (or the new imacs) for more than a > couple of minutes. > > The pictures I''ve seen online (google for them) seem to me to be pretty > accurate in terms of how much glare there is. > > That alone would push me into at least the macbook pro unless I knew I was > going to use the external monitor 99% of the time. > > I sure hope Apple reverses the decision to drop the matte screens on the > macbook/imac. > > -philip > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi Phillip, I would like to make a correction to your previous post. First, the Mac Book Pro can be purchased with a matte or glossy screen. Also, the Mac Books come in either matte or glossy as well. Good luck, -Conrad ps: I purchased the glossy and I love it. On 10/1/07, Philip Hallstrom <rails-SUcgGwS4C16SUMMaM/qcSw@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > > I''m looking into getting a Mac laptop. I''m trying to decide which is > > best. It would be cool to have one that''s small and light and has good > > battery life, so therefore I''m looking at the smallest ones -- the > > MacBooks. On the other hand, I need more than just a tiny screen for day > > to day work, so I would hook it up to a 24" monitor most of the time. > > I am probably about to start a religious war, but I would highly advise > you go look at the current line of macbooks and decide if you like the > glossy screen. They don''t come in a matte version anymore. > > Even taking into consideration the extra glare you get in the apple store > I don''t think I could use one of them (or the new imacs) for more than a > couple of minutes. > > The pictures I''ve seen online (google for them) seem to me to be pretty > accurate in terms of how much glare there is. > > That alone would push me into at least the macbook pro unless I knew I was > going to use the external monitor 99% of the time. > > I sure hope Apple reverses the decision to drop the matte screens on the > macbook/imac. > > -philip > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
The pro''s definitely do, but the new Macbooks are only available in the glossy screen. Conrad Taylor wrote:> Hi Phillip, I would like to make a correction to your previous post. > First, the Mac Book Pro can be purchased with a matte or glossy > screen. Also, the Mac Books come in either matte or glossy as well. > > Good luck, > > -Conrad > > ps: I purchased the glossy and I love it. > > On 10/1/07, *Philip Hallstrom* <rails-SUcgGwS4C16SUMMaM/qcSw@public.gmane.org > <mailto:rails-SUcgGwS4C16SUMMaM/qcSw@public.gmane.org>> wrote: > > > > I''m looking into getting a Mac laptop. I''m trying to decide which is > > best. It would be cool to have one that''s small and light and > has good > > battery life, so therefore I''m looking at the smallest ones -- the > > MacBooks. On the other hand, I need more than just a tiny screen > for day > > to day work, so I would hook it up to a 24" monitor most of the > time. > > I am probably about to start a religious war, but I would highly > advise > you go look at the current line of macbooks and decide if you like the > glossy screen. They don''t come in a matte version anymore. > > Even taking into consideration the extra glare you get in the > apple store > I don''t think I could use one of them (or the new imacs) for more > than a > couple of minutes. > > The pictures I''ve seen online (google for them) seem to me to be > pretty > accurate in terms of how much glare there is. > > That alone would push me into at least the macbook pro unless I > knew I was > going to use the external monitor 99% of the time. > > I sure hope Apple reverses the decision to drop the matte screens > on the > macbook/imac. > > -philip > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi William, you''re correct because I just called my friend that works at the Apple Store and the Mac Books are glossy only whereas the Mac Book Pros are glossy and matte. -Peace, -Conrad On 10/1/07, William Pratt <billp-YbheRAKfYF4eIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > The pro''s definitely do, but the new Macbooks are only available in the > glossy screen. > > Conrad Taylor wrote: > > Hi Phillip, I would like to make a correction to your previous post. > First, the Mac Book Pro can be purchased with a matte or glossy screen. > Also, the Mac Books come in either matte or glossy as well. > Good luck, > > -Conrad > > ps: I purchased the glossy and I love it. > > On 10/1/07, Philip Hallstrom <rails-SUcgGwS4C16SUMMaM/qcSw@public.gmane.org > wrote: > > > > > > > I''m looking into getting a Mac laptop. I''m trying to decide which is > > > best. It would be cool to have one that''s small and light and has good > > > battery life, so therefore I''m looking at the smallest ones -- the > > > MacBooks. On the other hand, I need more than just a tiny screen for > > day > > > to day work, so I would hook it up to a 24" monitor most of the time. > > > > I am probably about to start a religious war, but I would highly advise > > you go look at the current line of macbooks and decide if you like the > > glossy screen. They don''t come in a matte version anymore. > > > > Even taking into consideration the extra glare you get in the apple > > store > > I don''t think I could use one of them (or the new imacs) for more than a > > couple of minutes. > > > > The pictures I''ve seen online (google for them) seem to me to be pretty > > accurate in terms of how much glare there is. > > > > That alone would push me into at least the macbook pro unless I knew I > > was > > going to use the external monitor 99% of the time. > > > > I sure hope Apple reverses the decision to drop the matte screens on the > > macbook/imac. > > > > -philip > > > > > > > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Jay Levitt
2007-Oct-02 03:53 UTC
OT: Mac RAM usage (was Re: Mac buying advice -- which model? (was: Mac buying advice -- which model?))
On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:29:55 +0930, Anthony Richardson wrote:> Wow. I would have thought 2GB would be fine to run a Vm as well as base > OS. I have never used OSX but does it use up that much ram? Can you > tweak how it uses swap?I''m not sure how tweakable it is, or if I''m doing something weird - I''ve spent most of my life on PCs. Another developer I work with has the same config and no memory issues, but he also uses TextMate (I use Eclipse) and he rarely uses Parallels. So I assumed it was either the JVM or Parallels that was doing it. I probably have way too much memory allocated to XP, though - at one point I was using Adobe CS2 there and I probably did leave the memory set way too high. I''m on my PC at the moment but I''ll have to dig into it; I''d just figured that was The Way It Was. I do remember that one time I looked, the JVM had over 1GB of virtual memory reserved, so did Parallels, and Firefox had some 750MB as well.. it wasn''t pretty.> I have 2GB of ram and can happily run NetBeans IDE and 2x Windows VM''s > with Virtual Box (one with IE6,the other IE7) and have no swapping? I > run Ubuntu with default configuration. How much ram are you allocating > to your VM? XP just running IE for testing should be happy with 256MB or > less. Perhaps try something other than parallels? Virtual Box is > available for OSX and it''s free.Free''s nice, but Coherence is nicer! I have been meaning to demo Fusion, though.> Writing and testing Ruby on Rails apps doesn''t take a powerhouse of a > machine. 2GB should be plenty.Oops. So what should I do with the new 4GB model I bought to replace it? :) -- Jay Levitt | Boston, MA | My character doesn''t like it when they Faster: jay at jay dot fm | cry or shout or hit. http://www.jay.fm | - Kristoffer --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:38:12 -0700, Conrad Taylor wrote:> Hi William, you''re correct because I just called my friend that works at the > Apple Store and the Mac Books are glossy only whereas the Mac Book Pros are > glossy and matte.And in fact the stores don''t even carry the hi-res MBP in glossy; that''s an online-only order. I actually spent about 15 minutes trying to compare the two screens, but my Apple store has them on separate tables - that''s helpful. In the end, I decided I liked the glossy more, glare be damned; text was so much more readable on it, and there is at least some type of anti-glare coating on it. If I end up hating it, I guess I''ll switch back next time around. -- Jay Levitt | Boston, MA | My character doesn''t like it when they Faster: jay at jay dot fm | cry or shout or hit. http://www.jay.fm | - Kristoffer --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hey everyone thanks for the responses. That''s really helpful. Eeby -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I use a MacBook (13 inch screen) with 2GB RAM and glossy screen. It works just fine for me. I use it outside, I use it inside. I use it on the desk, I use it on couch! The glossy screen is fine, despite those who grouch. I used to have a PowerBook G4 with 2GB RAM and matte screen. I couldn''t use it outdoors, because sunlight would illuminate the non- glare coating and obstruct my vision. The glossy screen on the MacBook means that I only get glare from one direction - behind me. Non-glare coatings made sense back in the days of curved-surface CRTs. In the modern age of ultra-flat screens, the coating gets in my way more than it helps. That''s my own experience. I don''t use an external monitor - at my desk I plug the MacBook into power and use Teleport to control it using the iMac. Files "live" on the MacBook, the Rails web server runs on the MacBook, I just use the iMac for editing (it has the larger screen). I got lucky and picked up an old-model iMac Core 2 Duo and MacBook Core 2 Duo for less than the price of a new MacBook Pro. YMMV HTH Alex --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
> I''m looking into getting a Mac laptop. I''m trying to decide which is > best. It would be cool to have one that''s small and light and has good > battery life, so therefore I''m looking at the smallest ones -- the > MacBooks. On the other hand, I need more than just a tiny screen for day > to day work, so I would hook it up to a 24" monitor most of the time.I am probably about to start a religious war, but I would highly advise you go look at the current line of macbooks and decide if you like the glossy screen. They don''t come in a matte version anymore. Even taking into consideration the extra glare you get in the apple store I don''t think I could use one of them (or the new imacs) for more than a couple of minutes. The pictures I''ve seen online (google for them) seem to me to be pretty accurate in terms of how much glare there is. That alone would push me into at least the macbook pro unless I knew I was going to use the external monitor 99% of the time. I sure hope Apple reverses the decision to drop the matte screens on the macbook/imac. -philip --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
George Bailey
2007-Oct-02 06:01 UTC
Re: OT: Mac RAM usage (was Re: Mac buying advice -- which model? (was: Mac buying advice -- which model?))
On Oct 1, 2007, at 9:53 PM, Jay Levitt wrote:> Another developer I work with has the same > config and no memory issues, but he also uses TextMate (I use > Eclipse) and > he rarely uses Parallels. So I assumed it was either the JVM or > Parallels > that was doing it.I have an older MacBook Pro with 2GB, and I have no trouble at all falling into VM swap hell even without running parallels. I tend to leave everything open, including many Safari windows and tabs, as well as Firefox, Mail, Textmate, Locomotive, MAMP, and the Interactive Brokers java-based client. It''s like falling into quicksand. Everything will be running along just fine until I reach some magic point, and then I suddenly barely have use of the computer. Closing windows and shutting things down can sometimes take several minutes of patient clicking. Closing each window in Safari generates an amazing amount of disk activity. And then when I''ve done enough it magically returns to full speed. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Alex Satrapa wrote:> I use a MacBook (13 inch screen) with 2GB RAM and glossy screen. It > works just fine for me. I use it outside, I use it inside. I use it on > the desk, I use it on couch! The glossy screen is fine, despite those > who grouch. > > I used to have a PowerBook G4 with 2GB RAM and matte screen. I > couldn''t use it outdoors, because sunlight would illuminate the non- > glare coating and obstruct my vision. The glossy screen on the MacBook > means that I only get glare from one direction - behind me.Thanks. Very interesting. I kind of like the glossy screen. I had a laptop with one a while back and it was OK. E -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
If you can wait, the MAC dude at the store said, next spring the laptops are dropping in price and coming out with some new models... but thats only if you can wait.. On Oct 1, 11:08 pm, Jarrod Menoube <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Alex Satrapa wrote: > > I use a MacBook (13 inch screen) with 2GB RAM and glossy screen. It > > works just fine for me. I use it outside, I use it inside. I use it on > > the desk, I use it on couch! The glossy screen is fine, despite those > > who grouch. > > > I used to have a PowerBook G4 with 2GB RAM and matte screen. I > > couldn''t use it outdoors, because sunlight would illuminate the non- > > glare coating and obstruct my vision. The glossy screen on the MacBook > > means that I only get glare from one direction - behind me. > > Thanks. Very interesting. I kind of like the glossy screen. I had a > laptop with one a while back and it was OK. > > E > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Anthony Richardson
2007-Oct-02 07:17 UTC
Re: OT: Mac RAM usage (was Re: Mac buying advice -- which model?
Jay Levitt wrote:> I do remember that one time I looked, the JVM had over 1GB of virtual > memory reserved, so did Parallels, and Firefox had some 750MB as well.. it > wasn''t pretty. >Wow. I have certainly experience Firefox being a hog before as well. Currently I have firefox, thunderbird, NetBeans, VirtualBox (Running Windows XP and IE7) open. Running "ps aux" command shows the following processes usin gover 4% over my machine memory. %MEM VSZ RSS COMMAND 13.8 309096 251540 /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox -comme 9.7 575896 176552 /usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.6.0_02/jre/bin/java 5.0 258312 91856 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin 4.7 159812 85776 beagled /usr/lib/beagle/BeagleDaemon. 3.2 173880 59348 /home/anthony/thunderbird/thunderbird RSS resident set size, the non-swapped physical memory that a task has used (in kiloBytes). (alias rssize, rsz). VSZ virtual memory size of the process in KiB (1024-byte units). Device mappings are currently excluded; this is subject to change. (alias vsize So Virtual box running Windows XP is only using 251MB of ram, followed by Java using 176MB.>> I have 2GB of ram and can happily run NetBeans IDE and 2x Windows VM''s >> with Virtual Box (one with IE6,the other IE7) and have no swapping? I >> run Ubuntu with default configuration. How much ram are you allocating >> to your VM? XP just running IE for testing should be happy with 256MB or >> less. Perhaps try something other than parallels? Virtual Box is >> available for OSX and it''s free. >> > > Free''s nice, but Coherence is nicer! I have been meaning to demo Fusion, > though. >You mean when your Windows applications share the native OS desktop and can be used amongst your other apps? Virtual Box does that under Ubuntu no problems, not sure if the OSX version supports that feature or not. Really handy to be able to run CSS editor on left side of screen and have IE6/7 open on the other half and tab between them. Although have a start menu available is slightly unnerving. :-)> >> Writing and testing Ruby on Rails apps doesn''t take a powerhouse of a >> machine. 2GB should be plenty. >> > > Oops. So what should I do with the new 4GB model I bought to replace it? > :) > >Hey if you have the ram enjoy it. I was just concerned about the memory consumption you were reporting, seems unusually high. Cheers, Anthony Richardson --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
bgulian-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2007-Oct-02 13:46 UTC
Re: Mac buying advice -- which model?
On Oct 1, 8:26 pm, Jarrod Menoube <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I''m looking into getting a Mac laptop. I''m trying to decide which is > best.I bought one of the new Macbook Pro 15 inch with a matte screen (online order so I got the new LCD screen). I''m running Parallels and its actually a much better Windows PC than either of my two newish Dells. I run Textmate, Dreamweaver, MS Office (Mac OS and Windows) and I also run Pro Tools Le (digital recording). Everything works great, it''s the best computer I''ve ever had (since 1985, my SE30 was pretty cool). Con: The lighting sensor and auto brightness adjust is not optimal. In very low lighting, the computer adjusts the screen to a dimness that makes me strain my eyes. It''s easy to turn it up, of course, but annoying. I''ve heard other''s complain about the screen appearing brown from the side and it''s true but who cares? It''s a laptop. The Mac Book is $1000 less. If it weren''t for my music needs I would have gone with that. Bob --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 06:52:32 -0000, joshnolan wrote:> If you can wait, the MAC dude at the store said, next spring the > laptops are dropping in price and coming out with some new models...Sure, and I hear the same thing''s gonna happen the spring after that, too.. :) -- Jay Levitt | Boston, MA | My character doesn''t like it when they Faster: jay at jay dot fm | cry or shout or hit. http://www.jay.fm | - Kristoffer --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Jay Levitt
2007-Oct-02 13:57 UTC
Re: OT: Mac RAM usage (was Re: Mac buying advice -- which model?
On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:47:27 +0930, Anthony Richardson wrote:> You mean when your Windows applications share the native OS desktop and > can be used amongst your other apps? Virtual Box does that under Ubuntu > no problems, not sure if the OSX version supports that feature or not. > Really handy to be able to run CSS editor on left side of screen and > have IE6/7 open on the other half and tab between them. Although have a > start menu available is slightly unnerving. :-)And it can do that seamlessly with multiple applications? e.g. if I have IE6 and Firefox open in the same guest VM, and Firefox open in the host, I have three total windows on my host desktop, and can alt-tab between them, cut and paste, drag and drop, use the mouse without extra "clicking", etc? I know Parallels only just got that completely working for the latest 3.0 release - before, it worked but not in Expose'' (the Beryl-like OSX thing that makes all your windows miniature copies of themselves). They finally got it so the start bar only shows up when a PC window is topmost.> Hey if you have the ram enjoy it. I was just concerned about the memory > consumption you were reporting, seems unusually high.Yeah, bears looking into at some point. -- Jay Levitt | Boston, MA | My character doesn''t like it when they Faster: jay at jay dot fm | cry or shout or hit. http://www.jay.fm | - Kristoffer --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
dblack-TKXtfPMJ4Ozk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org
2007-Oct-02 14:01 UTC
Re: Mac buying advice -- which model?
Hi -- On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, Jarrod Menoube wrote:> > I''m looking into getting a Mac laptop. I''m trying to decide which is > best. It would be cool to have one that''s small and light and has > good > battery life, so therefore I''m looking at the smallest ones -- the > MacBooks. On the other hand, I need more than just a tiny screen for > day > to day work, so I would hook it up to a 24" monitor most of the > time.The 13-inch black MacBook has been a miserable experience. It''s about six months old and is already on its third hard drive, two of them having died. Apple has been stingy and self-serving about repairs. (Long, boring story, but they have.) I am now reluctant to trust the machine at all in connection with professional work and engagements. I don''t want to get into a whole thing about how this never happens, must be my fault because Apple is perfect, etc.... Just take it as one among probably many pieces of information. David -- Upcoming training from Ruby Power and Light, LLC: * Intro to Ruby on Rails, Edison, NJ, October 23-26 * Advancing with Rails, Edison, NJ, November 6-9 Both taught by David A. Black. See http://www.rubypal.com for more info! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
William Pratt
2007-Oct-02 14:13 UTC
Re: OT: Mac RAM usage (was Re: Mac buying advice -- which model?
Vmware fusion does just that, and quite well. I have been very happy with it, and for $59 it''s hard to beat. I looked at virtual box, but too many things were still beta, like usb support. Ymmv, but I''ve been really happy so far. Jay Levitt wrote:> On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:47:27 +0930, Anthony Richardson wrote: > > >> You mean when your Windows applications share the native OS desktop and >> can be used amongst your other apps? Virtual Box does that under Ubuntu >> no problems, not sure if the OSX version supports that feature or not. >> Really handy to be able to run CSS editor on left side of screen and >> have IE6/7 open on the other half and tab between them. Although have a >> start menu available is slightly unnerving. :-) >> > > And it can do that seamlessly with multiple applications? e.g. if I have > IE6 and Firefox open in the same guest VM, and Firefox open in the host, I > have three total windows on my host desktop, and can alt-tab between them, > cut and paste, drag and drop, use the mouse without extra "clicking", etc? > > I know Parallels only just got that completely working for the latest 3.0 > release - before, it worked but not in Expose'' (the Beryl-like OSX thing > that makes all your windows miniature copies of themselves). > > They finally got it so the start bar only shows up when a PC window is > topmost. > > >> Hey if you have the ram enjoy it. I was just concerned about the memory >> consumption you were reporting, seems unusually high. >> > > Yeah, bears looking into at some point. > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
well he said the price drop and improvements will be more in line like buying a laptop from dell... so we should get more bang for our buck on the laptop side of things from Apple... On Oct 2, 6:51 am, Jay Levitt <jay+n...-WxwZQdyI2t0@public.gmane.org> wrote:> On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 06:52:32 -0000, joshnolan wrote: > > If you can wait, the MAC dude at the store said, next spring the > > laptops are dropping in price and coming out with some new models... > > Sure, and I hear the same thing''s gonna happen the spring after that, too.. > :) > > -- > Jay Levitt | > Boston, MA | My character doesn''t like it when they > Faster: jay at jay dot fm | cry or shout or hit.http://www.jay.fm | - Kristoffer--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, Anthony Richardson wrote:> Jay Levitt wrote: > > uses a lot less memory than Eclipse. But I''m developing on last year''s 2GB > > MacBook Pro, and once I start running Parallels to test something in IE6, > > forget it - I''m forever in VM swap hell.My winxp parallels vm runs fine on 256mb ram. That leaves my macbook pro with 1792mb for the OS. Seems plenty for even a fat bloated java app like Eclipse.> > Amen. A lot depends on what your toolset looks like, of course - TextMate > Wow. I would have thought 2GB would be fine to run a Vm as well as base > OS. I have never used OSX but does it use up that much ram? Can you > tweak how it uses swap?No, but after a year and half I''ve never once seen mine start swapping. -- Greg Donald Cyberfusion Consulting http://cyberfusionconsulting.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I currently have a MacBook and use it with a 24" dell monitor. I have to say.. it works really well. The only time I have seen it slow down was when I am playing a full screen divx movie on the 24" screen. Also obviously you couldn''t game on it or anything.. .but as for working on it... it is perfect and smooth. -Ray On Oct 1, 5:26 pm, Jarrod Menoube <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I''m looking into getting a Mac laptop. I''m trying to decide which is > best. It would be cool to have one that''s small and light and has good > battery life, so therefore I''m looking at the smallest ones -- the > MacBooks. On the other hand, I need more than just a tiny screen for day > to day work, so I would hook it up to a 24" monitor most of the time. > > According to the specs on Apple''s website: > > "Extended desktop and video mirroring: > > Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display > and up to 1920 by 1200 pixels on an external display, both at millions > of colors" > > OK, sure, that''s what it says. But we all know how that goes. Has anyone > actually tried it? Does it work smoothly enough for everyday use, or is > it secretly a pain in the ass, like it "works" but the video is hazy or > the monitor explodes sometimes? > > Perhaps the low-end MacBook is not really suitable to be used every day, > day in and day out. Maybe I need to get into a MacBook Pro? (I had a > 1440 by 900 XP laptop a while ago and it was sort of OK but even with > that I would want to hook it up to a larger monitor most of the time.) > > I guess I''m looking for advice from anyone who has been down this road > before. Any insight or advice on this would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Eeby > -- > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Anthony Richardson
2007-Oct-02 22:21 UTC
Re: OT: Mac RAM usage (was Re: Mac buying advice -- which model?
William Pratt wrote:> Vmware fusion does just that, and quite well. I have been very happy > with it, and for $59 it''s hard to beat. I looked at virtual box, but > too many things were still beta, like usb support. Ymmv, but I''ve been > really happy so far.I have found Virtual Box to be fantastic. I have used (and still do) VMWare for 8 years and the two are very similar. I find VmWare to have easier to configure networking (if you want anything other than NAT) but VirtualBox USB support has exceeded my experiences wih VMWares USB support. Virtual Box does not feel beta at all, I run the release version of 5.0. Cheers, Anthony Richardson --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
William Pratt
2007-Oct-02 22:24 UTC
Re: OT: Mac RAM usage (was Re: Mac buying advice -- which model?
Thats good to hear, I was just going off of what they have documented on their site. I also like the ability to run DirectX games with my geforce card on the mac. Vmware Fusion extends directX support to the mac. :) Anthony Richardson wrote:> William Pratt wrote: > >> Vmware fusion does just that, and quite well. I have been very happy >> with it, and for $59 it''s hard to beat. I looked at virtual box, but >> too many things were still beta, like usb support. Ymmv, but I''ve been >> really happy so far. >> > I have found Virtual Box to be fantastic. I have used (and still do) > VMWare for 8 years and the two are very similar. I find VmWare to have > easier to configure networking (if you want anything other than NAT) but > VirtualBox USB support has exceeded my experiences wih VMWares USB > support. Virtual Box does not feel beta at all, I run the release > version of 5.0. > > Cheers, > > Anthony Richardson > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Anthony Richardson
2007-Oct-02 22:32 UTC
Re: OT: Mac RAM usage (was Re: Mac buying advice -- which model?
Jay Levitt wrote:> On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:47:27 +0930, Anthony Richardson wrote: > > >> You mean when your Windows applications share the native OS desktop and >> can be used amongst your other apps? Virtual Box does that under Ubuntu >> no problems, not sure if the OSX version supports that feature or not. >> Really handy to be able to run CSS editor on left side of screen and >> have IE6/7 open on the other half and tab between them. Although have a >> start menu available is slightly unnerving. :-) >> > > And it can do that seamlessly with multiple applications? e.g. if I have > IE6 and Firefox open in the same guest VM, and Firefox open in the host, I > have three total windows on my host desktop, and can alt-tab between them, > cut and paste, drag and drop, use the mouse without extra "clicking", etc? >Cut and Paste doesn''t work between VM and Host. Tabbing doesn''t cycle between all windows in and out. The VM appears as one window in the tab cycle. There is no need for extra clicking. I haven''t found these limitations a problem as I only run IE in my VM''s. However, from others repsonses it doesn''t sound like Parallels is the cause of the huge memory consumption. I only suggested VirtualBox as an alternative to try incase parallels was the problem. Others seem to have no issues like you were experiencing. Cheers, Anthony Richardson --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 2 Oct 2007, at 15:49, joshnolan wrote:> On Oct 2, 6:51 am, Jay Levitt <jay+n...-WxwZQdyI2t0@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 06:52:32 -0000, joshnolan wrote: >>> If you can wait, the MAC dude at the store said, next spring the >>> laptops are dropping in price and coming out with some new models... >> >> Sure, and I hear the same thing''s gonna happen the spring after >> that, too.. >> :) > > well he said the price drop and improvements will be more in line like > buying a laptop from dell... so we should get more bang for our buck > on the laptop side of things from Apple...I''d be very surprised if an apple store employee was privy to that sort of information. Most reports (and conversations I''ve had with staff there) suggest that store employees usually only get a few more hours'' notice of such things than customers. Chances are prices will fall and there will be big upgrades. This is the technology industry after all. But I''d be very cautious about relying on reports about specs/pricing from anyone below the top few tiers at apple. James. -- James Stewart Play: http://james.anthropiccollective.org Work: http://jystewart.net/process/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Jon Druse
2007-Oct-03 16:30 UTC
Re: OT: Mac RAM usage (was Re: Mac buying advice -- which mo
Anthony Richardson wrote:> Jay Levitt wrote: > > I haven''t found these limitations a problem as I only run IE in my VM''s. > However, from others repsonses it doesn''t sound like Parallels is the > cause of the huge memory consumption. I only suggested VirtualBox as an > alternative to try incase parallels was the problem. Others seem to have > no issues like you were experiencing.i''m using a first gen MacBook Pro (2G ram). i used parallels for about 1 1/2 years, and hated it. it was slow, windows would lock up itself and os x. i tried to install vista and it was a nightmare. now i use VMware Fusion and i couldn''t be happier. i can run multiple virtual machines simultaneously (not possible in parallels) with out a problem. same thing as far as the tabbing goes, the VM shows as one single window, making it easy to switch between things. also, with the glossy vs. matte debate.... the glossy is amazing. the picture is sooooo clear and the colors are sooooo awesome. i think the only bad thing about it is that it spoils you :-) when you get back on a screen w/o it, it just seems dull. plus with the mac book pro, you can hook up a 30" screen if you want to. don''t usually need more space than that. p.s. i would buy a new iMac is a flash. Jon -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Oct 3, 2007, at 8:11 AM, James Stewart wrote:> I''d be very surprised if an apple store employee was privy to that > sort of information. Most reports (and conversations I''ve had with > staff there) suggest that store employees usually only get a few > more hours'' notice of such things than customers.Most Apple *development* employees usually only get a few more hours'' notice of such things than customers. Apple is one of the most secretive companies in the industry. Some of the people working on projects like the iPhone and the Intel port of OSX only found out they''d be working on the project after the public announcement was made. Basing buying decisions on what somebody tells you Apple "will" do is a recipe for grief. In a more general sense, Apple''s computer business is in the computer business, and thus will be releasing updated computers on a semi- regular basis. These will more than likely be faster, and (in the foreseeable future) track to Intel''s processor roadmap for the relevant product lines. If you''d like to reduce (but not eliminate) your chance of buying new Apple hardware just before Apple obsoletes it, read this and take your chances: http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ -faisal --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
gene tani
2007-Oct-03 20:01 UTC
Re: OT: Mac RAM usage (was Re: Mac buying advice -- which mo
> vs. matte debate.... the glossy is amazing. the picture is sooooo > clear and the colors are sooooo awesome. i think the only bad thing > about it is that it spoils you :-) when you get back on a screen w/o > it, it just seems dull. plus with the mac book pro, you can hook up aGlossy vs. matte: I have a ubuntu/win laptop glossy and a powerbook matte, what i can say is when it''s good it''s really good, when it''s bad ... The worst case is if you buy the wrong display, you can re- sell the MBP for maybe $100 less than you paid ( I think apple stores still have 10% restocking fee). --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I''m ready to make the switch but the only reason that I''ve been waiting is that sites like http://mactactic.com/ are estimating that we are ~6 weeks away from the new Mac Books. I''ve also been checking out the other Apple rumor sites and the vibe I get is that the new models will be announced with Leopard. Since I''m new to the Apple scene how reliable are these sites? I know these are *rumor* sites and all repost need to be takes with a grain of salt. I can hold out for 6 weeks but if it''s the spring then I''m off to get one today. On Oct 2, 2:52 am, joshnolan <joshno...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> If you can wait, the MAC dude at the store said, next spring the > laptops are dropping in price and coming out with some new models... > > but thats only if you can wait.. > > On Oct 1, 11:08 pm, Jarrod Menoube <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> > wrote: > > > Alex Satrapa wrote: > > > I use a MacBook (13 inch screen) with 2GB RAM and glossy screen. It > > > works just fine for me. I use it outside, I use it inside. I use it on > > > the desk, I use it on couch! The glossy screen is fine, despite those > > > who grouch. > > > > I used to have a PowerBook G4 with 2GB RAM and matte screen. I > > > couldn''t use it outdoors, because sunlight would illuminate the non- > > > glare coating and obstruct my vision. The glossy screen on the MacBook > > > means that I only get glare from one direction - behind me. > > > Thanks. Very interesting. I kind of like the glossy screen. I had a > > laptop with one a while back and it was OK. > > > E > > -- > > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I wouldn''t say they are reliable at all. I have read these rumors many times, and they usually base their times off of apples typical release cycle, In other words, "New Mac Books are due out soon because they typically release them ever 18 months", etc. They could be close, or in the case of the new iMacs, they were off by almost 6 months. It''s pure speculation. I can tell you this, my MBP 2.2 dual core w/ 2 G ram is blazing fast and rivals many desktops as far as speed is concerned. I don''t see you regretting your decision to buy one today. Thats my $.02 and it''s not my fault if they release new ones tomorrow ;) Hardbap wrote:> I''m ready to make the switch but the only reason that I''ve been > waiting is that sites like http://mactactic.com/ are estimating that > we are ~6 weeks away from the new Mac Books. I''ve also been checking > out the other Apple rumor sites and the vibe I get is that the new > models will be announced with Leopard. > > Since I''m new to the Apple scene how reliable are these sites? I know > these are *rumor* sites and all repost need to be takes with a grain > of salt. > > I can hold out for 6 weeks but if it''s the spring then I''m off to get > one today. > > On Oct 2, 2:52 am, joshnolan <joshno...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> If you can wait, the MAC dude at the store said, next spring the >> laptops are dropping in price and coming out with some new models... >> >> but thats only if you can wait.. >> >> On Oct 1, 11:08 pm, Jarrod Menoube <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> >> wrote: >> >> >>> Alex Satrapa wrote: >>> >>>> I use a MacBook (13 inch screen) with 2GB RAM and glossy screen. It >>>> works just fine for me. I use it outside, I use it inside. I use it on >>>> the desk, I use it on couch! The glossy screen is fine, despite those >>>> who grouch. >>>> >>>> I used to have a PowerBook G4 with 2GB RAM and matte screen. I >>>> couldn''t use it outdoors, because sunlight would illuminate the non- >>>> glare coating and obstruct my vision. The glossy screen on the MacBook >>>> means that I only get glare from one direction - behind me. >>>> >>> Thanks. Very interesting. I kind of like the glossy screen. I had a >>> laptop with one a while back and it was OK. >>> >>> E >>> -- >>> Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/. >>> > > > > >-- Sincerely, William Pratt --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 10/4/07, Hardbap <hardbap-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > I''m ready to make the switch but the only reason that I''ve been > waiting is that sites like http://mactactic.com/ are estimating that > we are ~6 weeks away from the new Mac Books. I''ve also been checking > out the other Apple rumor sites and the vibe I get is that the new > models will be announced with Leopard. > > Since I''m new to the Apple scene how reliable are these sites? I know > these are *rumor* sites and all repost need to be takes with a grain > of salt. > > I can hold out for 6 weeks but if it''s the spring then I''m off to get > one today. >Well here''s another opinion at http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Portable_Macs I for one just bought a MacBook about three weeks ago. One reason to hold off just a little bit might be to get Leopard instead of Tiger, but that''s a personal decision. Leopard is supposed to be out this month. My bet is Halloween day. -- Rick DeNatale My blog on Ruby http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Another thing to mention, the student discount of $300 is over now, but you still get a free $100 printer through October 22nd. I got one with mine and it''s pretty nice. HP all in one. It''s a mail in rebate, but still virtually free. They processed my rebate in under 2 weeks. http://www.apple.com/promo/perfectcompanion/ Hardbap wrote:> I''m ready to make the switch but the only reason that I''ve been > waiting is that sites like http://mactactic.com/ are estimating that > we are ~6 weeks away from the new Mac Books. I''ve also been checking > out the other Apple rumor sites and the vibe I get is that the new > models will be announced with Leopard. > > Since I''m new to the Apple scene how reliable are these sites? I know > these are *rumor* sites and all repost need to be takes with a grain > of salt. > > I can hold out for 6 weeks but if it''s the spring then I''m off to get > one today. > > On Oct 2, 2:52 am, joshnolan <joshno...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> If you can wait, the MAC dude at the store said, next spring the >> laptops are dropping in price and coming out with some new models... >> >> but thats only if you can wait.. >> >> On Oct 1, 11:08 pm, Jarrod Menoube <rails-mailing-l...-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> >> wrote: >> >> >>> Alex Satrapa wrote: >>> >>>> I use a MacBook (13 inch screen) with 2GB RAM and glossy screen. It >>>> works just fine for me. I use it outside, I use it inside. I use it on >>>> the desk, I use it on couch! The glossy screen is fine, despite those >>>> who grouch. >>>> >>>> I used to have a PowerBook G4 with 2GB RAM and matte screen. I >>>> couldn''t use it outdoors, because sunlight would illuminate the non- >>>> glare coating and obstruct my vision. The glossy screen on the MacBook >>>> means that I only get glare from one direction - behind me. >>>> >>> Thanks. Very interesting. I kind of like the glossy screen. I had a >>> laptop with one a while back and it was OK. >>> >>> E >>> -- >>> Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/. >>> > > > > >-- Sincerely, William Pratt --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---