OK, I''m hoping there''s a better way to do this, but searching returns many more old hits than "current" ones. I am working on an application that has Products belong to a Category and categories belong to a Group. I want to restrict the removal of a Category when it still has Products. I also want to restrict the removal of a Group if any of it''s categories can''t be removed. class Group < ActiveRecord::Base before_destroy :ensure_no_categories_with_products has_many :categories, :dependent => :destroy def ensure_no_categories_with_products unless self.categories.all? {|c| c.products.empty?} self.errors.add_to_base "Can''t destroy a group referenced by a category having products" return false end end end class Category < ActiveRecord::Base belongs_to :group before_destroy :ensure_no_products has_many :products def ensure_no_products unless self.products.empty? self.errors.add_to_base "Can''t destroy a category having products" return false end # raise "Can''t destroy a category having products" unless self.products.empty? end end class Product < ActiveRecord::Base belongs_to :category end As a side note, I couldn''t find definitive guidance on whether returning false or raising an exception was "better", but returning false ended up working out better for my controllers. So here''s the big question: It feels wrong to duplicate the condition "unless self.categories.all? {|c| c.products.empty?}" in the Group model, but I''m not sure changing it to "unless self.categories.all? {|c| c.ensure_no_products }" feels any better. I realize it''s a bit asymmetric letting a Group be removed if there are existing Categories that happen to be Productless, but I''m OK with the :dependent => :destroy taking care of that. What I''d love to know is if there''s a better way. I can see this same kind of relationship other places: Group=>Category=>Product Author=>Post=>Comment House=>Room=>Furniture I found a thread on the Rails-core list (http://wrath.rubyonrails.org/ pipermail/rails-core/2006-July/001986.html) that offered a similar solution via a new :dependent=>:restrict option on has_many (to mimic the RESTRICT option in some SQL dialects such as MySql http:// dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/innodb-foreign-key-constraints.html), but I don''t know if that led to this ticket (http:// dev.rubyonrails.org/ticket/3837) which has a patch which is currently available as a plugin. (These are concerned with just the one-level dependency however.) -Rob Rob Biedenharn http://agileconsultingllc.com Rob-xa9cJyRlE0mWcWVYNo9pwxS2lgjeYSpx@public.gmane.org --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---