Rails - Feb 2007 - SVK and svn:externals for plugins

Hi there.

I''m working with svk [1] for the first time (so I can work offline for
certain periods of time) and have a problem with the plugin script
because it just supports svn, not svk.

I want to install a plugin with svn:externals but don''t know how to o
it or if it''s somehow posible.

I know some well known rails developers use svk so I''d like to know
how they/you manage it considering rails''s strong preference for svn.

Thank you.
Diego


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On Feb 18, 2007, at 10:13 PM, diegal wrote:
> Hi there.
>
> I''m working with svk [1] for the first time (so I can work offline
for
> certain periods of time) and have a problem with the plugin script
> because it just supports svn, not svk.
>
> I want to install a plugin with svn:externals but don''t know how
to o
> it or if it''s somehow posible.
>
> I know some well known rails developers use svk so I''d like to
know
> how they/you manage it considering rails''s strong preference for
svn.
>
> Thank you.
> Diego
Diego,

svk doesn''t support svn:externals

You can manually do the ''svk add ...'' for all the new
resources, but
I just had the (completely untested) thought that you could put a  
symlink from a ''svn'' early in your PATH to the svk executable.
The
command that rails uses "svn add -N #{file}" has arguments that match
svk (similarly for "revert" and "rm").  If you only use svk,
you
might be able to put such an svn->svk trick in your PATH  
permanently.  (Remember, I said this was *untested*!)

Unless you''re using the (b)leading edge of a plugin, you probably  
need to cut the svn:external off in favor of a copy of the plugin(s)  
at a particular point in time prior to going into production anyway.   
My solution has just been to manually add resources (sometimes with  
something like `svk status | ruby -alne ''if $_ =~ %r{^\?} then puts $F 
[1..-1] end'' | xargs svk add` to add everything not already known).

-Rob

Rob Biedenharn		http://agileconsultingllc.com
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On 19 feb, 12:36, Rob Biedenharn
<R...-xa9cJyRlE0mWcWVYNo9pwxS2lgjeYSpx@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> On Feb 18, 2007, at 10:13 PM, diegal wrote:
>
> > Hi there.
>
> > I''m working withsvk[1] for the first time (so I can work
offline for
> > certain periods of time) and have a problem with the plugin script
> > because it just supports svn, notsvk.
>
> > I want to install a plugin with svn:externals but don''t know
how to o
> > it or if it''s somehow posible.
>
> > I know some well known rails developers usesvkso I''d like to
know
> > how they/you manage it considering rails''s strong preference
for svn.
>
> > Thank you.
> > Diego
>
> Diego,
>
> svkdoesn''t support svn:externals
>
> You can manually do the ''svkadd ...'' for all the new
resources, but
> I just had the (completely untested) thought that you could put a
> symlink from a ''svn'' early in your PATH to
thesvkexecutable.  The
> command that rails uses "svn add -N #{file}" has arguments that
match  svk(similarly for "revert" and "rm").  If you only
usesvk, you
> might be able to put such an svn->svktrick in your PATH
> permanently.  (Remember, I said this was *untested*!)
mmm... maybe something like this could be done... I''ll keep that to
try sometime.

For now, I just temporarily abandoned svk in favor of svn (knowing I
can''t commit until being online). I''ll retry using it in a few
days.
>
> Unless you''re using the (b)leading edge of a plugin, you probably
> need to cut the svn:external off in favor of a copy of the plugin(s)
> at a particular point in time prior to going into production anyway.
> My solution has just been to manually add resources (sometimes with
> something like `svkstatus | ruby -alne ''if $_ =~ %r{^\?} then puts
$F
> [1..-1] end'' | xargssvkadd` to add everything not already known).
Jeje. I did something similar based on the svn_conf generated
svn.rake.

This is my lib/tasks/svk.rake

namespace :svk do

  desc "Add all new files to subversion"
  task :add do
     system "svk status | grep ''^\?'' | sed -e
''s/? *//'' | sed -e ''s/ /
\ /g'' | xargs svk add"
  end

end

Thank you
Diego


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I haven''t tried this, but could you ''initially''
svn:external the
plugin into the subversion repository.  Then after you mirror the repo
with svk, will sync''ing your mirror with the repo pull the externals
into your local mirror from that point on?

On Feb 18, 7:13 pm, "diegal"
<diego.algo...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> Hi there.
>
> I''m working with svk [1] for the first time (so I can work offline
for
> certain periods of time) and have a problem with the plugin script
> because it just supports svn, not svk.
>
> I want to install a plugin with svn:externals but don''t know how
to o
> it or if it''s somehow posible.
>
> I know some well known rails developers use svk so I''d like to
know
> how they/you manage it considering rails''s strong preference for
svn.
>
> Thank you.
> Diego

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Nope.  Still doesn''t work.  svk just doesn''t know anything
about the
svn:externals property.  It means nothing more than if you put a  
"color" property on a directory.

-Rob


Rob Biedenharn		http://agileconsultingllc.com
Rob-xa9cJyRlE0mWcWVYNo9pwxS2lgjeYSpx@public.gmane.org

On Feb 19, 2007, at 5:13 PM, apsoto-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
wrote:
>
> I haven''t tried this, but could you ''initially''
svn:external the
> plugin into the subversion repository.  Then after you mirror the repo
> with svk, will sync''ing your mirror with the repo pull the
externals
> into your local mirror from that point on?
>
> On Feb 18, 7:13 pm, "diegal"
<diego.algo...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> Hi there.
>>
>> I''m working with svk [1] for the first time (so I can work
offline
>> for
>> certain periods of time) and have a problem with the plugin script
>> because it just supports svn, not svk.
>>
>> I want to install a plugin with svn:externals but don''t know
how to o
>> it or if it''s somehow posible.
>>
>> I know some well known rails developers use svk so I''d like to
know
>> how they/you manage it considering rails''s strong preference
for svn.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Diego

Too bad that doesn''t work.  However, I''d suggest you use
piston to
manage your plugins.  It makes updates faster because it doesn''t hit
external repo''s on every update.  Also, and more importantly IMO, it
only updates the plugin source when you want it to instead of every
update between your local sandbox and the repo.  Unless you really
need to be on a plugins bleeding edge, I think it''s better to just
have piston checkout out the revision of the plugin you need and only
update it when you need a bug fix or new functionality.  Otherwise,
when you''re constantly updating the plugin source with svn:external,
you will be fighting intermittent errors when the plugin is changed
and your code ''breaks'' even though you changed nothing.

Alex

On Feb 20, 7:54 am, Rob Biedenharn
<R...-xa9cJyRlE0mWcWVYNo9pwxS2lgjeYSpx@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> Nope.  Still doesn''t work.  svk just doesn''t know
anything about the
> svn:externals property.  It means nothing more than if you put a
> "color" property on a directory.
>
> -Rob
>
> Rob Biedenharn          http://agileconsultingllc.com
> R...-xa9cJyRlE0mWcWVYNo9pwxS2lgjeYSpx@public.gmane.org
>
> On Feb 19, 2007, at 5:13 PM, aps...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
wrote:
>
>
>
> > I haven''t tried this, but could you
''initially'' svn:external the
> > plugin into the subversion repository.  Then after you mirror the repo
> > with svk, will sync''ing your mirror with the repo pull the
externals
> > into your local mirror from that point on?
>
> > On Feb 18, 7:13 pm, "diegal"
<diego.algo...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >> Hi there.
>
> >> I''m working with svk [1] for the first time (so I can
work offline
> >> for
> >> certain periods of time) and have a problem with the plugin script
> >> because it just supports svn, not svk.
>
> >> I want to install a plugin with svn:externals but don''t
know how to o
> >> it or if it''s somehow posible.
>
> >> I know some well known rails developers use svk so I''d
like to know
> >> how they/you manage it considering rails''s strong
preference for svn.
>
> >> Thank you.
> >> Diego
>
>
>
>  smime.p7s
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apsoto-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
> Too bad that doesn''t work.  However, I''d suggest you use
piston to
> manage your plugins.  It makes updates faster because it doesn''t
hit
> external repo''s on every update.  Also, and more importantly IMO,
it
> only updates the plugin source when you want it to instead of every
> update between your local sandbox and the repo.  Unless you really
> need to be on a plugins bleeding edge, I think it''s better to just
> have piston checkout out the revision of the plugin you need and only
> update it when you need a bug fix or new functionality.  Otherwise,
> when you''re constantly updating the plugin source with
svn:external,
> you will be fighting intermittent errors when the plugin is changed
> and your code ''breaks'' even though you changed nothing.
The same strategy works very well with SVK - you mirror the plugin repo,
checkout the version you need, copy it in your app and check it in. When you
want to update to new version of the plugin, repeat the procedure (or better,
write a Rake task to do it for you).

--
Sava Chankov


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