Rails-talk, Being an avid Rails user for over two years now, it''s very hard for me to even consider using another type of framework, much less another language altogether than Ruby. However, I do need to do a web portal for a customer in Java. I''ve been researching the available frameworks from Struts, Spring, and JBoss to RIFE, Tapestry, and Trails, and they all come across to me as a dirty conglomeration of Java code snippets and tons of XML configuration files. I have plans on using Prototype / Scriptaculous, so I''m looking for frameworks that support AJAX, and of course link in well with an ORM like Hibernate. For those of you who have been in this situation, what did you choose and why? Thanks for your input. Jason Roelofs --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 2/15/07, Jason Roelofs <jameskilton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Rails-talk, > > Being an avid Rails user for over two years now, it''s very hard for me to > even consider using another type of framework, much less another language > altogether than Ruby. However, I do need to do a web portal for a customer > in Java. I''ve been researching the available frameworks from Struts, Spring, > and JBoss to RIFE, Tapestry, and Trails, and they all come across to me as a > dirty conglomeration of Java code snippets and tons of XML configuration > files. I have plans on using Prototype / Scriptaculous, so I''m looking for > frameworks that support AJAX, and of course link in well with an ORM like > Hibernate. For those of you who have been in this situation, what did you > choose and why?The latest and greatest thinking in the java web frameworks is full stack stuff through JSF with Spring and Hibernate in the middle. Leading examples I can think of are SEAM and Shale. They are not up there with the directness of Rails, but they are steps in the right direction, keeping all the wide applicability of the Java technology and minimising the glue code and configuration. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On 2/15/07, Richard Conroy <richard.conroy-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > > On 2/15/07, Jason Roelofs <jameskilton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > Rails-talk, > > > > Being an avid Rails user for over two years now, it''s very hard for me > to > > even consider using another type of framework, much less another > language > > altogether than Ruby. However, I do need to do a web portal for a > customer > > in Java. I''ve been researching the available frameworks from Struts, > Spring, > > and JBoss to RIFE, Tapestry, and Trails, and they all come across to me > as a > > dirty conglomeration of Java code snippets and tons of XML configuration > > files. I have plans on using Prototype / Scriptaculous, so I''m looking > for > > frameworks that support AJAX, and of course link in well with an ORM > like > > Hibernate. For those of you who have been in this situation, what did > you > > choose and why? > > The latest and greatest thinking in the java web frameworks is full stack > stuff through JSF with Spring and Hibernate in the middle. Leading > examples > I can think of are SEAM and Shale. > They are not up there with the directness of Rails, but they are steps in > the > right direction, keeping all the wide applicability of the Java technology > and > minimising the glue code and configuration. > >After some more research, I stumbled upon Stripes: http://stripes.mc4j.org/confluence/display/stripes/Home Stripes is the first Java framework I''ve seen to embrace "convention over configuration." You can do all your work without jumping into any sort of XML configuration / glue files, though they are available for special cases. It doesn''t come with a persistence layer, but there''s a project Stripernate (http://www.mongus.com/Topics/Web%20Development/Stripernate/) that adds support for Hibernate that also eliminates XML configuration where it can. Heck, some people are even saying that Stripes is better than Rails because of this non-reliance on a persistence layer, however I personally will not go that far, Java is not Ruby. With SEAM, according to this tutorial: http://docs.jboss.com/seam/1.0.1.GA/reference/en/html/tutorial.html you need to edit 5 different XML files to get the application working (including web.xml). While this may be fewer than Struts 1.x, it''s still 4 files too many for anyone trying to just get a web site up and running. On top of all this, the website is packed full of well-written tutorials and plenty of information. Check it out, it looks promising. Jason --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I''ve heard great things about Tapestry (esp. for view stuff). Also heard good things about Stripes, although it''s relatively young. Solid fallback choice if Stripes would fail you would be Spring + Hibernate. Stay away from Struts. My gut feeling on JSF is also to stay away, but not sure if I know enough to advise on that. I saw a presentation on JSF w/AJAX that was awful, so that''s coloring my perception. Wes -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I would recommend you Wicket Web Framework. http:// incubator.apache.org/wicket/ It is nice framework and it was real pleasure for me (I am anti-XML guy) to work with it. All logic implemented in Java. It is easy to develop, easy-to debug. Wicket is easier in learning and using than JSF and similar "enterprise frameworks". From all Java frameworks that I''ve used, Wicket concepts closier to RoR (DRY, Conversation over configuration, easy of develop, very good performance, small footprint). And wicket has very active community. So this framework is really worth to look. On 15 фев, 16:56, "Jason Roelofs" <jameskil...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Rails-talk, > > Being an avid Rails user for over two years now, it''s very hard for me to > even consider using another type of framework, much less another language > altogether than Ruby. However, I do need to do a web portal for a customer > in Java. I''ve been researching the available frameworks from Struts, Spring, > and JBoss to RIFE, Tapestry, and Trails, and they all come across to me as a > dirty conglomeration of Java code snippets and tons of XML configuration > files. I have plans on using Prototype / Scriptaculous, so I''m looking for > frameworks that support AJAX, and of course link in well with an ORM like > Hibernate. For those of you who have been in this situation, what did you > choose and why? > > Thanks for your input. > > Jason Roelofs--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---