My company, CodeGear (the Borland spin-off) has a survey open on Ruby and Ruby on Rails. If you have two minutes we''d appreciate your input on this survey. The survey is at: href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp? u=187863298831 Thanks in advance Joe --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Of course I fat-fingered the URL, it should be: http:// www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=187863298831 Joe On Feb 14, 1:47 pm, "Joe at CodeGear" <jmcgl...-T8eQWhSUU4BWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> My company, CodeGear (the Borland spin-off) has a survey open on Ruby > and Ruby on Rails. If you have two minutes we''d appreciate your input > on this survey. > > The survey is at: href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp? > u=187863298831 > > Thanks in advance > Joe--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Joe at CodeGear wrote:> > My company, CodeGear (the Borland spin-off) has a survey open on Ruby > and Ruby on Rails. If you have two minutes we''d appreciate your input > on this survey. > > The survey is at: href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp? > u=187863298831Briefly: Yes you should develop a Rails editor, and if it thinks outside the box as much as Rails itself does, it could blow other editors away. For example, most Rails development consists of adding a little to a view, adding a little to a controller, then adding a little to a model. So most editors follow the Rails directory format, and put the models up here, the controllers all the way over there, and so on. The ability to navigate smartly amongst stuff, without treating it as separate files, would be priceless. However, question 14 lists common problems with Rails development, and you forgot to mention automated testing, or refactoring, in the list. No editor should make that oversight. -- Phlip http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ZeekLand <-- NOT a blog!! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Thanks Philip, your comments are right on target. Speaking of testing, does anyone use zentest, selenium, watr or other tools in addition to (or instead of) the Rails functional tests? On Feb 14, 2:04 pm, Phlip <phlip2...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> Joe at CodeGear wrote: > > > My company, CodeGear (the Borland spin-off) has a survey open on Ruby > > and Ruby on Rails. Ifyouhave two minutes we''d appreciate your input > > on this survey. > > > The survey is at: href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp? > > u=187863298831 > > Briefly: Yesyoushould develop a Rails editor, and if it thinks > outside the box as much as Rails itself does, it could blow other > editors away. > > For example, most Rails development consists of adding a little to a > view, adding a little to a controller, then adding a little to a > model. So most editors follow the Rails directory format, and put the > models up here, the controllers all the way over there, and so on. The > ability to navigate smartly amongst stuff, without treating it as > separate files, would be priceless. > > However, question 14 lists common problems with Rails development, andyouforgot to mention automated testing, or refactoring, in the list. > No editor should make that oversight. > > -- > Phlip > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ZeekLand <-- NOT a blog!!--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
We use Rails tests then selenium as part of our acceptance testing. It cuts down on the repetitive user testing. Joe at CodeGear wrote:> Thanks Philip, your comments are right on target. > > Speaking of testing, does anyone use zentest, selenium, watr or other > tools in addition to (or instead of) the Rails functional tests?-- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Joe at CodeGear wrote:> Speaking of testing, does anyone use zentest, selenium, watr or other > tools in addition to (or instead of) the Rails functional tests?I use a Wiki I wrote, via pure Ajax, that tests target pages in a little IFrame. Your test button should check-point every file''s state each time the tests get a green bar. Then you should Diff and Revert to that check- point on command. And all the tests should run out of one, unshifted, keystroke. The editor should remain available and unblocked during the run.> > -- > > Phlip > > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ZeekLand<-- NOT a blog!!--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---