I just got the Programming Ruby 2nd edition which I have just peaked at and have done the online tutorial for Rails. Is the 2nd edition of AWDWR for beginners or more for advanced developers? Rae --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
The AWDWR book is the defacto "bible" for rails and is not just recommended for beginners... it''s practically essential. b Rae wrote:> I just got the Programming Ruby 2nd edition which I have just peaked > at and have done the online tutorial for Rails. > Is the 2nd edition of AWDWR for beginners or more for advanced > developers? > > Rae > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I wasn''t sure if it would be over my head at this point or if I should get some more basic rails book. Thanks On Feb 10, 3:14 pm, Ben Munat <bmu...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> The AWDWR book is the defacto "bible" for rails and is not just > recommended for beginners... it''s practically essential. > > b > > > > Rae wrote: > > I just got the Programming Ruby 2nd edition which I have just peaked > > at and have done the online tutorial for Rails. > > Is the 2nd edition of AWDWR for beginners or more for advanced > > developers? > > > Rae- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text ---~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Feb 10, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Rae wrote:> I wasn''t sure if it would be over my head at this point or if I should > get some more basic rails book. ThanksThe second edition is sort of 3 books in one: - an introductory tutorial - an overview of the framework - a pile of supplementary material (brief intro to ruby, details on configuration, security, deployment, resources, etc.) -faisal --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Faisal N Jawdat wrote:> On Feb 10, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Rae wrote: >> I wasn''t sure if it would be over my head at this point or if I should >> get some more basic rails book. Thanks > > The second edition is sort of 3 books in one: > > - an introductory tutorial > - an overview of the framework > - a pile of supplementary material (brief intro to ruby, details on > configuration, security, deployment, resources, etc.) > > -faisalAbsolutely, it''s a must for beginners and advanced. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I don''t think you could get more "basic"... about rails at least. If you aren''t too solid on general programming principles, object-oriented programming theory, and particularly, web application stuff (http, html, css, javascript, etc.), then you should really learn some of that stuff first. b Rae wrote:> I wasn''t sure if it would be over my head at this point or if I should > get some more basic rails book. Thanks > > On Feb 10, 3:14 pm, Ben Munat <bmu...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> The AWDWR book is the defacto "bible" for rails and is not just >> recommended for beginners... it''s practically essential. >> >> b >> >> >> >> Rae wrote: >>> I just got the Programming Ruby 2nd edition which I have just peaked >>> at and have done the online tutorial for Rails. >>> Is the 2nd edition of AWDWR for beginners or more for advanced >>> developers? >>> Rae- Hide quoted text - >> - Show quoted text - > > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Faisal N Jawdat said the following on 02/10/2007 04:13 PM:> > The second edition is sort of 3 books in one: > > - an introductory tutorial > - an overview of the framework > - a pile of supplementary material (brief intro to ruby, details on > configuration, security, deployment, resources, etc.)How different is that from the first edition? -- People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. W. Somerset Maugham --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hi, the new edition supports and covers Rails 1.2. The previous edition does not and there have been changes across the Rails framwork since the first edition. Thus, if you plan to implement and deploy Rails 1.2 apps, then it''s highly recommended to get the most recent edition. Good luck, -Conrad On 2/10/07, Anton Aylward <anton-XdPx9462FWc@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Faisal N Jawdat said the following on 02/10/2007 04:13 PM: > > > > The second edition is sort of 3 books in one: > > > > - an introductory tutorial > > - an overview of the framework > > - a pile of supplementary material (brief intro to ruby, details on > > configuration, security, deployment, resources, etc.) > > How different is that from the first edition? > > -- > People ask for criticism, but they only want praise. > W. Somerset Maugham > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
On Feb 10, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:> How different is that from the first edition?Subjectively, the second edition is more thorough and better organized. YMMV. -faisal --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I think that the author''s goal was to describe Rails as clearly as possible without regard to a particular experience level. Some topics can''t help but be advanced; others are fairly simple. The best thing that you could probably do is focus on Ruby. David Black has an awesome book for beginners; after that really give the Pickaxe plenty of time. Ruby, Ruby, Ruby...then Rails will be much easier. Jim W. On Feb 10, 11:32 am, "Rae" <Rae...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I just got the Programming Ruby 2nd edition which I have just peaked > at and have done the online tutorial for Rails. > Is the 2nd edition of AWDWR for beginners or more for advanced > developers? > > Rae--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Thanks. I''ll probably end up getting both. I''m not a programmer so this one sounds like it may be a good one for me. Rae On Feb 11, 2:07 pm, "Jimtron" <jimtron9...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:> I think that the author''s goal was to describe Rails as clearly as > possible without regard to a particular experience level. Some topics > can''t help but be advanced; others are fairly simple. The best thing > that you could probably do is focus on Ruby. David Black has an > awesome book for beginners; after that really give the Pickaxe plenty > of time. Ruby, Ruby, Ruby...then Rails will be much easier. > > Jim W. > > On Feb 10, 11:32 am, "Rae" <Rae...-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > > > I just got the Programming Ruby 2nd edition which I have just peaked > > at and have done the online tutorial for Rails. > > Is the 2nd edition of AWDWR for beginners or more for advanced > > developers? > > > Rae- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text ---~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---