Rails - Jan 2007 - Should I go to MacBook??? (or Windows with: Sony Vaio, or Acer TravelMate Series 3010 ???)

Hi all,

I have a dilemma!  I want to go to a very compact notebook for on-the-go
rails coding, however after reviewing what''s available it seems the
*MacBook
* is a real contender, but I''ve not been a Mac/Apple user before.  Some
advice would be great.

*Re Hardware Choice
*(a) *Sony Vaio* VGNTX47GPW - 11" screen, 1.25kg, bit smaller than MacBook
  ==> excellent BUT more expensive ~A$3600

(b) *Acer Travel Mate* - 12.1" screen, 1.5kg, mid-way in size between
MacBook & Sony
 ==> still a bit expensive ~A$2900

(c) *MacBook* - A$2099, but very slightly bigger, *BUT 2.36kg!*
**

I really want something I can carry around everywhere with minimum of
annoyance, so the 1.25kg 11" screen Sony would be great.  However
I''m not
sure if it warrents paying TWICE the price of a MacBook.

*Question 1* - MacBook users: How do you find the device from the point of
view of weight and likelihood that you''d carry around with you, or get
sick
of the weight and want to leave it at home?

*Question 2* - Should I move to a Mac?.......from a Rails development
perspective I assume it should fine.   I use RadRails / InstantRails /
Firebug at the moment.

*Question 3 *- Other windows applications/things I use, know off hand if
they are covered on the Mac???

   1. Ability to share directories and files with other Windows XP
   computers on my network? (e.g. play MPEG2/MPEG4 movies)
   2. Share iTunes songs between Mac and Windows PCs on my network
   3. Adobe Photoshop
   4. Dreamweaver
   5. Truecrypt


Any other advice that would sway me to become, or not become, a Mac user for
the first time?   :)


Many thanks
Greg

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My advice is to go to a macbook, Mac are better then windows, first the
security is better then in windows and also the installation of ruby on
rails is very easy to do.
    Forget about the windows .....
      Regards Dan,


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Q1
I don''t have any issues carrying my macbook around. You''d
probably
struggle using on planes and so on (assuming you usually go economy), 
but most of my use is walking to and from the office and for that it''s 
fine.

Q2
RadRails and Firebug run just great (although personally I use 
textmate). As for instantrails, you could try Locomotive, personally I 
just installed everything by hand.
For rails development it''s been completely trouble free for me.

Q3
1) yes
2) yes
3/4) Photoshop & dreamweaver available for mac, intel native not yet 
available. Intel native versions are scheduled for spring 2007. If you 
have a license for photoshop cs2 you can download an intel native beta.
5) Don''t know what that is

Fred

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I rememeber a few years ago when I switch from Windows to Mac I had a 
few question about mac if is good, if you can find softwares like in 
windows which they work. And now I can say that I am very glad that I 
have change it to mac. Any way, when I have install rails on my mac was 
very easy for me, TextMate and Rails they work they good on mac.
   Best Regards Dan,

Frederick Cheung wrote:
> Q1
> I don''t have any issues carrying my macbook around. You''d
probably
> struggle using on planes and so on (assuming you usually go economy), 
> but most of my use is walking to and from the office and for that
it''s
> fine.
> 
> Q2
> RadRails and Firebug run just great (although personally I use 
> textmate). As for instantrails, you could try Locomotive, personally I 
> just installed everything by hand.
> For rails development it''s been completely trouble free for me.
> 
> Q3
> 1) yes
> 2) yes
> 3/4) Photoshop & dreamweaver available for mac, intel native not yet 
> available. Intel native versions are scheduled for spring 2007. If you 
> have a license for photoshop cs2 you can download an intel native beta.
> 5) Don''t know what that is
> 
> Fred

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now I''m using Linux Gentoo on a notebook and desktop, but i think that 
when I''ll change my notebook I''ll take a macbook, just because
I''ve
tried textmate...and i love it, also if radrails is good
(anyway also with a mac I''ll stay with Gentoo :))

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Greg Hauptmann wrote:
> *Question 1* - MacBook users: How do you find the device from the point 
> of
> view of weight and likelihood that you''d carry around with you, or
get
> sick
> of the weight and want to leave it at home?
The MacBook is the perfect size in my opinion, haven''t had issues 
carrying it about.  I got a small case for it, so that didn''t add much 
more weight overall.

> *Question 2* - Should I move to a Mac?.......from a Rails development
> perspective I assume it should fine.   I use RadRails / InstantRails /
> Firebug at the moment.
From a Rails point of view its no secret Rails runs better on a Mac.  If 
your using LightTPD, Apache, LiteSpeed, etc. its just gonna be better on 
a Mac (or Linux) than Windows.  I run Komodo and Textmate and they are 
awesome tools.  Keep in mind Textmate doesn''t run outside of OS X. 
Yes,
you can run Rails on Windows ust fine but I''m telling you its less of s
headache on Mac.  Also, keep in mind when Leopard ships they are 
building Ruby on Rails right into the OS as well as Cocoa bindings for 
Python and Ruby.  Good times are ahead for developers.  What will a 
person get with Vista?  A slower machine?  Virus''s?  More security 
issues to worry about?
> 
> *Question 3 *- Other windows applications/things I use, know off hand if
> they are covered on the Mac???
Just get a copy of Parallels.  Runs all you Windows apps and runs them 
well.  You can share files between Parallels and Windows easily.  Adobe 
CS3 comes out Q2 of this year and will be a universal binary.  CS2 runs 
on the intel Macs under Rosetta but a little slower than the native PPC.
> 
> Any other advice that would sway me to become, or not become, a Mac user 
> for
> the first time?   :)
When I decided to break away from Windows I was worried.  My worries 
soon went away.  Everything I needed was on the Mac already (even World 
of Warcraft).  I haven''t looked back.  People are happy in the Mac side
of the world.  I love it.  Join us will you?

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Hi Greg,

MacBooks (and MacBook Pros) are awesome.  I think if you make the
switch, you will start doing some things that will really amaze you as
far as your development methodologies.  While you may not be a
command-line buff, and certainly using RadRails provides you with a lot
of things you would otherwise type into a command-line, having the
power of Unix at your fingertips really is a good thing.  Another bonus
of the macBook, if you run Parallels (like I do), you can live in
Windows, Mac and Unix worlds all at the same time on one machine.  Very
convenient.

I used RadRails on my pc before I finally got a MacBook Pro.  It is
very good, and coming from an eclipse background, I was very
comfortable with it.  I also have RadRails installed on my Mac, and I
used it as a crutch for quite a few months.  I kept hearing about how
great TextMate was, and it is Mac-only, but I had not tried it until a
couple of months ago.  I now do all of my development on TextMate,
using the command-line to kick off my subversion commands and
Capistrano for deployment.  I have found this process to be quicker
(RadRails svn interface is very slow as opposed to running it from the
command-line).  Also, since the Mac is a Unix-based machine, you will
find many great sites that will provide you with step-by-step
instructions on how to do important tasks.  Like Frederick above, I
rolled my own on my Rails installation, and the HiveLogic site has
amazing instructions that walk you through it step-by-step. I also
installed RMagick locally using their instructions, something that was
a real pain on my Windows pc.

Don''t know what else you like to do, but the built in software included
with the Mac (iLife) is far better and easier to use than the Windows
counterparts.  I know there are things in Windows world that do the
same types of things, but they don''t all work together seemlessly like
in iLife.  There is something to be said for having total control of
both the hardware and the software like Apple does.  Windows has to
support too many variations in hardware, and I think it has hurt them.

Make the switch.  You will be very happy you did.  I almost forgot to
mention this:  I use my make in a huge corporate enterprise on a daily
basis (top 5 bank).  It is a Windows world here, but my machine plays
well with the others.  Using Parallels running Windows, I can connect
to the VPN from home with no issues.  One bonus there is that Parallels
does not take over the Mac''s connection completely, so my web broswer
and email can still function like I am not on a restricted network,
even when I am connected to the VPN.  When I am in the office, I use
Parallels and Windows for running Web Sphere Application Developer,
which runs great by-the-way, and I run everything else on the Mac.
Usining Virtue desktop for the Mac, I can have all of these running on
different desktops and easily flip back and forth with a simple
keystroke.  No rebooting or anything like that.

If you decide to make the switch, enjoy the new world in which you will
be living.  It will be great!

C


On Jan 26, 9:30 am, nick
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wrote:
> now I''m using Linux Gentoo on a notebook and desktop, but i think
that
> when I''ll change my notebook I''ll take a macbook, just
because I''ve
> tried textmate...and i love it, also if radrails is good
> (anyway also with a mac I''ll stay with Gentoo :))
> 
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I can do all my work on either a pc or mac and can move files from one
to another no prob.
we got a mini at the office and in 20 minutes I had all the printers
add, all my shared drives added and even used mail.app (apples email
program) to connect to the exchange server. no third party software
was involved.
I thought about getting Parallels but then i realized I don''t need it.
Plus you can save money by printing  as a PDF. No use for acrobat standard. ;-)

I don''t spend alot of time tweaking my mac. it''s true it just
works.
if i need to i can tweak the heck out of it but i don''t see the need
to. it just works. i personally feel it just nicer to use, prettier
graphics.
oh Don''t get me started on quicksilver.
http://quicksilver.blacktree.com/ i wish there was something like this
for the pc.

oh and automator. dude I created a work flow that I can launch and
it''ll connect me to my wireless home network. with that and
quicksilver it takes three keystrokes to log into my home network.
(i''m sure there''s a way to do that on a pc but i
don''t want to take
the time to figure it out.) also have an automator task to empty my
trash everysunday night. on lees thing I have to remember to do.
(schedule task on a pc?)

in my personal opinion if you want a computer that will work for you a
mac is the way to go. If you like to tweak your system and update you
system all the time and then make fixes because the update broke
something then don''t get a mac.

My macbook is fine to carry around.
It''s a portable video/music workstation out of the box.
and if price is a concern spec out a dell and a mac at the same configuration.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/02/14/pricecomparison2/index.php

ok off my soap box and mindless rambling...
(ps this why one should pay attention in school. So you don''t write
bad things like this)

john


On 1/26/07, Andrew Ganther
<rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
>
> Greg Hauptmann wrote:
>
> > *Question 1* - MacBook users: How do you find the device from the
point
> > of
> > view of weight and likelihood that you''d carry around with
you, or get
> > sick
> > of the weight and want to leave it at home?
>
> The MacBook is the perfect size in my opinion, haven''t had issues
> carrying it about.  I got a small case for it, so that didn''t add
much
> more weight overall.
>
>
> > *Question 2* - Should I move to a Mac?.......from a Rails development
> > perspective I assume it should fine.   I use RadRails / InstantRails /
> > Firebug at the moment.
>
> From a Rails point of view its no secret Rails runs better on a Mac.  If
> your using LightTPD, Apache, LiteSpeed, etc. its just gonna be better on
> a Mac (or Linux) than Windows.  I run Komodo and Textmate and they are
> awesome tools.  Keep in mind Textmate doesn''t run outside of OS X.
Yes,
> you can run Rails on Windows ust fine but I''m telling you its less
of s
> headache on Mac.  Also, keep in mind when Leopard ships they are
> building Ruby on Rails right into the OS as well as Cocoa bindings for
> Python and Ruby.  Good times are ahead for developers.  What will a
> person get with Vista?  A slower machine?  Virus''s?  More security
> issues to worry about?
>
> >
> > *Question 3 *- Other windows applications/things I use, know off hand
if
> > they are covered on the Mac???
>
> Just get a copy of Parallels.  Runs all you Windows apps and runs them
> well.  You can share files between Parallels and Windows easily.  Adobe
> CS3 comes out Q2 of this year and will be a universal binary.  CS2 runs
> on the intel Macs under Rosetta but a little slower than the native PPC.
>
> >
> > Any other advice that would sway me to become, or not become, a Mac
user
> > for
> > the first time?   :)
>
> When I decided to break away from Windows I was worried.  My worries
> soon went away.  Everything I needed was on the Mac already (even World
> of Warcraft).  I haven''t looked back.  People are happy in the Mac
side
> of the world.  I love it.  Join us will you?
>
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>
> >
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The idea that ruby/rails development is better or easier on a mac is a
myth. However, it is true that the mac is generally a slicker machine
hardware and software wise to a pc and therefore seems to inspire
better designed work (or is it simply that better designers choose
macs?). Anyway, my point is that you should get a mac if you''re
prepared to embrace the change. Don''t get one expecting everything to
be exactly the same as before as that misses the point.

I''ve got a macbook and a vaio. The pc is 1.8kg. The difference in
weight isn''t that noticeable, but I don''t travel a lot with
them. If
you''re going to go for a macbook then I''d recommend waiting
for the new
osx, getting a macbook pro instead, and then paralleling it for the
best of all worlds. Otherwise get the vaio now (but only if it is for
on-the-go stuff as it''s too small for a main pc)


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I would argue that TextMate coupled with Locomotive has made my Rails
development life much easier.  Combine that with the fact that you get
a very capable UNIX environment that can run a lot of libraries and
such that Windows can not (or at least, no easily), I would say that
the Mac is a good medium between a solid environment like Linux and a
"usery" environment like Windows.

--Jeremy

On 1/26/07, jops <jopotts-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
>
> The idea that ruby/rails development is better or easier on a mac is a
> myth. However, it is true that the mac is generally a slicker machine
> hardware and software wise to a pc and therefore seems to inspire
> better designed work (or is it simply that better designers choose
> macs?). Anyway, my point is that you should get a mac if you''re
> prepared to embrace the change. Don''t get one expecting everything
to
> be exactly the same as before as that misses the point.
>
> I''ve got a macbook and a vaio. The pc is 1.8kg. The difference in
> weight isn''t that noticeable, but I don''t travel a lot
with them. If
> you''re going to go for a macbook then I''d recommend
waiting for the new
> osx, getting a macbook pro instead, and then paralleling it for the
> best of all worlds. Otherwise get the vaio now (but only if it is for
> on-the-go stuff as it''s too small for a main pc)
>
>
> >
>

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jops wrote:
> The idea that ruby/rails development is better or easier on a mac is a
> myth.
No, it''s not a myth. The proof is right here:

http://locomotive.raaum.org/

I *love* Locomotive!!

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hi jops / all
- re " I''d recommend waiting for the new osx, getting a macbook
pro instead"
- the macbook pro is not is compact was the reason I thought not to into it
in the options.
- Why do you recommend waiting for the new osx?  Was it re the cost of
having to upgrade once it comes out?  I''ve just got this weekend the
opportunity of 10% off the current MacBook..
- was their a reason you say go for the Sony Vaio given that you say you
don''t really notice the difference in weight between it and the
Macbook?

Tks
Greg

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Ugh, I''ve had issues with locomotive.

I *love* running from the command line.

Thanks hivelogic.com!

On Jan 26, 9:39 am, Carl Johnson
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wrote:
> jops wrote:
> > The idea that ruby/rails development is better or easier on a mac is a
> > myth.No, it''s not a myth. The proof is right here:
>
> http://locomotive.raaum.org/
>
> I *love* Locomotive!!
> 
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On 1/26/07, Carl Johnson
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wrote:
>
>
> jops wrote:
> > The idea that ruby/rails development is better or easier on a mac is a
> > myth.
>
> No, it''s not a myth. The proof is right here:
>
> http://locomotive.raaum.org/
>
> I *love* Locomotive!!

I''m supporting or rejecting the notion that rails development is easier
on a
mac, but I would argue with using Locomotive as evidence... after all, on
Windows we''ve got Instant Rails (http://instantrails.rubyforge.org/)!

Curt

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jops wrote:
> The idea that ruby/rails development is better or easier on a mac is a
> myth.
Sorry its not a myth.  Have you ever taken a look at the hacks a person 
has to do to get most Ruby GEMs and such working on Linux/Mac and then 
on Windows?  Take a look at Mongrel for example and tell me its not 
easier for them to get stuff working on a Mac vs. Windows.  The Amazon 
S3 gem also was problematic to get working on Windows.  So there is no 
myth.

Can you run Apache on Windows and OS X and expect Windows to perform 
just as well?  Not a chance.  Lighttpd on Windows?  Again, no.  Rails 
development IS much better on Mac compared to Windows.  There is no 
Textmate for Windows, no Locomotive and MySQL/Postgres don''t perform as
well on Windows and that you can read about in the developer notes for 
each.  Plenty more examples I could toss out there.

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I have a powerbook...I love it !

I used to be a PC fan but since I moved to Apple I would never go back
and daily fight the corner. I use my powerbook at work and at home for
about 12-14 hours most days with apps like photoshop, dreamweaver,
iTunes, illustrator all running at once. I can only image the power
book will be better, my brother bought a new iMac for photographer work
and he said it faster.

I use my powerbook at work that connects to the Windows Network no
problem, you add in IP address a few other simple setting and mount it
on your desktop and good to go. You will find loads of help from apple
about setting up on Windows networks and servers.

If you wait for the Leopard OSX I''m sure that comes with ruby or rails
or both all install on the OS you just have to activate them. I managed
to get full rails system on my machine pretty quickly for local work.

Plus when you buy the mac you get loads of cool apps installed like
Mail, iLife and you dont have to buy extra security software.


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On Jan 26, 11:30 pm, "Greg Hauptmann"
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wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a dilemma!  I want to go to a very compact notebook for on-the-go
> rails coding, however after reviewing what''s available it seems
the *MacBook
> * is a real contender, but I''ve not been a Mac/Apple user before. 
Some
> advice would be great.
>
> *Re Hardware Choice
> *(a) *Sony Vaio* VGNTX47GPW - 11" screen, 1.25kg, bit smaller than
MacBook
>   ==> excellent BUT more expensive ~A$3600
>
> (b) *Acer Travel Mate* - 12.1" screen, 1.5kg, mid-way in size between
> MacBook & Sony
>  ==> still a bit expensive ~A$2900
>
> (c) *MacBook* - A$2099, but very slightly bigger, *BUT 2.36kg!*
> **
>
> I really want something I can carry around everywhere with minimum of
> annoyance, so the 1.25kg 11" screen Sony would be great.  However
I''m not
> sure if it warrents paying TWICE the price of a MacBook.
>
> *Question 1* - MacBook users: How do you find the device from the point of
> view of weight and likelihood that you''d carry around with you, or
get sick
> of the weight and want to leave it at home?
>
> *Question 2* - Should I move to a Mac?.......from a Rails development
> perspective I assume it should fine.   I use RadRails / InstantRails /
> Firebug at the moment.
>
> *Question 3 *- Other windows applications/things I use, know off hand if
> they are covered on the Mac???
>
>    1. Ability to share directories and files with other Windows XP
>    computers on my network? (e.g. play MPEG2/MPEG4 movies)
>    2. Share iTunes songs between Mac and Windows PCs on my network
>    3. Adobe Photoshop
>    4. Dreamweaver
>    5. Truecrypt
>
> Any other advice that would sway me to become, or not become, a Mac user
for
> the first time?   :)
>
> Many thanks
> Greg
I spent 15 years supporting Windows/Netware/Unix networks.  Last year 
I finally purchased an iMac to try them out (the move to Intel was a 
catalyst).  Now I have a macbook and a mini, my father has purchased a 
macbook pro and a mini, my best mate an a macbook and an iMac and my 
brother in law has yet another iMac.  We all love them.

After the initial shock (is that *all* I have to do to install a new 
program?) you will find they do indeed "just work".  OSX and the 
Apple''s design bent seems to attract people who really care about the 
user.  Most applications are well thought out, beautiful and get out 
of your way.  Textmate, Newsfire, Transmit, Transmission, Pathfinder 
and Ruby on Rails are great examples.

I discovered RoR after the move so have not developed a lot on 
anything else, but I did install Rails at work and it was a horrible 
experience.  I can tell you that working an this platform has seen by 
production and pride shoot up.  I have stopped fiddling with settings 
(there is no need to) and just work.

To your questions:
1) File sharing is easy, just enable it in your system preferences.
b) Get Divx and VLC for your mac
2) Haven''t tried, but it should be just as easy.  If not; import all 
your files onto the mac (use Automator) and use the trick remote 
control.
3) I have used an older version.  Slow (as it''s PPC version) - wait 
for Intel version to come out or use Parallels (or VMWare when it''s 
released).
4) See 3
5) Don''t know that app, but I suspect you may need Parallels.

Good luck on you decision.


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I have a Macbook Pro.  It''s my first mac.  I''ve been as system
admin
and developer my whole professional life and have used windows, linux
and now a mac to develop on.

I don''t agree that you need to wait for Leopard, just make sure you
get a Core 2 duo and not just a Core duo as you will want the 64-bit
processor when upgrading to Leopard.  I''m guessing the upgrade will be
around $100.

I use Parallels to run Windows XP within my OS X environment at nearly
full speed and can test IE6 and IE7.  It''s the only time I ever go
into Windows.  It''s also nice for me to install the latest linux
distro every once in a while to see where they are at.

Textmate was the driving force for me to switch, but having the unix
tools like ssh, rsync and other useful commands built in have been
important to increased productivity.

I''m still looking for someone (at least since Tiger) who has switched
to a mac and then back to a PC.

You''ll see lot''s of myths about macs being closed and for
people who
don''t know anything about computers, but the people that know most
about computers love to work on them.  I''ve used linux extensively as
well and the mac never feels closed.  If you want to explore the unix
side, you''ll be able to install most anything on it.

I''m not personally or financially attached to Apple and these are just
computers.  I don''t get upset if someone thinks Windows is better.
But when you are on a computer 10-12 hours a day, the right computer
with the right UI and the right user experience can actually improve
your quality of life.

On 1/27/07, askegg <andrew.skegg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
>
>
>
> On Jan 26, 11:30 pm, "Greg Hauptmann"
<greg.hauptmann.r...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a dilemma!  I want to go to a very compact notebook for
on-the-go
> > rails coding, however after reviewing what''s available it
seems the *MacBook
> > * is a real contender, but I''ve not been a Mac/Apple user
before.  Some
> > advice would be great.
> >
> > *Re Hardware Choice
> > *(a) *Sony Vaio* VGNTX47GPW - 11" screen, 1.25kg, bit smaller
than MacBook
> >   ==> excellent BUT more expensive ~A$3600
> >
> > (b) *Acer Travel Mate* - 12.1" screen, 1.5kg, mid-way in size
between
> > MacBook & Sony
> >  ==> still a bit expensive ~A$2900
> >
> > (c) *MacBook* - A$2099, but very slightly bigger, *BUT 2.36kg!*
> > **
> >
> > I really want something I can carry around everywhere with minimum of
> > annoyance, so the 1.25kg 11" screen Sony would be great.  However
I''m not
> > sure if it warrents paying TWICE the price of a MacBook.
> >
> > *Question 1* - MacBook users: How do you find the device from the
point of
> > view of weight and likelihood that you''d carry around with
you, or get sick
> > of the weight and want to leave it at home?
> >
> > *Question 2* - Should I move to a Mac?.......from a Rails development
> > perspective I assume it should fine.   I use RadRails / InstantRails /
> > Firebug at the moment.
> >
> > *Question 3 *- Other windows applications/things I use, know off hand
if
> > they are covered on the Mac???
> >
> >    1. Ability to share directories and files with other Windows XP
> >    computers on my network? (e.g. play MPEG2/MPEG4 movies)
> >    2. Share iTunes songs between Mac and Windows PCs on my network
> >    3. Adobe Photoshop
> >    4. Dreamweaver
> >    5. Truecrypt
> >
> > Any other advice that would sway me to become, or not become, a Mac
user for
> > the first time?   :)
> >
> > Many thanks
> > Greg
>
> I spent 15 years supporting Windows/Netware/Unix networks.  Last year
> I finally purchased an iMac to try them out (the move to Intel was a
> catalyst).  Now I have a macbook and a mini, my father has purchased a
> macbook pro and a mini, my best mate an a macbook and an iMac and my
> brother in law has yet another iMac.  We all love them.
>
> After the initial shock (is that *all* I have to do to install a new
> program?) you will find they do indeed "just work".  OSX and the
> Apple''s design bent seems to attract people who really care about
the
> user.  Most applications are well thought out, beautiful and get out
> of your way.  Textmate, Newsfire, Transmit, Transmission, Pathfinder
> and Ruby on Rails are great examples.
>
> I discovered RoR after the move so have not developed a lot on
> anything else, but I did install Rails at work and it was a horrible
> experience.  I can tell you that working an this platform has seen by
> production and pride shoot up.  I have stopped fiddling with settings
> (there is no need to) and just work.
>
> To your questions:
> 1) File sharing is easy, just enable it in your system preferences.
> b) Get Divx and VLC for your mac
> 2) Haven''t tried, but it should be just as easy.  If not; import
all
> your files onto the mac (use Automator) and use the trick remote
> control.
> 3) I have used an older version.  Slow (as it''s PPC version) -
wait
> for Intel version to come out or use Parallels (or VMWare when
it''s
> released).
> 4) See 3
> 5) Don''t know that app, but I suspect you may need Parallels.
>
> Good luck on you decision.
>
>
> >
>
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Hi all,
Sorry - I should have qualified my ''myth'' comment better. What
I
really meant was: There is no magical property about developing on a 
mac that makes learning how to program rails stuff any easier than 
learning it on a pc. I started learning on a pc (in radrails), got a 
mac, continued on that (in textmate), and the transition didn''t change 
the need to fully understand the new language and framework. There are 
no shortcuts in the learning curve... However, it''s true that textmate 
really is a thing of beauty. Definitely the best editor I''ve ever 
used.

Greg:
> - re " I''d recommend waiting for the new osx, getting a
macbook pro instead"
> - the macbook pro is not is compact was the reason I thought not to into it
in the options.
> - Why do you recommend waiting for the new osx?  Was it re the cost of
> having to upgrade once it comes out?  I''ve just got this weekend
the
> opportunity of 10% off the current MacBook..
If you''re after a portable laptop then you''re right, stick to
the
macbook. It''s heavier than the others in your list but the joy of 
having it rather than a pc will more than compensate for the 
weight ;-) The reason I said wait, was that I''m going to do just that! 
I have a vaio and a macbook, and I''m happy enough with the mac to now 
want a MBP17 with parallels to replace the two, and I can wait as I 
already have a mac! Also portability isn''t a major factor for me.
> - was their a reason you say go for the Sony Vaio given that you say you
> don''t really notice the difference in weight between it and the
Macbook?
I did suggest either go pro or get a pc I suppose. Hmm, ok, I''ll take 
that back. I think the reason I said that was because I have the 
cheapest macbook with only half a gig ram, and it''s simply not 
powerful enough to replace my pc yet (using parallels) - VS2005 is a 
monster! That''s why I said get a pro. Also, the macbook screen 
resolution isn''t enough for my liking, but that''s quite a
personal
thing.

Anyway, good luck in your choice... hope you make the right decision!


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About 2 years ago I made the switch from PC to mac for my laptop.

For rails development, and many other environments for that matter, I 
like using a UNIX or LINUX based OS. I find it easier to get things up 
and running since a lot of people developing things like rails and 
other open source projects do so in that environment to begin with.

I didn''t read this post in full details, but I saw something mentioned 
about Adobe products. The higher post is correct in that there will 
not be a universal binary until spring for CS3. However, as far as 
Adobe and any Windows programs go, you could run parallels or one of 
the other up and coming VM products for the mac. I have a friend who 
does both his windows and mac development from a non-pro macbook using 
parallels when necessary.

I also find the hardware, at least as far as laptops go, superb for 
the mac. That''s my 2 cents.


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I''m just curious.. if your employer doesn''t demand you run
Windows, why
would anyone in their right mind do so? It may sound that I am biased, truly
I am not. I am all for the OS to be the most user/developer friendly. Wait,
maybe I am biased about being a ''command-line'' guy, but still
I really don''t
understand why anyone with a choice would even consider running Windows.
I Know there are times when your work environment doesn''t leave you a
choice, or your a gamer.. blah blah.

Seriously, IMHO think that people just get stuck in something they are
already familiar with, inferior or not. The ripple effect of long-ago''s
Microsoft great PR.

I personally find my MacBook irreplaceable and think saying should I go with
OSX or Windows is like going on a first date or trying to rekindle a
relationship with an ex. One is new and exciting and so much fun to use, and
the other is filled with reservations and false hopes, all for an easy lay
and a familiar place. *grins.

my $0.02

Mike

On 1/27/07, ejvincent-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
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wrote:
>
>
> About 2 years ago I made the switch from PC to mac for my laptop.
>
> For rails development, and many other environments for that matter, I
> like using a UNIX or LINUX based OS. I find it easier to get things up
> and running since a lot of people developing things like rails and
> other open source projects do so in that environment to begin with.
>
> I didn''t read this post in full details, but I saw something
mentioned
> about Adobe products. The higher post is correct in that there will
> not be a universal binary until spring for CS3. However, as far as
> Adobe and any Windows programs go, you could run parallels or one of
> the other up and coming VM products for the mac. I have a friend who
> does both his windows and mac development from a non-pro macbook using
> parallels when necessary.
>
> I also find the hardware, at least as far as laptops go, superb for
> the mac. That''s my 2 cents.
>
>
> >
>

-- 
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About Adobe CS2,

My MacBook Core 2 Duo with 2GB ram, runs CS2 just fine under Rosetta. Plus
if you have a license key for Adobe already you can download the CS3 Beta
and use it. ( Not sure the exact terms..)

mike

On 1/27/07, Michael Steinfeld
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wrote:
>
> I''m just curious.. if your employer doesn''t demand you
run Windows, why
> would anyone in their right mind do so? It may sound that I am biased,
truly
> I am not. I am all for the OS to be the most user/developer friendly. Wait,
> maybe I am biased about being a ''command-line'' guy, but
still I really don''t
> understand why anyone with a choice would even consider running Windows.
> I Know there are times when your work environment doesn''t leave
you a
> choice, or your a gamer.. blah blah.
>
> Seriously, IMHO think that people just get stuck in something they are
> already familiar with, inferior or not. The ripple effect of
long-ago''s
> Microsoft great PR.
>
> I personally find my MacBook irreplaceable and think saying should I go
> with OSX or Windows is like going on a first date or trying to rekindle a
> relationship with an ex. One is new and exciting and so much fun to use,
and
> the other is filled with reservations and false hopes, all for an easy lay
> and a familiar place. *grins.
>
> my $0.02
>
> Mike
>
> On 1/27/07, ejvincent-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
<ejvincent-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > wrote:
> >
> >
> > About 2 years ago I made the switch from PC to mac for my laptop.
> >
> > For rails development, and many other environments for that matter, I
> > like using a UNIX or LINUX based OS. I find it easier to get things up
> > and running since a lot of people developing things like rails and
> > other open source projects do so in that environment to begin with.
> >
> > I didn''t read this post in full details, but I saw something
mentioned
> > about Adobe products. The higher post is correct in that there will
> > not be a universal binary until spring for CS3. However, as far as
> > Adobe and any Windows programs go, you could run parallels or one of
> > the other up and coming VM products for the mac. I have a friend who
> > does both his windows and mac development from a non-pro macbook using
> > parallels when necessary.
> >
> > I also find the hardware, at least as far as laptops go, superb for
> > the mac. That''s my 2 cents.
> >
> >
> > > >
> >
>
>
> --
> -mike
>
>

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tks guys,

He''s my main dilemma, after visiting shops yesterday:

*The Macbook is noticeably heaver than the Sony Vaio!  *I need a notebook I
can carry around in my backpack on a daily basis.  The Macbook is *2.36kg*,
whereas the Vaio (SZ34GP) is only *1.85kg*.   This really makes it hard for
me to cross the line over to the Macbook in my particular case.  This is a
shame as the comparison is roughly:

* Macbook - A*$2000* - Dual Core 2GHz - *2.36kg*.
* Sony VGN SZ34GP - A*$2799* - Dual Core 1.8GHz - *1.85kg* (includes Vista
Bus Upgrade)

Ummmm...................any ideas?  No lighter version of the Macbook coming
out soon?

Tks
Greg








On 1/28/07, jops <jopotts-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
> Sorry - I should have qualified my ''myth'' comment better.
What I
> really meant was: There is no magical property about developing on a
> mac that makes learning how to program rails stuff any easier than
> learning it on a pc. I started learning on a pc (in radrails), got a
> mac, continued on that (in textmate), and the transition didn''t
change
> the need to fully understand the new language and framework. There are
> no shortcuts in the learning curve... However, it''s true that
textmate
> really is a thing of beauty. Definitely the best editor I''ve ever
> used.
>
> Greg:
> > - re " I''d recommend waiting for the new osx, getting a
macbook pro
> instead"
> > - the macbook pro is not is compact was the reason I thought not to
into
> it in the options.
> > - Why do you recommend waiting for the new osx?  Was it re the cost of
> > having to upgrade once it comes out?  I''ve just got this
weekend the
> > opportunity of 10% off the current MacBook..
>
> If you''re after a portable laptop then you''re right,
stick to the
> macbook. It''s heavier than the others in your list but the joy of
> having it rather than a pc will more than compensate for the
> weight ;-) The reason I said wait, was that I''m going to do just
that!
> I have a vaio and a macbook, and I''m happy enough with the mac to
now
> want a MBP17 with parallels to replace the two, and I can wait as I
> already have a mac! Also portability isn''t a major factor for me.
>
> > - was their a reason you say go for the Sony Vaio given that you say
you
> > don''t really notice the difference in weight between it and
the Macbook?
>
> I did suggest either go pro or get a pc I suppose. Hmm, ok, I''ll
take
> that back. I think the reason I said that was because I have the
> cheapest macbook with only half a gig ram, and it''s simply not
> powerful enough to replace my pc yet (using parallels) - VS2005 is a
> monster! That''s why I said get a pro. Also, the macbook screen
> resolution isn''t enough for my liking, but that''s quite a
personal
> thing.
>
> Anyway, good luck in your choice... hope you make the right decision!
>
>
> >
>
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tks guys,

He''s my main dilemma, after visiting shops yesterday:

*The Macbook is noticeably heaver than the Sony Vaio!  *I need a notebook I
can carry around in my backpack on a daily basis.  The Macbook is *2.36kg*,
whereas the Vaio (SZ34GP) is only *1.85kg*.   This really makes it hard for
me to cross the line over to the Macbook in my particular case.  This is a
shame as the comparison is roughly:

* Macbook - A*$2000* - Dual Core 2GHz - *2.36kg*.
* Sony VGN SZ34GP - A*$2799* - Dual Core 1.8GHz - *1.85kg* (includes Vista
Bus Upgrade)

Ummmm...................any ideas?  No lighter version of the Macbook coming
out soon?

Tks
Greg

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> He''s my main dilemma, after visiting shops yesterday:
  > The Macbook is noticeably heaver than the Sony Vaio!  (Editor''s
note: 510g !!)
  > I need a notebook I can carry around in my backpack on a daily basis.
  > Ummmm...................any ideas?

Lose some weight.
Buy a bigger backpack.

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The price of the macbook online at apple ranges from 1099.00 - 1499.00 and
is a "Core 2 Duo" not a "Dual Core".

Is the weight difference really that big of a deal for you? Again, what you
are trading off in weight as far as developers choice notebook is
incomparable. the Sony vaio for 2799.00 in my opinion is overpriced and not
worth it. Why buy overpriced hardware with a crappy OS for $1300.00-$1500.00
more just cause of weight?

I carry my macbook in a messenger bag all over town.

mike

On 1/27/07, Greg Hauptmann
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wrote:
>
> tks guys,
>
> He''s my main dilemma, after visiting shops yesterday:
>
> *The Macbook is noticeably heaver than the Sony Vaio!  *I need a notebook
> I can carry around in my backpack on a daily basis.  The Macbook is *
> 2.36kg*, whereas the Vaio (SZ34GP) is only *1.85kg*.   This really makes
> it hard for me to cross the line over to the Macbook in my particular case.
> This is a shame as the comparison is roughly:
>
> * Macbook - A*$2000* - Dual Core 2GHz - *2.36kg*.
> * Sony VGN SZ34GP - A*$2799* - Dual Core 1.8GHz - *1.85kg* (includes Vista
> Bus Upgrade)
>
> Ummmm...................any ideas?  No lighter version of the Macbook
> coming out soon?
>
> Tks
> Greg
>
> >
>

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On Jan 28, 8:40 am, "Greg Hauptmann"
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wrote:
> tks guys,
>
> He''s my main dilemma, after visiting shops yesterday:
>
> *The Macbook is noticeably heaver than the Sony Vaio!  *I need a notebook I
> can carry around in my backpack on a daily basis.  The Macbook is *2.36kg*,
> whereas the Vaio (SZ34GP) is only *1.85kg*.   This really makes it hard for
> me to cross the line over to the Macbook in my particular case.  This is a
> shame as the comparison is roughly:
>
> * Macbook - A*$2000* - Dual Core 2GHz - *2.36kg*.
> * Sony VGN SZ34GP - A*$2799* - Dual Core 1.8GHz - *1.85kg* (includes Vista
> Bus Upgrade)
>
> Ummmm...................any ideas?  No lighter version of the Macbook
coming
> out soon?
>
> Tks
> Greg
Your young, fit and the mac will make life better (and save your 
wallet).
Apple are always very coy about upcoming products.

join us, join us, join us.....





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ohhhh.....you guys are making it difficult....did I tell you this weekend
here the large retail chain is offering 10% stock including Macbooks (which
apparently is not frequent)

ok - so can I ask re the Macbook option:

1 - How much HDD does all the normal web development s/w + Parallels take
up?  That is so I can work out how much of a HDD upgrade I should go for if
I go the Mac?  (e.g. Ruby, RadRails, Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Parallels)

2 - Are there any applications that come with the Mac that you''d
normally
have to pay more $$ for on the PC platform that are worth it?  i.e. do I get
more effective value for money with the Mac here?  (in particular from a
developer point of view)

3 - As an aside as a muso, does GarageBand do Audio & Midi recording?  Or
would I need to spend more money to get a Mac version of something like
Cubase / Protools?


tks heaps - still have the background thought of my backpack being heavier
:)

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Greg Hauptmann wrote:
> 1 - How much HDD does all the normal web development s/w + Parallels 
> take
> up?  That is so I can work out how much of a HDD upgrade I should go for 
> if
> I go the Mac?  (e.g. Ruby, RadRails, Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Parallels)
Development takes little space.  Photos, video, music are space eaters.
> 2 - Are there any applications that come with the Mac that you''d 
> normally
> have to pay more $$ for on the PC platform that are worth it?  i.e. do I 
> get
> more effective value for money with the Mac here?  (in particular from a
> developer point of view)
Be sure to get Parallels and you don''t have to choose.  If you plan to 
use Parallels daily, get 2GB RAM.  Your machine will thank you.

Included apps on my MacBook Pro were iDVD, iMovie, iPhoto and all are 
pretty good.  I also had ComicLife and a QuickBooks lite version (not 
trials).
> 3 - As an aside as a muso, does GarageBand do Audio & Midi recording? 
> Or
> would I need to spend more money to get a Mac version of something like
> Cubase / Protools?
I have no idea because I never use GarageBand.

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On Jan 28, 9:35 am, "Greg Hauptmann"
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wrote:
> ohhhh.....you guys are making it difficult....did I tell you this weekend
> here the large retail chain is offering 10% stock including Macbooks (which
> apparently is not frequent)
>
> ok - so can I ask re the Macbook option:
>
> 1 - How much HDD does all the normal web development s/w + Parallels take
> up?  That is so I can work out how much of a HDD upgrade I should go for if
> I go the Mac?  (e.g. Ruby, RadRails, Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Parallels)
>
Going by the img files:
Parallels - 29MB
Textmate - 20MB
Dreamweaver - 160MB

> 2 - Are there any applications that come with the Mac that you''d
normally
> have to pay more $$ for on the PC platform that are worth it?  i.e. do I
get
> more effective value for money with the Mac here?  (in particular from a
> developer point of view)
http://www.apple.com/macbook/ilife.html

>
> 3 - As an aside as a muso, does GarageBand do Audio & Midi recording? 
Or
> would I need to spend more money to get a Mac version of something like
> Cubase / Protools?
Yes, but the application is limited to all but the hobby musos.  Go 
Pro, ProTools (if you have lots of $!) or Ableton (very cool).
>
> tks heaps - still have the background thought of my backpack being heavier
Get a good bag: http://www.sfbags.com/index.htm
> :)
>
> Greg


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On 1/27/07, Greg Hauptmann
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wrote:
>
> ohhhh.....you guys are making it difficult....did I tell you this weekend
> here the large retail chain is offering 10% stock including Macbooks (which
> apparently is not frequent)
>
> ok - so can I ask re the Macbook option:
>
> 1 - How much HDD does all the normal web development s/w + Parallels take
> up?  That is so I can work out how much of a HDD upgrade I should go for if
> I go the Mac?  (e.g. Ruby, RadRails, Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Parallels)
>
 well, stock is 80gb but you can get up to 200gb. I really don''t know
about
the space constraints you are requesting. I have a lot hdd space that I
never keep track. There are many factors for considering the appropriate
space and needs.

2 - Are there any applications that come with the Mac that you''d
normally
> have to pay more $$ for on the PC platform that are worth it?  i.e. do I
> get more effective value for money with the Mac here?  (in particular from
a
> developer point of view)
>
Uhm, you might want to take a look at the OSX downloads section on
apple.comand MacPorts, a ton of opensource software for free.  From a
developer point
of view, well.. what do you really need these days but Eclipse? Or TextMate.
And if your into java or objc development you get Xcode free, but I
don''t
think that it is installed by default. My main dev tools are TextMate for
python and ruby, and vim for just about anything else. Again Free!!!!
TextMate is not free but well worth the cost.


3 - As an aside as a muso, does GarageBand do Audio & Midi recording? 
Or
> would I need to spend more money to get a Mac version of something like
> Cubase / Protools?
>
Yes. You will be amazed with GarageBand, I only wish that when I was younger
and though I would be a rockstart I had such an awesome recording tool.
Okay, so I still think I am a rockstar and plug my guitar right into my mac
and lay down track with ease. Not to mention all the JamTracks GB has.



tks heaps - still have the background thought of my backpack being
heavier
> :)
>
Sounds to me like you actually have no idea about OSX. Let me end with this.
Once you use OSX coming from windows.. say maybe a 2 week learning curve,
after a few months of use, you will be asking yourself, Why have I not done
this sooner, and Wow, I knew Microsoft was not the best OS, but I really
didn''t know it was that bad.

I make those as promises to you. Feel free to let me know after a few
months, if I was correct.



Greg
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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tks again Michael / askegg

Hopefully last question - but can you quote a couple of specific example why
Mac O/S is better than Windows?  I know this is the general statement, but
I''ve not really understood why it is better (besides the malware/virus
stuff).  Is there anything solid beyond this and useability?

Tks
almost converted Greg



On 1/28/07, Michael Steinfeld
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wrote:
>
>
>
> On 1/27/07, Greg Hauptmann
<greg.hauptmann.ruby-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> > ohhhh.....you guys are making it difficult....did I tell you this
> > weekend here the large retail chain is offering 10% stock including
Macbooks
> > (which apparently is not frequent)
> >
> > ok - so can I ask re the Macbook option:
> >
> > 1 - How much HDD does all the normal web development s/w + Parallels
> > take up?  That is so I can work out how much of a HDD upgrade I should
go
> > for if I go the Mac?  (e.g. Ruby, RadRails, Dreamweaver, Photoshop,
> > Parallels)
> >
>
>  well, stock is 80gb but you can get up to 200gb. I really don''t
know
> about the space constraints you are requesting. I have a lot hdd space that
> I never keep track. There are many factors for considering the appropriate
> space and needs.
>
>
>  2 - Are there any applications that come with the Mac that you''d
normally
> > have to pay more $$ for on the PC platform that are worth it?   i.e.
do
> > I get more effective value for money with the Mac here?  (in
particular from
> > a developer point of view)
> >
>
> Uhm, you might want to take a look at the OSX downloads section on
> apple.com and MacPorts, a ton of opensource software for free.  From a
> developer point of view, well.. what do you really need these days but
> Eclipse? Or TextMate. And if your into java or objc development you get
> Xcode free, but I don''t think that it is installed by default. My
main dev
> tools are TextMate for python and ruby, and vim for just about anything
> else. Again Free!!!! TextMate is not free but well worth the cost.
>
>
>
>
> > 3 - As an aside as a muso, does GarageBand do Audio & Midi
recording?
> > Or would I need to spend more money to get a Mac version of something
like
> > Cubase / Protools?
> >
>
> Yes. You will be amazed with GarageBand, I only wish that when I was
> younger and though I would be a rockstart I had such an awesome recording
> tool. Okay, so I still think I am a rockstar and plug my guitar right into
> my mac and lay down track with ease. Not to mention all the JamTracks GB
> has.
>
>
>
>  tks heaps - still have the background thought of my backpack being
> > heavier  :)
> >
>
> Sounds to me like you actually have no idea about OSX. Let me end with
> this. Once you use OSX coming from windows.. say maybe a 2 week learning
> curve, after a few months of use, you will be asking yourself, Why have I
> not done this sooner, and Wow, I knew Microsoft was not the best OS, but I
> really didn''t know it was that bad.
>
> I make those as promises to you. Feel free to let me know after a few
> months, if I was correct.
>
>
>
>  Greg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
>
> >
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On Jan 28, 11:36 am, "Greg Hauptmann"
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wrote:
> tks again Michael / askegg
>
> Hopefully last question - but can you quote a couple of specific example
why
> Mac O/S is better than Windows?  I know this is the general statement, but
> I''ve not really understood why it is better (besides the
malware/virus
> stuff).  Is there anything solid beyond this and useability?
>
> Tks
> almost converted Greg
Now that''s quite a big question....

For me it''s lot of little things, for example:
1) All I have to do to install a new application is drag it into the 
"Applications" folder.  That''s it, no more.  This had me
stumped when
I first switched :)
2) Sensible system preferences setting.  Easy to find anything you 
need to adjust.  Does not contain a maze of tabs and buttons to reach 
what you want and does not have setting you alomost never need.
3) Being able to drag applications onto the dock for easy access.  Add 
Overflow and/or Pathfinder and it''s unbeatable.
4) Fantastic looking and very readable screen fonts.  Every wallpaper 
looks great.
5) Nice animations when changing contexts.  When you minimise a screen 
it "genies" to the dock so you can see where it went.  Popups fold in 
to the screen, then disappear when you have acted.  The whole screen 
rotates like a cube when switching users.  Some people write these 
things off as eye candy, but I like it.
6) Based on BSD, so most OSS projects are available if you want to 
compile your own stuff.
7) Dashboard widgets - handy for notes, weather, stocks, sending sms.  
Easy to write your own (their mini websites).
8) Spotlight - now I can find any document/picture/email/mp3 on my 
system in a few keystrokes.  The next version will expand this feature 
to all my other macs as well - cool.
9) "Option H" to hide the current window - just gets it out of the 
way.
10) Expose - all my windows on the screen, or just the ones for the 
application I am using.  If there is a file on the desktop I need it 
is only a short F11 away.  eg.  F11 -> Pick up files from the desktop
-
> F11 -> drop them on my FTP program (Transmit) and their uploaded.  
OR drop them on a Transmit dashboard widget for that website!
11) Lots more....


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ok - I''m over the line.......on my way to get the macbook whilst the
10%
deal is still on.................  :)

thanks
Greg

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wrote:
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> On Jan 28, 11:36 am, "Greg Hauptmann"
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> wrote:
> > tks again Michael / askegg
> >
> > Hopefully last question - but can you quote a couple of specific
example
> why
> > Mac O/S is better than Windows?  I know this is the general statement,
> but
> > I''ve not really understood why it is better (besides the
malware/virus
> > stuff).  Is there anything solid beyond this and useability?
> >
> > Tks
> > almost converted Greg
>
> Now that''s quite a big question....
>
> For me it''s lot of little things, for example:
> 1) All I have to do to install a new application is drag it into the
> "Applications" folder.  That''s it, no more.  This had me
stumped when
> I first switched :)
> 2) Sensible system preferences setting.  Easy to find anything you
> need to adjust.  Does not contain a maze of tabs and buttons to reach
> what you want and does not have setting you alomost never need.
> 3) Being able to drag applications onto the dock for easy access.  Add
> Overflow and/or Pathfinder and it''s unbeatable.
> 4) Fantastic looking and very readable screen fonts.  Every wallpaper
> looks great.
> 5) Nice animations when changing contexts.  When you minimise a screen
> it "genies" to the dock so you can see where it went.  Popups
fold in
> to the screen, then disappear when you have acted.  The whole screen
> rotates like a cube when switching users.  Some people write these
> things off as eye candy, but I like it.
> 6) Based on BSD, so most OSS projects are available if you want to
> compile your own stuff.
> 7) Dashboard widgets - handy for notes, weather, stocks, sending sms.
> Easy to write your own (their mini websites).
> 8) Spotlight - now I can find any document/picture/email/mp3 on my
> system in a few keystrokes.  The next version will expand this feature
> to all my other macs as well - cool.
> 9) "Option H" to hide the current window - just gets it out of
the
> way.
> 10) Expose - all my windows on the screen, or just the ones for the
> application I am using.  If there is a file on the desktop I need it
> is only a short F11 away.  eg.  F11 -> Pick up files from the desktop -
> > F11 -> drop them on my FTP program (Transmit) and their uploaded.
> OR drop them on a Transmit dashboard widget for that website!
> 11) Lots more....
>
>
> >
>
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> ok - I''m over the line.......on my way to get the macbook whilst
the 10%
> deal is still on.................  :)
>
> thanks
> Greg
You will not regret it.

After you have soent a few weeks learning to live in the new 
environment, we would be interested in hearing *your* opinions.


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Hi guys,

Can I ask for some pointers re what development stack I should start setting
up for Rails development on the Mac. On windows I was using: InstantRails
(web based mysql interface), Ruby install, RadRails, Cywin, capistrano,
tortoise for SVN.  Here''s my guess so far for Mac:


   1. IDE => Textmate
   2. mysql web based interface =>  ????
   3. SVN client => ???
   4. telnet => use Mac command line interface ???
   5. easy FTP graphical interface =>  ????
   6. other ???


Thanks

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On Jan 29, 8:39 am, "Greg Hauptmann"
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> Hi guys,
>
> Can I ask for some pointers re what development stack I should start
setting
> up for Rails development on the Mac. On windows I was using: InstantRails
> (web based mysql interface), Ruby install, RadRails, Cywin, capistrano,
> tortoise for SVN.  Here''s my guess so far for Mac:
>
>    1. IDE => Textmate
>    2. mysql web based interface =>  ????
>    3. SVN client => ???
>    4. telnet => use Mac command line interface ???
>    5. easy FTP graphical interface =>  ????
>    6. other ???
>
> Thanks
Here''s mine:

1. IDE => Textmate (learn the keyboard shortcuts!)
2. Mysql web based interface =>  None, I use CocoaMySQL (http://
cocoamysql.sourceforge.net/)
3. SVN client => Command line, Textmate, or ZigZig (http://
www.zigzig.com/)
4. Telnet => iTerm (http://iterm.sourceforge.net/)
5. FTP  =>  Transmit (http://www.panic.com/transmit/); also does SFTP 
and SSH.
6  CSS - CSSEdit (http://www.macrabbit.com/cssedit/)

I have Rails installed "properly" (See Hive Logic for tips), but is 
you want an "out of the can solution" try Locomotive (http://
locomotive.raaum.org/)


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On 1/28/07, askegg <andrew.skegg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
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> On Jan 29, 8:39 am, "Greg Hauptmann"
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> wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > Can I ask for some pointers re what development stack I should start
> setting
> > up for Rails development on the Mac. On windows I was using:
> InstantRails
> > (web based mysql interface), Ruby install, RadRails, Cywin,
capistrano,
> > tortoise for SVN.  Here''s my guess so far for Mac:
> >
> >    1. IDE => Textmate
> >    2. mysql web based interface =>  ????
> >    3. SVN client => ???
> >    4. telnet => use Mac command line interface ???
> >    5. easy FTP graphical interface =>  ????
> >    6. other ???
> >
> > Thanks
>
> Here''s mine:
>
> 1. IDE => Textmate (learn the keyboard shortcuts!)
> 2. Mysql web based interface =>  None, I use CocoaMySQL (http://
> cocoamysql.sourceforge.net/)
> 3. SVN client => Command line, Textmate, or ZigZig (http://
> www.zigzig.com/)
> 4. Telnet => iTerm (http://iterm.sourceforge.net/)
> 5. FTP  =>  Transmit (http://www.panic.com/transmit/); also does SFTP
> and SSH.
> 6  CSS - CSSEdit (http://www.macrabbit.com/cssedit/)
>
> I have Rails installed "properly" (See Hive Logic for tips), but
is
> you want an "out of the can solution" try Locomotive (http://
> locomotive.raaum.org/)

1. vim
2. mysql
3. svn
4. ssh
5. scp
6. bash

;-)
jeremy

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> 1. vim
> 2. mysql
> 3. svn
> 4. ssh
> 5. scp
> 6. bash
> 
> ;-)
> jeremy
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Hi, GarageBand does audio and midi-recording.  For more about
GarageBand, I would recommend checking the following site:

http://www.apple.com/ilife/garageband/

Good luck,

-Conrad

On 1/27/07, devaulw
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wrote:
>
> Greg Hauptmann wrote:
> > 1 - How much HDD does all the normal web development s/w + Parallels
> > take
> > up?  That is so I can work out how much of a HDD upgrade I should go
for
> > if
> > I go the Mac?  (e.g. Ruby, RadRails, Dreamweaver, Photoshop,
Parallels)
>
> Development takes little space.  Photos, video, music are space eaters.
>
> > 2 - Are there any applications that come with the Mac that
you''d
> > normally
> > have to pay more $$ for on the PC platform that are worth it?  i.e. do
I
> > get
> > more effective value for money with the Mac here?  (in particular from
a
> > developer point of view)
>
> Be sure to get Parallels and you don''t have to choose.  If you
plan to
> use Parallels daily, get 2GB RAM.  Your machine will thank you.
>
> Included apps on my MacBook Pro were iDVD, iMovie, iPhoto and all are
> pretty good.  I also had ComicLife and a QuickBooks lite version (not
> trials).
>
> > 3 - As an aside as a muso, does GarageBand do Audio & Midi
recording?
> > Or
> > would I need to spend more money to get a Mac version of something
like
> > Cubase / Protools?
>
> I have no idea because I never use GarageBand.
>
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>
> >
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About Truecrypt

It is embeded in the Mac OS X system, it is called fileVault and it 
will encrypt all your user files on the fly. Also you have disk 
utility where you can create encrypted disk images and don''t forget 
that all your passwords are securely saved in your keychain.


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I have a similar, but slightly more informed issue...  I am also 
considering the powerbook 15, but unlike the folks above i have been 
doing all of my developing / system work on gentoo for years.  Before 
gentoo, it was slackware.  Before slackware...   hmmm..  i think 
commador 64.  I have never been into windows, and i never plan on 
using it.  what i am wondering, is whether buying a mac has a shot at 
turning me into a mac user.  I am planning on getting a mac yes..  
but, in the back of my mind, i am also planning on buying parallels 
and just running gentoo vm''s for all my devel.  maybe old habits die 
hard.  so, i pitch the question, is rails development that much better 
on a mac with textmate, than gentoo with vim.  given, i have never 
even sat down on a mac, never seen textmate.  but, i know linux and vi 
like the back of my hand.  is it really all that?





On Jan 28, 5:01 am, "Alain Ravet"
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wrote:
>   > He''s my main dilemma, after visiting shops yesterday:
>   > The Macbook is noticeably heaver than the Sony Vaio! 
(Editor''s
> note: 510g !!)
>   > I need a notebook I can carry around in my backpack on a daily
basis.
>   > Ummmm...................any ideas?
>
> Lose some weight.
> Buy a bigger backpack.
>
> Alain

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On 1/30/07, jason <jasonjackson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
>
>
> I have a similar, but slightly more informed issue...  I am also
> considering the powerbook 15, but unlike the folks above i have been
> doing all of my developing / system work on gentoo for years.  Before
> gentoo, it was slackware.  Before slackware...   hmmm..  i think
> commador 64.  I have never been into windows, and i never plan on
> using it.  what i am wondering, is whether buying a mac has a shot at
> turning me into a mac user.  I am planning on getting a mac yes..
> but, in the back of my mind, i am also planning on buying parallels
> and just running gentoo vm''s for all my devel.  maybe old habits
die
> hard.  so, i pitch the question, is rails development that much better
> on a mac with textmate, than gentoo with vim.  given, i have never
> even sat down on a mac, never seen textmate.  but, i know linux and vi
> like the back of my hand.  is it really all that?


Your talking about one aspect of an entire OS. It''s much more than just
one
text editor and one language. That alone seems to be a bit short-sighted.
Why don''t you go to an Apple store and play around?

I have been using BSD and Linux since 1997 and for years I didn''t even
use
Xwindows, I prefered my shell and console. That''s changed and now I
like
aesthetics when it comes to a GUI. Apple has the prettiest interface there
is and alot of it is based on gnome and kde, yes I know very tweaked. If
linux had a more pleasing GUI--mostly better font rendering--I don''t
know if
I would ever have bought a mac. To late, I am sold. I use linux for all my
servers and probably always will, but my workstation is a mac pro and my
lappie is a MacBook, and I am pretty attached to them. In short, do I think
you will be satisfied? Beyond a shadow of doubt I do, and you''ll
probably
wonder why you didn''t do it sooner.

To me OSX is just like FreeBSD (I know.. mach kernel) but without all the
time spent manually configuring everything and a beautiful desktop.




On Jan 28, 5:01 am, "Alain Ravet"
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> >   > He''s my main dilemma, after visiting shops yesterday:
> >   > The Macbook is noticeably heaver than the Sony Vaio! 
(Editor''s
> > note: 510g !!)
> >   > I need a notebook I can carry around in my backpack on a daily
> basis.
> >   > Ummmm...................any ideas?
> >
> > Lose some weight.
> > Buy a bigger backpack.
> >
> > Alain
>
>
> >
>

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Jeremy Kemper wrote:
> On 1/28/07, *askegg*
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> <mailto:andrew.skegg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>>
wrote:
> 
>     On Jan 29, 8:39 am, "Greg Hauptmann"
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>    
<mailto:greg.hauptmann.r...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>>
>     wrote:
>     > Hi guys,
>     >
>     > Can I ask for some pointers re what development stack I should
>     start setting
>     > up for Rails development on the Mac. On windows I was using:
>     InstantRails
>     > (web based mysql interface), Ruby install, RadRails, Cywin,
>     capistrano,
>     > tortoise for SVN.  Here''s my guess so far for Mac:
>     >
>     >    1. IDE => Textmate
>     >    2. mysql web based interface =>  ????
>     >    3. SVN client => ???
>     >    4. telnet => use Mac command line interface ???
>     >    5. easy FTP graphical interface =>  ????
>     >    6. other ???
>     >
>     > Thanks
> 
>     Here''s mine:
> 
>     1. IDE => Textmate (learn the keyboard shortcuts!)
>     2. Mysql web based interface =>  None, I use CocoaMySQL (http://
>     cocoamysql.sourceforge.net/ <http://cocoamysql.sourceforge.net/>)
>     3. SVN client => Command line, Textmate, or ZigZig (http://
>     www.zigzig.com/ <http://www.zigzig.com/>)
>     4. Telnet => iTerm ( http://iterm.sourceforge.net/)
>     5. FTP  =>  Transmit (http://www.panic.com/transmit/); also does
SFTP
>     and SSH.
>     6  CSS - CSSEdit ( http://www.macrabbit.com/cssedit/)
> 
>     I have Rails installed "properly" (See Hive Logic for tips),
but is
>     you want an "out of the can solution" try Locomotive (http://
>     locomotive.raaum.org/ <http://locomotive.raaum.org/>)
> 
> 
> 1. vim
> 2. mysql
> 3. svn
> 4. ssh
> 5. scp
> 6. bash
> 
> ;-)
> jeremy

1. emacs
2. mysql
3. svn
4. ssh
5. scp
6. bash, firefox, firebug

Why should I use a Mac with these tools? Stick with (K)Ubuntu or other
linux distro.

zsombor

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hey there

On Jan 26, 11:30 pm, "Greg Hauptmann"
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wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a dilemma!  I want to go to a very compact notebook for on-the-go
> rails coding, however after reviewing what''s available it seems
the *MacBook
> * is a real contender, but I''ve not been a Mac/Apple user before. 
Some
> advice would be great.
>
> *Re Hardware Choice
> *(a) *Sony Vaio* VGNTX47GPW - 11" screen, 1.25kg, bit smaller than
MacBook
>   ==> excellent BUT more expensive ~A$3600
I have the 17GPW - its an older version of what you''re looking at -
its a gorgeous machine and the weight and battery life are great. To
make it usable ive had to take windows off of it and put linux on,
however sony havent released all the innerworking of their machine to
the developer community, so somethings are difficult/fickle to get
working well enough to be ideal (suspend/hibernate primarily, but alls
the memory card slot). my lease is up on this in about 12 mths, at
which point unless sony get real and release details needed to get
linux working 100% on this machine, i''ll get the TX47 or (perhpas 67
by then) if not Im getting a Macbook Pro.
>
> (b) *Acer Travel Mate* - 12.1" screen, 1.5kg, mid-way in size between
> MacBook & Sony
>  ==> still a bit expensive ~A$2900
>
> (c) *MacBook* - A$2099, but very slightly bigger, *BUT 2.36kg!*
> **
>
> I really want something I can carry around everywhere with minimum of
> annoyance, so the 1.25kg 11" screen Sony would be great.  However
I''m not
> sure if it warrents paying TWICE the price of a MacBook.
>
> *Question 1* - MacBook users: How do you find the device from the point of
> view of weight and likelihood that you''d carry around with you, or
get sick
> of the weight and want to leave it at home?
>
> *Question 2* - Should I move to a Mac?.......from a Rails development
> perspective I assume it should fine.   I use RadRails / InstantRails /
> Firebug at the moment.
>
> *Question 3 *- Other windows applications/things I use, know off hand if
> they are covered on the Mac???
>
>    1. Ability to share directories and files with other Windows XP
>    computers on my network? (e.g. play MPEG2/MPEG4 movies)
>    2. Share iTunes songs between Mac and Windows PCs on my network
>    3. Adobe Photoshop
>    4. Dreamweaver
>    5. Truecrypt
>
> Any other advice that would sway me to become, or not become, a Mac user
for
> the first time?   :)
>
> Many thanks
> Greg

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