Rails - Jan 2007 - What's a good non-Apple OS for RoR developers' workstations?

We''re building a small team of dedicated Rails developers. Apple
support
is poor in our part of the world, which rules out one of the RoR
community favorites. Which OS would you recommend instead?

-Adam

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Either Windows or Linux - the tools you need to develop RoR apps will 
run on either :)

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Mick Sharpe wrote:
> Either Windows or Linux - the tools you need to develop RoR apps will 
> run on either :)
I''ve developed on Windows, and wouldn''t consider the
experience
particularly enjoyable :)

Linux was indeed better, but which flavor (i.e. distro) would you 
recommend?

-Adam

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Adam wrote:
> Mick Sharpe wrote:
>> Either Windows or Linux - the tools you need to develop RoR apps will 
>> run on either :)
> 
> I''ve developed on Windows, and wouldn''t consider the
experience
> particularly enjoyable :)
> 
> Linux was indeed better, but which flavor (i.e. distro) would you 
> recommend?
> 
> -Adam
I had a fairly easy time getting everything I needed running on Ubuntu, 
plus it''s by far the best Linux distro I''ve used.

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Adam wrote:
> Linux was indeed better, but which flavor (i.e. distro) would you 
> recommend?
Why not try for exapmle Ubuntu?

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Adam wrote:
> Linux was indeed better, but which flavor (i.e. distro) would you 
> recommend?
Are you TRYING to start a 200-message-long flamewar? ;)

Personally, I primarily use a Mac, but Kubuntu (KDE distribution of 
Ubuntu) is my favorite Linux desktop distribution and the one I use on 
my home Linux server. You have to apt-get a number of packages before 
you can get Rails working, but it''s well-documented on the Rails wiki 
and on a number of blogs.

Seriously, though, you can get Rails up and running on pretty much any 
Linux distribution without too much trouble. If you don''t already have
a
preference, your decision will probably end up being based on what kind 
of package manager you like, which desktop is the best, which 
distribution has the best support, and a number of other factors having 
nothing to do specifically with Ruby or Rails.

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Ok, so far it seems Ubuntu is the leading alternative for the Mac 
platform.

Won''t anyone suggest one of the BSDs? :-P

-Adam

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Adam wrote:
> We''re building a small team of dedicated Rails developers. Apple
support
> is poor in our part of the world, which rules out one of the RoR
> community favorites. Which OS would you recommend instead?
How about OS X?  :-)

Seriously if I was forced not to use OS X I''d be on Ubuntu, its pretty 
polished and supports Rails development very well.

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Ubuntu is great for Rails development. I use Ubuntu Edgy and really like it.
Try it out ...


On 1/17/07, Drew Olson
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wrote:
>
>
> Adam wrote:
> > Mick Sharpe wrote:
> >> Either Windows or Linux - the tools you need to develop RoR apps
will
> >> run on either :)
> >
> > I''ve developed on Windows, and wouldn''t consider the
experience
> > particularly enjoyable :)
> >
> > Linux was indeed better, but which flavor (i.e. distro) would you
> > recommend?
> >
> > -Adam
>
> I had a fairly easy time getting everything I needed running on Ubuntu,
> plus it''s by far the best Linux distro I''ve used.
>
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>
> >
>

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Chris Gernon wrote:
> Adam wrote:
> > Linux was indeed better, but which flavor (i.e. distro) would you
> > recommend?
>
> Are you TRYING to start a 200-message-long flamewar? ;)
>
it''s getting harder to start flamewars:

http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk/browse_frm/thread/f53f9b91ede4525a/#


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ive tried all three plattforms and still prefer linux, especially since
that''s what im deploying to.
i run Ubuntu Edgy (but I''d recommed not using Edgy - use 6.06
"Dapper" until
Edgy isn''t so well, ''edgy'')

ed


On 1/17/07, Adam
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wrote:
>
>
> Mick Sharpe wrote:
> > Either Windows or Linux - the tools you need to develop RoR apps will
> > run on either :)
>
> I''ve developed on Windows, and wouldn''t consider the
experience
> particularly enjoyable :)
>
> Linux was indeed better, but which flavor (i.e. distro) would you
> recommend?
>
> -Adam
>
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
>
> >
>

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On 1/17/07, Adam
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> Linux was indeed better, but which flavor (i.e. distro) would you
> recommend?
For development it just doesn''t matter that much.  Version numbers
aside, all Linux distros are 99% the same as far as their individual
software components.  For example they all have glibc, they all use
gcc, and they all boot up a Linux kernel.

There are differences however.  Do you want to deal with RPMs (RedHat
(Fedora), Suse, Mandriva) or deb packages (Debian, Ubuntu), or skip
the binary dependency madness altogether and just compile stuff from
source(LFS, Gentoo)?  Do you want bleeding edge new software(Mandriva,
Fedora), fairly modern software(Ubuntu, Gentoo, LFS) or ultra-stable,
slightly older software(Debian)?

KDE and Gnome will both run on any Linux distro.  Same goes for MySQL
and PostgreSQL, Apache, Lighttpd and Mongrel, and most any other
comparison you can think of.

Get a spool of CDs and a burner.  Download some ISOs and figure out
what you like best.  People will give you their opinion but then
that''s all it is, an opinion.  Form your own I say.

And don''t forget there is life beyond Linux.  I would definitely
choose Linux or a Mac over Windows for a desktop, but I would choose
FreeBSD over pretty much anything for a router.


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Thanks for all the replies.

Looks like Ubuntu is the clear winner here.

Regards,
-Adam


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Hi,

Of those guys who are using Linux for Ruby development in general: do
you know of any good text editor for Linux (preferable GTK, but
doesn''t really matter that much in the end) that supports folding?
I dual boot Mac OS and Ubuntu and while I generally like gedit on
Linux, it just doesn''t compare to TextMate. And the major thing I am
missing in gedit is folding.

Thanks,
Thomas


2007/1/18, Mark Haliday
<rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>:
>
> Adam wrote:
> > We''re building a small team of dedicated Rails developers.
Apple support
> > is poor in our part of the world, which rules out one of the RoR
> > community favorites. Which OS would you recommend instead?
>
> How about OS X?  :-)
>
> Seriously if I was forced not to use OS X I''d be on Ubuntu, its
pretty
> polished and supports Rails development very well.
>
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
>
> >
>
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http://rubyjedit.org/

On 1/17/07, Thomas Mueller
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wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Of those guys who are using Linux for Ruby development in general: do
> you know of any good text editor for Linux (preferable GTK, but
> doesn''t really matter that much in the end) that supports folding?
> I dual boot Mac OS and Ubuntu and while I generally like gedit on
> Linux, it just doesn''t compare to TextMate. And the major thing I
am
> missing in gedit is folding.
>
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
>
> 2007/1/18, Mark Haliday
<rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>:
> >
> > Adam wrote:
> > > We''re building a small team of dedicated Rails
developers. Apple
> support
> > > is poor in our part of the world, which rules out one of the RoR
> > > community favorites. Which OS would you recommend instead?
> >
> > How about OS X?  :-)
> >
> > Seriously if I was forced not to use OS X I''d be on Ubuntu,
its pretty
> > polished and supports Rails development very well.
> >
> > --
> > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>

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Thomas Mueller wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Of those guys who are using Linux for Ruby development in general: do
> you know of any good text editor for Linux (preferable GTK, but
> doesn''t really matter that much in the end) that supports folding?
gVim.

-Adam
> I dual boot Mac OS and Ubuntu and while I generally like gedit on
> Linux, it just doesn''t compare to TextMate. And the major thing I
am
> missing in gedit is folding.
> 
> Thanks,
> Thomas
> 
> 
> 2007/1/18, Mark Haliday
<rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>:

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You migt want to seach this list for previous posts on this subject, but
this works for me:

Fedora Core 6
Ruby 1.8.4 or 1.8.5
MySQL 5.0.x
gnome desktop
Radrails .0.7.1
Subversion

I found this  easy to maintain, ( I''m not a Linux guru, but, am still
required to maintain my own dev boxes).It''s more stable and faster than
WindowsXP. I will probably use this same basic setup when my current app
goes to beta.  There are other great platforms that people on this list are
using.  I seems to be more a matter of preference. You could even use RoR
from plasmacode on WindowsXp with tortoiseSVN and InstantRails.
Good Luck and happy coding
-Larry


On 1/17/07, Adam
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wrote:
>
>
> We''re building a small team of dedicated Rails developers. Apple
support
> I found this  easy to maintain, ( I''m not a Linux guru), and
faster than
> is poor in our part of the world, which rules out one of the RoR
> community favorites. Which OS would you recommend instead?
>
> -Adam
>
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
>
> >
>

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Greg Donald wrote:
> Do you want to deal with RPMs (RedHat
> (Fedora), Suse, Mandriva) or deb packages (Debian, Ubuntu), or skip
> the binary dependency madness altogether and just compile stuff from
> source(LFS, Gentoo)?
I had some good experience with .deb-based distros: Debian as server, 
Ubuntu for the desktop. My experience with RPMs has been... not so good 
:)

The only compelling RPM choice currently seems to be SuSE, but now 
there''s that commotion there about the deal with Microsoft, and SLED 
obviously not being free. The condition of Ubuntu is definitely 
preferable in that respect.

The only interesting alternative suggested in this and the other recent 
thread is Gentoo. I never realized it was used by non-ricers! ;-) 
(really, j/k)

Anyways some serious people seem to like it, and that''s enough to put
it
on my checklist for some future date.

WRT now, I''m probably going to go with KUbuntu (Dapper or Eft) because
I
already had some good experience with it, and also some of the team 
members are going to be introduced to Linux for the first time on this 
team, so we should go with the easiest Linux flavor.
> Do you want bleeding edge new software(Mandriva,
> Fedora), fairly modern software(Ubuntu, Gentoo, LFS) or ultra-stable,
> slightly older software(Debian)?
Actually I didn''t have any problems installing even the most recent 
software on Ubuntu. Granted, Mandriva might make it easier - each 
package management system can be oriented towards a different timeframe 
of maturity.

In any case, it seems a Ruby/Rails development station shouldn''t
require
installations of the very latest software. The only place where you 
might want bleeding edge is maybe the Ruby packages, and that commonly 
goes either through gems or just downloading .rb files, so the distro 
and its PM system doesn''t matter anyway.
> --
> Greg Donald
> http://destiney.com/
Thanks Greg,
-Adam

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The heavyweight option would be to to run Eclipse and use RadRails. Also
Kate (the KDE editor) is pretty nice. Another option is Scribes. It doesnt
have tabs but is a text mate like editor. There is always gvim :-)


On 1/17/07, Thomas Mueller
<thomasmueller76-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Of those guys who are using Linux for Ruby development in general: do
> you know of any good text editor for Linux (preferable GTK, but
> doesn''t really matter that much in the end) that supports folding?
> I dual boot Mac OS and Ubuntu and while I generally like gedit on
> Linux, it just doesn''t compare to TextMate. And the major thing I
am
> missing in gedit is folding.
>
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
>
> 2007/1/18, Mark Haliday
<rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org>:
> >
> > Adam wrote:
> > > We''re building a small team of dedicated Rails
developers. Apple
> support
> > > is poor in our part of the world, which rules out one of the RoR
> > > community favorites. Which OS would you recommend instead?
> >
> > How about OS X?  :-)
> >
> > Seriously if I was forced not to use OS X I''d be on Ubuntu,
its pretty
> > polished and supports Rails development very well.
> >
> > --
> > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
> >
> > >
> >
>
> >
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Adam ha scritto:
>
> Greg Donald wrote:
>
>> Do you want to deal with RPMs (RedHat
>> (Fedora), Suse, Mandriva) or deb packages (Debian, Ubuntu), or skip
>> the binary dependency madness altogether and just compile stuff from
>> source(LFS, Gentoo)?
>
> I had some good experience with .deb-based distros: Debian as server, 
> Ubuntu for the desktop. My experience with RPMs has been... not so 
> good :)
>
> The only compelling RPM choice currently seems to be SuSE, but now 
> there''s that commotion there about the deal with Microsoft, and
SLED
> obviously not being free. The condition of Ubuntu is definitely 
> preferable in that respect.
>
> The only interesting alternative suggested in this and the other 
> recent thread is Gentoo. I never realized it was used by non-ricers! 
> ;-) (really, j/k)
>
> Anyways some serious people seem to like it, and that''s enough to
put
> it on my checklist for some future date.
>
> WRT now, I''m probably going to go with KUbuntu (Dapper or Eft)
because
> I already had some good experience with it, and also some of the team 
> members are going to be introduced to Linux for the first time on this 
> team, so we should go with the easiest Linux flavor.
>
>> Do you want bleeding edge new software(Mandriva,
>> Fedora), fairly modern software(Ubuntu, Gentoo, LFS) or ultra-stable,
>> slightly older software(Debian)?
>
> Actually I didn''t have any problems installing even the most
recent
> software on Ubuntu. Granted, Mandriva might make it easier - each 
> package management system can be oriented towards a different 
> timeframe of maturity.
>
> In any case, it seems a Ruby/Rails development station shouldn''t 
> require installations of the very latest software. The only place 
> where you might want bleeding edge is maybe the Ruby packages, and 
> that commonly goes either through gems or just downloading .rb files, 
> so the distro and its PM system doesn''t matter anyway.
>
>> -- 
>> Greg Donald
>> http://destiney.com/
>
> Thanks Greg,
> -Adam
>
I''m developing RoR apps under:

- Fedora Core 6 32 bit (at office on Acer Aspire 9510 with 2Gb ram and 
Intel core duo processor 2 Ghz)
- Mandriva 2007 64 bit (at home on Acer Aspire 5030 with 1 Gb ram and 
AMD Turion 64 1.8 Ghz)

For RoR developments purpose the two workstations are very good, I never 
had problems (my surprise is that ruby and rails are running on 64 bit 
with mysql 5 64 bit very, very, very well)

ruby -version
ruby 1.8.5 (2006-08-25) [x86_64-linux-gnu]

rails --version
Rails 1.1.6

gem --version
0.9.0

Have fun with RoR !
Tex



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Prabhakar Chaganti wrote:
> The heavyweight option would be to to run Eclipse and use RadRails. Also
> Kate (the KDE editor) is pretty nice. Another option is Scribes. It 
> doesnt
> have tabs but is a text mate like editor. There is always gvim :-)
I used RadRails and various other Eclipse-based IDEs for a while.

Eclipse as a development platform seems to suffer from performance 
problems. Though it was running on a pretty powerful machine with more 
than enough resources, Eclipse froze up several times per day of 
development. I talked to other developers, working on different 
workstations. The also encountered those problems.

As for RadRails specifically, I don''t see how that huge and cumbersome 
Java development environment buys you much in return for performance 
problems. At the time I tried it, and appearantly to this day, it
didn''t
have code completion or any other intellisense or object browsing 
capablities. I couldn''t find a major feature that RadRails had and the 
much lighter GVim hadn''t. In fact, GVim had some of the missing code 
completion features that RadRails lacked (though they''re still far from
perfect).

Vim runs on all platforms I know. It actually runs well on Windows.
It''s
lean, fast, and very productive. The only downside I can see is the 
nearly vertical learning curve right at the beginning. But all in all, 
it seems a solid choice.

-Adam

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I had a bad time with ruby gems on Ubuntu.  The package manger didn''t
have Ruby 1.8.5 and the latest patches that I needed so I tried
installing from source.  The ruby install went seamlessly, but gems
would fail to run since it was looking for zlib libraries in the
default locations and Ubuntu had moved them.

I hope it gets ironed out because I like the OS.  I never had a problem
developing on XP, but I''d prefer to be on linux.


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I used KDevelop on Kubuntu and I like it.  It''s fast.  The thing is it 
doesn''t have autocomplete.  Does GVim have autocomplete?  Is GVim the 
same as Vim?

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donut donut wrote:
> I used KDevelop on Kubuntu and I like it.  It''s fast.  The thing
is it
> doesn''t have autocomplete.  Does GVim have autocomplete?  Is GVim
the
> same as Vim?
GVim is the GUI version of Vim. Basically the same, but of course more
flexible UI since you''re not bound to the console and its discontents.

Since version 7 (G)Vim has a powerful new feature called Omni Complete,
that enables the addition intellisense and code completion features with
VimScript.

The Ruby and particularly Rails'' omni completion support still needs a
lot of tuning. Rails poses a formidable challenge for any code
completion implementation, because of how dynamic it is (think
ActiveRecord with its reliance on database table structure and all the
methods generated dynamically through #method_missing etc. But (G)Vim
still offers one of the most sophisticated Rails'' development 
environments
currently, imho.

-Adam

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Adam wrote:
> I had some good experience with .deb-based distros: Debian as server,
> Ubuntu for the desktop. My experience with RPMs has been... not so good
> :)
I would never touch a distro that used RPMs :-)
> The only interesting alternative suggested in this and the other recent
> thread is Gentoo. I never realized it was used by non-ricers! ;-)
> (really, j/k)
There are plenty of sane smart people that use Gentoo on servers where
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Joe Cairns wrote:
> I had a bad time with ruby gems on Ubuntu.  The package manger
didn''t
> have Ruby 1.8.5 and the latest patches that I needed so I tried
> installing from source.  The ruby install went seamlessly, but gems
> would fail to run since it was looking for zlib libraries in the
> default locations and Ubuntu had moved them.
> 
> I hope it gets ironed out because I like the OS.  I never had a problem
> developing on XP, but I''d prefer to be on linux.
I had no problems installing rails on ubuntu Dapper Drake by following 
the method here: 
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1159106&postcount=4

I haven''t tried the latest ubuntu Edgy but other people running Edgy 
seem to have no problem using rails.

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