Hi Is there a good tutorial on Rails that can give some insight on using rails to do a billing system / use of multiple tables on one form. Regards Sandeep -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Sandeep Chandra wrote:> Hi > > Is there a good tutorial on Rails that can give some insight on using > rails to do a billing system / use of multiple tables on one form. > > Regards > > SandeepYes, there''s a great place called Google, I don''t know if you have heard of them before, but you can do searches and stuff... duh! Dude, don''t be lazy and start looking for it, there are plenty of good places out there and most of them can be found if you search for. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Thanks for pointing me where I had already been! But so far I haven''t had any luck. Most of them deal with simple stuff, not stuff that can be used to make real world web application(IMHO). Regards Sandeep -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Hey Sandeep, please take a look at the following as a starting point: http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/jfpaypal/index.html http://dev.subimage.com/projects/substruct Good luck, -Conrad On 1/14/07, Sandeep Chandra <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Thanks for pointing me where I had already been! But so far I haven''t > had any luck. Most of them deal with simple stuff, not stuff that can be > used to make real world web application(IMHO). > > Regards > > Sandeep > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Sandeep,
To get a good answer, you must first ask a good question
(and it must have merits).
Most people with the knowledge won''t bother to read an email titled :
"Good Tutorial".
-> ""Can''t this f@&$ guy google for ''rails
tutorial'' ""
> Is there a good tutorial on Rails that can give some insight on using
> rails to do a billing system / use of multiple tables on one form.
There are 2 subjets in your post, and your title has absolutely no
relations with any of them.
=> rewrite your questions, with the best title you can think of (NO:
not "free sex in your neighbourhood" !!)
Alain
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Sandeep Chandra wrote:> Thanks for pointing me where I had already been! But so far I haven''t > had any luck. Most of them deal with simple stuff, not stuff that can be > used to make real world web application(IMHO).Not sure I agree. There''s plenty of stuff like what you are talking about plus plugins that do it for you. Anyway, try: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=rails+tutorial+accounts&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Bill -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Please,let me know tutorials and books sites of ruby which are free On 1/14/07, devaulw <rails-mailing-list-ARtvInVfO7ksV2N9l4h3zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:> > Sandeep Chandra wrote: > > Thanks for pointing me where I had already been! But so far I haven''t > > had any luck. Most of them deal with simple stuff, not stuff that can be > > used to make real world web application(IMHO). > > Not sure I agree. There''s plenty of stuff like what you are talking > about plus plugins that do it for you. > > Anyway, try: > > http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=rails+tutorial+accounts&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 > > Bill > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > > >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Sandeep Chandra wrote:> Thanks for pointing me where I had already been! But so far I haven''t > had any luck. Most of them deal with simple stuff, not stuff that can be > used to make real world web application(IMHO). > > Regards > > SandeepHi Sandeep, I just wanted to say that I''ve had the same experience as you looking for non-simple number-crunching type applications written in Rails. I did find out by trying it that complex behind-the-scenes data manipulation is possible (and looks very similar to that on the desktop app I was trying to simulate). But I am having difficulty putting together a robust user interface based on bits and pieces of simpler examples that don''t all fit together easily. The promise of being able to build a system quickly does not hold up when there are no good examples of complex form handling and interactive data entry and validation. That said, one thing I found helpful was giving up on an exact simulation of a complex form and going with displaying one table at a time while giving the user a drill-down capability. For example, I can list a table of Borrowers and in each row have a Loans link, then on each loan row have a link for Payments. This is a different interface than the one I''m simulating but I can get equivalent functionality (and maybe even a more consistent design feel). I''m still working on getting a good reporting interface going, and on figuring out how to combine client-side and ajaxian techniques for field-by-field data entry validation. Shauna -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Now this is a subject that interests me. When I first looked at Rails, it was with a view to finding a convenient and practical way of developing a database application using open source software. I was looking for a suitable client that would give me flexible and easy to create form handling. I was aiming towards a linux server, probably running MySql, and had a specific application to develop. Not massive, but fairly taxing nonetheless. I had previously written a simple form of the app using MS Access, but was looking for a proper server based solution. One direction that started to look promising was to use Open Office Base as a client to a MySQL database. I started with a simple phone book app. The Base forms front end looked promising, and a I found the ability to use Base to connect to different databases (ie. access and MySql) provided a good method of migrating data between apps. However, I found trying to pull the forms together into an overall app became cumbersome and was going to require some detailed coding. Also, I couldnt get it to hang together as a stable app. Particularly where some clients were on Windows 98. When I started experimenting with Rails I was Very pleasantly surprised at how quickly I could get things up and running and how by using browser based clients, there were no stability problems. My biggest concern was - how would Rails hold up when I extended the application in terms of functionanality. I was developing a system for pulling together several functions including a booking system for equipment hire. Any fears I had about Rails becoming unwieldy or unstable have been totally dispelled. And as I get more to grips with it I find it simpler and simpler to provide the functionality I require. (I am also completely taken by Ruby as a programming language). Now to your specific point. I have created some fairly interesting forms to provide a neat user interaction. One of them presents a list of equipment down the page with a view of each day of the week across the page. Equipment can be booked by clicking in the cell at the day/equipment intersection. I use active updating to just refresh the individual cell, and the whole thing is incredibly stable and nice to use. At the top of the page, different categories or views of different orders can be selected and the page auto updates when the selections change. I have created a customer look up screen that lets me choose by radio buttons for A-Z on first name and last name. The page auto updates and by using paging on the result, updates instantly. On the page, I have also included a drop down select listing names of customers for all pages so that a selection can be made without having to page through multiple pages. So what is the point of this response you may ask?? 1. I get more and more excited about Rails all the time, continuing to add functionality to my current app is getting me close to a full office management system. 2. The drawback that I find is that every form has to be hand crafted and the scaffold forms, though useful for what they are intended are obviously too limited. 3. I believe that it should be possible to produce a forms creation solution, ultimately allowing drag and drop positioning and I am trying to move towards that approach. 4. As a first step, I have created quite a nice auto form layout that uses data to define the order of field display, length of field and type of field (including options for boolean fields to be Yes/No etc). 5. Master/Detail type forms require more consideration along with how some of the more complex forms fit the CRUD approach. 6. Another area that vexes me is the desire to include some fairly sophisticated process logic. For example, I use a standard menu system in a consistent header section at the top of each page. The menu only includes options relevant to the page and data state. eg. if deleting something is not allowed then no delete option is offered. Currently this uses lots of conditional statements, but clearly needs tidying up into helper methods. 7. I would be pretty emabarrassed to share my code since these forms were developed during my early Rails learning days and need serious tidying up, as to does the data and business logic. I often wonder just how many others are using Rails in an Intranet type of application. Your point about tutorials and examples IMHO is valid. The they all tend to describe a similar simple application. I think the area of how to develop forms with good user interaction is potentially quite a large area where a sharing of ideas could be very useful. Perhaps working towards some common ideas that could lead to developing some useful plugins. Even if we didnt come up with specific solutions, I think the sharing of ideas could lead towards improving approaches on how to present complex data based on multiple tables and manage process login etc. For example, I currently store my form layout data in the model. I then have a standard helper function that accesses this data when rendering the form. Now I am not sure this sort of info belongs in the model, and of course it would be better being table based. If there are others who are willing to share ideas and experiences in this aspect of Rails, I would be interested in contributing - perhaps there could be some useful stuff for the wiki. Tonypm --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. 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I quite like the way rails handles all the database stuff. I am impressed! I also quite like Ruby language. I think there should be some open source project that develops some sort of visual tool for rails. It should have controls like ASP.NET. Although I am not a web developer(I have just started developing web applications) I think most of the web developers spend too much time doing UI using HTML+css and few other things(which I am not aware of). As Tonypm pointed there is too much hand crafting required to get a decent solution and this is what (IMHO) Rails should also try to take to another level. Regards Sandeep -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
<...>> As Tonypm pointed there is too much hand crafting required to get a > decent solution and this is what (IMHO) Rails should also try to take to > another level.I''d argue, that only "hand crafting" will provide decent solution. Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Rimantas Liubertas wrote:> I''d argue, that only "hand crafting" will provide decent solution.That might not be true(IMHO) if Ruby wants to compete with ASP.NET Regards Sandeep -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Alain Ravet wrote:> Sandeep, > > To get a good answer, you must first ask a good question > (and it must have merits). > > Most people with the knowledge won''t bother to read an email titled : > "Good Tutorial". > > -> ""Can''t this f@&$ guy google for ''rails tutorial'' ""I don''t know who wrote this, but whoever wrote this should search google and if is able to find any good tutorial put the links. I have searched google and haven''t had any luck. The forums are for helping people and not take out your frustration!> > Is there a good tutorial on Rails that can give some insight on > using > > rails to do a billing system / use of multiple tables on one form. > > There are 2 subjets in your post, and your title has absolutely no > relations with any of them. > => rewrite your questions, with the best title you can think of (NO: > not "free sex in your neighbourhood" !!)I am not trying to write a help document here! So what I thought best at the time I wrote. And if you don''t like the title please keep your opinion to yourself. Thats best I could do without being rude. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I agree Alain, I thought it an innocent question, and I was rather taken aback by the strength of the dressing down received. It takes all sorts. Sandeep Chandra: I thought your question was perfectly acceptable, some people need to understand how to express whatever frustration they feel w/o becoming offensive good luck. sorry I can''t help, but I''m in the same situation as you, I''m looking for a good tutorial too! MM -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I didn''t write the quote in question, but if you type ''ruby rails tutorial'' in google, you get lots of good hits: http://wiki.rubyonrails.org/rails/pages/Tutorial http://www.digitalmediaminute.com/article/1816/top-ruby-on-rails-tutorials http://www.econsultant.com/web-developer/ruby-rails-tutorials/ and many more. I don''t want to put words in anybody''s mouth, but I think one prevailing sentiment is that if you can type almost the exact same question into Google, why not do that, then when you get stuck on a particular issue, bring it to the list. I hope these links get you unfrozen, and this is a helpful, friendly group. Like every other group, there is a kind of personality to this one and I would characterize it as: Lots of information on Google, go there first. Lots of information on the Wiki (first link, above), go there second. It''s open source, so if you don''t find what you need on the net, you can always turn to the code. Please don''t take this as a "dressing down." -sr athem wrote:> > > I agree Alain, I thought it an innocent question, and I was rather taken > aback by the strength of the dressing down received. > > It takes all sorts. > > Sandeep Chandra: > I thought your question was perfectly acceptable, some people need to > understand how to express whatever frustration they feel w/o becoming > offensive > good luck. sorry I can''t help, but I''m in the same situation as you, I''m > looking for a good tutorial too! > > > MM > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > > > >-- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-Rails--Good-tutorial-tf2992924.html#a8460097 Sent from the RubyOnRails Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
I agree with MereMortal. Sandeep didn''t just ask if there were good tutorials out there, he asked if there was a good tutorial on "a billing system / use of multiple tables on one form." And despite the number of Rails tutorials out there, in my opinion there isn''t a good one on that subject! It''s hard for a newcomer to know exactly what to look for, and it''s great to have a forum where others can suggest different approaches. Why not keep things friendly and enjoyable? Shauna -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
Sandeep, I found a tutorial that deals with multiple tables on one form. It''s actually a two-parter. The first article deals with creating the first child record at the same time the parent record is created, and the second article (which you get to via a link at the bottom of the first one) builds on that to deal with editing all the child records of a particular parent record. http://railsforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=717 HTH, Shauna -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rubyonrails-talk-unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---